Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

rockflier
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The only problem I see with the O2 passenger masks is that they are not fed from a common source or bottle. Each passenger section, make that row and side, has its own individual oxygen generator. There is no commonality in the supply system between row/side generators.

I still believe high altitude passenger compartment depressurization intentionally done to kill the passengers in their sleep.

If I read this correctly, the aircraft sends out a periodic signal without interrogation from the satellite. It is a one way communication if I read correctly.

rockflier
reply to post by Hmmmmmmm

 

The only problem I see with the O2 passenger masks is that they are not fed from a common source or bottle. Each passenger section, make that row and side, has its own individual oxygen generator. There is no commonality in the supply system between row/side generators.

They could disable the system though couldn't they?

It could explain why they took it to 45,000 feet, to knock out the passengers.

If they had 5 men and a bag of zip ties they could secure the passengers fairly quickly.

Those folks could well be alive still.

Im wondering if theres a hijacking to attack Ukraine or Russia? Im sure that idea was tossed up here....Have we went through the possibilities in depth?

reply to post by kosmicjack


The simulator he had at home is useless for practising maneuver skills. Flight simming is a hobby for many pilots. The idea that he used his home flight simulator to practise unusual maneuvers to hijack the plane isn't feasible. You might know what all the buttons do and when to use them and then moving straight to try to hand fly the actual thing won't work.

Practical skills are required which can be obtained from hours of experience as a pilot in command in a real jet or a full motion flight simulator. As said earlier, this captain had thousands of hours of pilot in command (PIC) experience and would therefore be useless for him to use a 777 simulator addon that was released in 2005 for Microsoft flight simulator 2004. I've tried this product and its fly-by-wire is flawed and not realistic. The PMDG 777 is the closest thing to the real aircraft that can be used for Microsoft flight simulator.

Hmmmmmmm

rockflier
reply to post by Hmmmmmmm

 

The only problem I see with the O2 passenger masks is that they are not fed from a common source or bottle. Each passenger section, make that row and side, has its own individual oxygen generator. There is no commonality in the supply system between row/side generators.

They could disable the system though couldn't they?

It could explain why they took it to 45,000 feet, to knock out the passengers.

If they had 5 men and a bag of zip ties they could secure the passengers fairly quickly.

Those folks could well be alive still.

There is no cockpit override for the auto deployment of the masks. At least up to and including the 757/767 aircraft. Once the cabin reaches 10,000 feet the masks deploy.

EDIT: 777, can you confirm this?

reply to post by rockflier


Isn't it reasonable to assume that if flight and cabin crew were involved, ground crew was also?

If they had one or two ground crew or maintenance workers could they have disabled the system prior to takeoff?

If the plane periodically sends a ping versus responding to a request then i would think all that can be known is that it is in range of the satellite.

That might explain the two opposite paths only. It was in range of one but did not come into range of a satellite receivers to the east or west. That would tend to mean it was moving perpendicular to the others so the line of travel is along a line perpendicular in either direction.

Ok so it seems that someone is not telling the truth, as far as I have read and airplanes path is followed by traffic control and obviously goes on a certain flight plan. Now to localize this it would be an airplane flying from Houston would be handed over from Houston to Beaumont the second it reaches Beaumont air space and so on and so forth. Internationally you have the same concept, so if a plane was to go of course it wouldn't just "disappear", it would venture into the control path of whatever area it happened to enter. So this flight was being monitored by someone and since it went off by so many miles then it appeared on a few countries traffic controllers. So one would have to ask whose countries traffic control did it get into before "disappearing".

reply to post by rockflier


Oxygen masks do not automatically deploy on the 777 below an altitude of 13,500 feet. However, they can be manually deployed through the overhead panel in the cockpit.

Hmmmmmmm
reply to post by rockflier

 

Isn't it reasonable to assume that if flight and cabin crew were involved, ground crew was also?

If they had one or two ground crew or maintenance workers could they have disabled the system prior to takeoff?

It was working when the took off which is why the know the last location it transmitted info back. I think ground crews are certainly involved on the receiving end wherever this plane landed.

Boeing777
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Oxygen masks do not automatically deploy on the 777 below an altitude of 13,500 feet. However, they can be manually deployed through the overhead panel in the cockpit.

Thanks 777! It has been a number of years now. I retired in 2008.

roadgravel
If the plane periodically sends a ping versus responding to a request then i would think all that can be known is that it is in range of the satellite.

That might explain the two opposite paths only. It was in range of one but did not come into range of a satellite receivers to the east or west. That would tend to mean it was moving perpendicular to the others so the line of travel is along a line perpendicular in either direction.

The force is strong with you. Makes a lot of sense to me.

I think this proves at least one thing. Our intelligence assets aren't as great as we've been led to believe. They might be able to image a pimple on someone's butt but they can't find a plane.

Restricted
I think this proves at least one thing. Our intelligence assets aren't as great as we've been led to believe. They might be able to image a pimple on someone's butt but they can't find a plane.

That or they are intentionally misleading to cover up where the plane actually is.

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You're welcome!

reply to post by Restricted

Someday, 5 years from now, it will be known all the data was there. But there is so much data to dig through it took 5 years to find it.

reply to post by chishuppu


Aircraft ID is essentially voluntary.

It's why the cartels are able to fly so many shipments into the USA undetected.

roadgravel
reply to post by Restricted

 

Someday, 5 years from now, it will be known all the data was there. But there is so much data to dig through it took 5 years to find it.

You're probably right.

Vasa Croe

Restricted
I think this proves at least one thing. Our intelligence assets aren't as great as we've been led to believe. They might be able to image a pimple on someone's butt but they can't find a plane.

That or they are intentionally misleading to cover up where the plane actually is.

The story morphs constantly, moreso than most. It does make one wonder.