Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

I guess the news about the 2 persons with stolen passports onboard, combined with the loss of communication without an emergency signal all points to a terror act gone wrong.

Maybe the pilots decided it might be better to crash the plane instead of killing people somewhere... all speculation, but for sure something is fishy

Daughter2

Leonidas
reply to post by Daughter2

 

There are several possibilities that do not require a bomb.

What are these possibilities? I'm not being sarcastic - I really don't know.

If these disappear instantly from radar, wouldn't the only reasonable explanation be an explosion strong enough to instantly tear the entire plane apart? I don't think an open door or a moderate hole would do that?

you would be right. this, along with the fact that stolen passports and apparently identities are involved warrant at least raising an eyebrow.

reply to post by Boeing777


msm is starting to mention the possibility of terrorism...

Terrorism not ruled out in disappearance of Malaysia Airlines jet

Mikael Robertsson, cofounder of FlightRadar24, which tracks about 120,000 flights per day with 3,000 receivers around the world, said the last transmission it recorded from the flight was at 35,000 feet. While it’s possible the plane veered into an area too far away from receivers to track it, he said that was unlikely.

“In this case, we have quite good coverage,” he said. “We had a very good stable signal and it just disappeared …. I don’t want to speculate, but something very sudden happened.” FlightRadar representatives also said they believed the plane had lost radar contact about 40 minutes into the flight, not two hours as the airline said.

reply to post by Hendrick99


A bomb was always a possibility because of how sudden it was. However, there are also non-terror possibilities as well.

The stolen passports at this point is a data point but it's still far too early for more.

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Bigburgh

 

No worries! Sometimes I need coffee injections... not just a cup or too! hahahaha

(Slrrrrrp). Up to pot and a half.....HI!!!!! ( WAVING FREAKISHLY DORKY LIKE).

OK! Back on topic. Boeing777 mentioned that this craft sustained wing damage back in 2012.
However I I hope the repairs were done correctly.
But if let's say for example the wing was the cause in this tragic event.
It would not be the cause of the transponder going offline immediately.

There. I made the post stay on topic...
BATHRRRRROOOOOOM BREAK!!!!!!!!!

Leonidas

Cosmocow
reply to post by Leonidas

 

I know, bad choice of words. No matter the how it happened, the situation is not good.

However, how two confirmed passengers were not on the plane, is what i meant as not good news. No good news exists at this point, but to know people boarded with stolen passports is a scary tidbit of info.

And sadly, at this point, i hope for an accident and not purposeful act.

In the US alone, over 50,000 passports are stolen per year according to the state department. Just plain ole' criminals are usually the thieves apparently. They are used in smuggling and identity theft for the most part. By definition, Smugglers want to live just like everyone else on the plane.

While it could be evidence of something more nefarious, it could also be a red herring.

"Gone missing" and stolen are two very different issues. Gone missing could mean it's lots in a box in the attic or someone ran it thru the wash and it was destroyed and never noticed.

The real problem with this is how the manifest was changed. Wouldn't they need verification of some sort and not a phone call from some unidentified person claiming "hey I'm alive"? Wouldn't that take time to verify?

The wingtip repairs are unlikely to be a factor, the aircraft has been back in service and flying for around a year, any problems would have shown up earlier. We can probably also discount terrorists, someone would have claimed responsibility by now.

My gut tells me this aircraft has had an instantaneous, catastrophic structural failure or in flight breakup. The similarities to PA103, AI, UTA, TWA and the list goes on are unerringly similar.

reply to post by Zaphod58


but given the length of the flight, you can say they didn't run out of fuel unless they had a leak.

Too much attention on the stolen passports. Ten's of thousands of passports are stolen every year. In response to a doubter above, a smuggler most certainly would travel with the document, that is point of it.

I dont think people know how many passports go missing. In 2011, there were almost 300,000 missing passports in America alone. Over 50,000 definitely stolen. That is one country for one year. Period. Extrapolate that over the entire world. That doesnt even cover counterfeit passports.

There are several reasons expressed in this thread already that do not require a bomb to explain all the facts as they are presently known. A bomb remains one possibility on a list of causes.

Stolen passports are shockingly common in HUGE numbers.

reply to post by Bigburgh


Sure it could. Playing devils advocate here...

The wing repair finally fails, snapping a portion of the wing off. This immediately throws the plane into a roll. Being on autopilot, with no warning, the crew takes a second or two to realize they are in trouble, during which time the aircraft is under a lot of stress it's not designed for, leading to an inflight breakup. All so fast they couldn't get a warning out.

Or, the wing breaks, there's an explosion in the fuel tank leading to the plane blowing up.

Leonidas
Too much attention on the stolen passports. Ten's of thousands of passports are stolen every year. In response to a doubter above, a smuggler most certainly would travel with the document, that is point of it.

I dont think people know how many passports go missing. In 2011, there were almost 300,000 missing passports in America alone. Over 50,000 definitely stolen. That is one country for one year. Period. Extrapolate that over the entire world. That doesnt even cover counterfeit passports.

There are several reasons expressed in this thread already that do not require a bomb to explain all the facts as they are presently know. A bomb remains one possibility on a list of causes.

Stolen passports are shockingly common in HUGE numbers.

You didn't answer the last question.

reply to post by Bilk22


Sorry. Which question?

reply to post by NoTarSed


I won't speculate on other causes, but fuel didn't play a role.

Leonidas
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Sorry. Which question?

How did the manifest get changed so quickly? There would need to be verification that the person was indeed not on board. Some proffer of claim of identity. Not a phone call from someone saying they're alive.

reply to post by Leonidas


How can too much attention be given to passengers boarding with fake credentials? Then said boarded plane disappears from radar at 30,000+!!!

To not investigate who actually boarded the plane, since that is one thing you can at this point, is nonsensical.

Has There been Any reports of other aircrafts or radar glitches in The area? When I saw these news I immediately thought of a mid-air crash.. Maybe with something unidentified. (Just a feeling)

reply to post by Cosmocow


No, but focusing too much on the passports can lead to other clues being missed.

They're an important data point of course, but let's not immediately jump to a bomb because of it.

Bilk22

Leonidas
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Sorry. Which question?

How did the manifest get changed so quickly? There would need to be verification that the person was indeed not on board. Some proffer of claim of identity. Not a phone call from someone saying they're alive.

You answered your own question. Verification of the people being alive, by definition, means the person that boarded the plane with that passport - previously reported stolen - is not them.

Hence, an update to manifest.

reply to post by darkspace


Nothing else reported.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Hendrick99

 

A bomb was always a possibility because of how sudden it was. However, there are also non-terror possibilities as well.

The stolen passports at this point is a data point but it's still far too early for more.

Luigi Maraldo and one other had their passports stolen in 2013.
Let's start with Luigi. The Italian security is very strict when it comes to such issues of stolen passports.
I can not think of a reason this passport was cancelled immediately.
Other than perhaps when this person boarded this flight with Luigi's passport it was not scanned properly.

And as far as the other passport that was stolen..the same..
Identity from that part of the world is bad..
So it may be just that as of yet.

I pointed out that wings don't cause a transponder to go out immediately...something big happened..
What that is as of yet..I don't know.
But this thread is now moving faster than I can post and read the page I was on.

See I posted and now 3 pages later. It comes up.