Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Bigburgh


I once had a Gulfstream III go from Kunsan AB in Korea to Hawaii non-stop. Only the III couldn't go that far without refueling. Once they reached altitude they found a tail wind that topped out at 155 knots.

reply to post by Leonidas


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But i think it is a compelling piece of evidence, at this point at least. I think we all believe the data & voice recorders will be huge in solving what happened.

But either way, tickets purchased with stolen passports, unidentified passengers on the plane, is a big issue in this day and age. Especially if the plane falls out of the sky. No?

Any answer is a tragedy though. Everyone hoped for the safe return of this plane and its passengers. I pray that the victims did not suffer, and i pray for the families...it must be so hard to imagine what your loved one(s) must've gone through, its complete torture for them i bet.

Well we'll know for sure if the CIA had anything to do with it as soon as we hear word that they have found two passports floating on the surface of the water and completely undamaged and belonging to the boogieman group du jour.

All of these posts about the possibility of it going down intact seem to ignore the fact that if it were possible to make a safe water landing, they'd have been able to get a mayday signal out.

Bigburgh

AccessDenied

Zaphod58
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Either that or it shattered into small pieces that haven't been found yet.

If so wouldn't something..anything, be seen floating around those oil slicks? as for the stolen passports, I'm not going to entertain any ideas about that being an issue, because I'm sure there are many plane tickets bought with stolen/fake ID on a daily basis, and nothing like this comes of it.

Yes why is that..hard to believe that not even a seat cushion didn't break away...
Or are they being kind to families as of yet. By holding the info.
Depending on wind and currents. Debris could be anywhere from 35k ft.

Whoops Zaphod answered fast..I'll just sit and read now

edit on 8-3-2014 by Bigburgh because: (no reason given)

Well see that was my thought, that many people, luggage, wreckage, fuselage, good god something, should be seen. What causes a flight to go down fully intact without a word of distress?

reply to post by Zaphod58


Thanks for the response.

I was wondering about the odds that they could still be alive. I suppose if the plane was intact, it could have drifted underwater.

reply to post by AccessDenied


I will almost guarantee it wasn't intact at impact.

Another one for the more conspiracy minded:

my.news.yahoo.com...

UPDATE [10:04pm]: About 20 top management staff from semiconductor company Freescale Semiconductor were among 38 Malaysians onboard MAS flight MH370. The team comprising senior managers and managers were on their way to China to undergo a month-long course in Beijing. Full story here.

Freescale are one of the worlds first and leading semiconductor manufacturers. Specialising in industrial semiconductors and controllers, including those with military applications. Not only do they provide hardware to companies like Raetheon amongst others, but also have a history of partnership as part of DARPA/defence funded research. Freescale were bought out (in 2006) by a consortium that includes the Carlyle group (Bush sr. et al) and Blackstone.

Recently they developed this:

singularityhub.com...

Coming Soon to a Body Near You? World’s Smallest Chip to Be Swallowable

The Internet of Things is coming, but chips need to be more efficient, powerful—and even smaller than they are now. In all categories, Freescale Semiconductor is making waves. And their most recent contribution, the Kinetis KL02, is one of the smallest microcontrollers in the world.

It has been reported in the Taiwanese press that the last contact made with the flight, was actually an emergency call to the American forces stationed at U-Tapao, north of the flight path and gulf of Thailand.

www.chinatimes.com...

Likely this all amounts to nothing, even with recent reports that the US are concerned about and investigating the terrorist angle. 20 top management staff from a cutting edge US tech manufacturer, who develop and supply scifi industrial and military hardware all being on a flight heading to China, which suddenly disappears and whose last point of contact may have been with US forces, is probably more just tragic coincidence than evidence of something more unusual.

Honestly though, I hope there are survivors and my heart goes out to the families and friends who had loved ones on board.

Zaphod58
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I will almost guarantee it wasn't intact at impact.

Well, quite possibly given the known facts, whatever occurred began in the cockpit, can only speculate what.

If the plane had a catastrophic failure at altitude the fuselage - or more accurately sections of it - would hit the water at tremendous speed. It would have fallen seven miles prior to impact. Contrary to what some may think, hitting water at that speed is like striking concrete. The evidence available for discussion at this point does not indicate a controlled descent from altitude.

There may be the evidence many of you have speculated about: seat cushions, galley items etc. yet to be discovered. I stand to be corrected but I do not believe that the parameters of the of the search area have been established yet.

Tides, surface winds and currents can carry different materials distances from the impact area at different speeds and different directions. Not to mention that they likely landed some distance apart.

The evidence you speak of may well exist and has not been found yet.

reply to post by AccessDenied


The light debris, such as cushions and the like will float. But the wind can carry them far from where the slicks are.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bigburgh

 

I once had a Gulfstream III go from Kunsan AB in Korea to Hawaii non-stop. Only the III couldn't go that far without refueling. Once they reached altitude they found a tail wind that topped out at 155 knots.

That's why I brought I said that from 35k ft..
Debris had time to blow wayyy off.
Then there is the current of the sea. Debris could be miles and miles away from whatever is left in tact.
But at depth..its odd that insulation is not popping up with the fuel..

Another question..
I know this was in Vietnamese waters well south. But does it come close to the South China sea.
I can't find anything to back my thoughts. But did the Chinese have naval drills with their 2 boats in the area..
You know because they want to claim what's in their name. I won't elaborate more. But you can see how far ahead of being wrong I am on this.

Methinks Lost was a little predictive programming

reply to post by AccessDenied


It could have begun almost anywhere honestly.

reply to post by Bigburgh


May I suggest you take a look at google maps for this area. It will put the distance the Gulf of Thailand is from the Heart of the south China Sea into perspective and provide a decent overview of the flight path, the countries nearby and the distance traveled to final location.

Two Passports reported stolen..
www.irishtimes.com...

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I did look at the maps..the problem is CA Mau...is southern tip of Vietnam. It is reported the site is 140 miles south from there. That does not put in the middle of the gulf of Thailand. Where it makes sense to fly over the middle.. not bordering the South china sea.
I know your point...that's why I ways way wrong on my thought....

Gave ya a star for calling me out on a terrible thought process.


You know what...I'm on a tablet..going back and forth with maps and thread...I see what you mean.....Not Even Close!

Im sure this has been said - as its ATS - hoping its NOT a Korean Airline 007 flight like

incident, ca. 1983 event which further inflamed the cold war...

The Gulf of Thailand is quite shallow - no more than around 80 m deep. If it went down there should be fairly easy to find but South China sea is deeper if it made it that far.

drphilxr
Im sure this has been said - as its ATS - hoping its NOT a Korean Airline 007 flight like

incident, ca. 1983 event which further inflamed the cold war...

That's why I "was" jabbing at china. Considering they want control of all of it. Sea of japan, Some of the Philippines and more.....
But its wayyyy to early for this....

drphilxr
Im sure this has been said - as its ATS - hoping its NOT a Korean Airline 007 flight like

incident, ca. 1983 event which further inflamed the cold war...

I hope it isn't as well.

Just curious, what country do you think would want to shoot down a Malaysian Airlines 777 full primarily of Chinese nationals over the Gulf of Thailand? And to provoke what response?

Or to follow the KAL 007 example you cited, what would they have overflown to bring fighters up to intercept the flight?

The countries in the immediate area are Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand.