Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Res Ipsa


Tell that to the passengers and crew on Air France 447. A modern aircraft that initially "went poof". They flew into a storm and vanished. No distress call or warning.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

Tell that to the passengers and crew on Air France 447. A modern aircraft that initially "went poof". They flew into a storm and vanished. No distress call or warning.

No storm here though, clear skies. Plus the 777 is an exceptional aircraft.

I am not suggesting something conspiratorial, more something extraordinary, because that is what these circumstances require. Either something very big, so as yet unexplained rapid catastrophic decompression, or a lot of little things and one core problem.

So in other words incredibly unfortunate circumstances where a tonne of # happened to go wrong at once.

CBS is reporting that there are names on the passenger manifest that match reported stolen passposrts...

MILAN -- Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirmed Saturday that names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight match passports reported stolen in Thailand.

The two people the passports belong to were not on the flight though (1) Italian who's passport was stolen over a year ago and (1) Austrian who was located at home... no information regarding who actually used the passports for the flight and no "apparent" link to terrorism, yet...

Link

reply to post by wisdomnotemotion


Here is a link to the original source of the video (from the beginning of the flight): LINK
And here is a link with the flight highlighted: LINK

In these original sources, the plane only turns red if the viewer hovers the mouse over it, and remains red if clicked on. If the flight is consistently red, even when not selected, it means the plane is 'squawking' one of three emergency codes:

1. 7500 - Aircraft hijacking
   
2. 7600 - Radio failure
   
3. 7700 - General emergency
   

The squawk code of any plane, emergency or not, can be viewed by selecting it. An example of a plane in an emergency situation can be viewed here: LINK

By selecting the second of the above links, you can check the plane's squawk code throughout its flight in the bottom right box of the sidebar. It squawks 2157 consistently throughout the flight, right up until the moment it disappears from the radar. No emergency squawk was made.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

Tell that to the passengers and crew on Air France 447. A modern aircraft that initially "went poof". They flew into a storm and vanished. No distress call or warning.

tell what? What storm did this current missing plane fly into? "went poof?" Didn't I say that was a possibility? Didn't I say aliens or Cheryl Ladd could have taken it?.......I'm not ruling anything out.

I know I probably am overplaying the fact that this plane is "missing" and not the logical obvious conclusion, but I am sick and tired of people in this Country ignoring "innocent until proven guilty" "alleged" meaning alleged and not guilty....The plane, as of my knowledge this very second is missing, they are not dead, no "lost souls"....I will treat it as missing.

SuperNintendoChalmers

onehuman
reply to post by wisdomnotemotion

 

If that is the case, someone must have known about that first distress signal or at least picked up on it you would think. Seems the plane got a good bit further before whatever happened to make it disappear. Maybe that is part of the key we arent hearing about yet. Someone on the ground knew there was a problem.

It also continues to climb at what appears a standard rate of acent. Oddly though, it did deviate from it's intended flight path.

Likewise there are three missing hours between loss of contact and Malaysia mobilising SAR. Which is beyond unusual.

Ground control in Malaysia, lost contact exactly 1.5 hours into the flight at a similar time as an SK jet, travelling on a similar initial heading. Both tried to contact the aircraft straight away and in fact relayed concerns and sought confirmations from all regional stations and planes in surrounding airspace and countries.

The three hour gap though that Malaysian authorities can't account for is what worries me.

Yeah, what this poster said...... and why are some of you saying "with certainty" that we know the plane has been destroyed, and only the cause is at question? What would you think if I said, "We all know the Vikings won the Superbowl the year after the Seahawks did" Would you say I am wrong? Well I am right, they did! Good luck with proving the negative. You people who said the plane has been destroyed and all lives lost are playing the odds....I don't care if they are 97% or 09%....they are odds and not a certainty........intellectual exercise?...maybe...but change your way of thinking or you won't be able to recognize the difference between 97% and 52%

How is it that they've only found an oil slick? If there was in fact a plane crash, wouldn't there be some debris floating around? I don't see how the whole plane could be missing still...

perhaps the plane was sucked into a spacetime vortex and was zapped elsewhere/when.

could happen.

reply to post by Res Ipsa


Ah,the perpetual optimist. A rare breed. I have serious doubts of an alien abduction scenario,with or without Cheryl Ladd. Might as well speculate the Red Flag exercise at Nellis has something to do with it. God knows when there is a training exercise,there is usually an incident. (Sarcasm. Not intending to suggest this as fact.)

If the plane nosed dived into the ocean from 35,000 feet..... there wouldn't be much wreckage to be found... it would literally disintegrate upon impact.......look at any large plane crash where she goes nose down from a great height..... the impact area is relatively small. Hitting water from anything past 120 feet is the same as hitting concrete. They had to be at terminal velocity at impact.


My guess is either a bomb, or pilot suicide. The area is too closely watched for a missile to have not been reported in the area.

jhn7537
How is it that they've only found an oil slick? If there was in fact a plane crash, wouldn't there be some debris floating around? I don't see how the whole plane could be missing still...

The slicks are consistent with a crash, but also with fuel dumping. No wreckage yet because it is still night time.

It is possible for primary radar to lose a flight and it land or crash somewhere else, but it would be a low probability?

The water isn't deep (60-80ft+), so by this time, either they haven't located the precise crash site, something cause extreme rapid decompression and debris is very fine, or it didn't crash into the ocean (unlikely but still possible).

This thread has moved so fast, I may have missed a few things.

Has anyone mentioned an EMP attack? And if it is even a possibility?

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

In the overall investigation it isn't yet. They don't even know where it is, let alone why it happened. People are already getting so locked in on these passports that even if it can be proven beyond any doubt it was a mechanical problem it will never be accepted.

Simply not true. Data and voice recorders will finalize it. If it is mechanical, then the passport issue should at least be discussed.

It's a very important angle for the time being. And like another poster stated surely work is ongoing to verify through airport surveillance who boarded the plane.

AccessDenied
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

Ah,the perpetual optimist. A rare breed. I have serious doubts of an alien abduction scenario,with or without Cheryl Ladd. Might as well speculate the Red Flag exercise at Nellis has something to do with it. God knows when there is a training exercise,there is usually an incident. (Sarcasm. Not intending to suggest this as fact.)

Is that what we call believing someone is innocent until proven guilty these days? a perpetual optimist?
Do you have a shred of evidence that proves the plane has been destroyed?
..........don't anyone dare think they are clever and respond with, Res ipsa loquitor.

Make me bet my assets and I would say they are gone, but that isn't a fact, that isn't the way we should train our minds to think.
I mean, think what you want, but saying that "you know" they are gone is simply ignorant....you don't know....but now that I have told you, that you don't know, and if you still choose to say you know....that isn't ignorance anymore...it is stupidity.

Millennium (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that is the reference I made about Cheryl Ladd...just in case anyone was curious.

so is this looking more and more likely to have been a hijacking gone wrong?

2 people with stolen passports not on the flight, who was instead? no contact from crew from a 5 minute drop from cruise altitude seems most likely it was hijacking.

not sure if this has been posted yet..

If just missing then it landed at a secret airport some where or is being refueled in air. Doubt that plane can be refueled in flight, assuming the plane that took off is the 777 stated. Not really looking good for a positive outcome.

Some of the comments the last few pages have made me shake my head. The plane has been missing 24 hours, and because we don't have all kinds of information there's a coverup.

These investigations take years to complete, and can go months with nothing new.

reply to post by SuperNintendoChalmers


The storm wasn't the point. AF447 was a modern aircraft, with all the electronics, GPS, etc, and it just dissappeared.

It happens, even in this day and age.

Synchronicity?

The movie "Non-Stop" starring Liam Neeson is now playing in theaters. In the movie, TWO hijackers have placed a bomb in the plane.

trailer:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by rayuki


Like the one in 1977

en.m.wikipedia.org...