Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Sorry. Which question?

How did the manifest get changed so quickly? There would need to be verification that the person was indeed not on board. Some proffer of claim of identity. Not a phone call from someone saying they're alive.

You answered your own question. Verification of the people being alive, by definition, means the person that boarded the plane with that passport - previously reported stolen - is not them.

Hence, an update to manifest.

Is it not possible for someone with nefarious intent claim their passport stolen when indeed it was not stolen? Also isn't there a database of stolen passports to prevent them being used by others to board craft and used to access secure places? I'm not on board with the idea they'd just take someone's call as proof of anything, in a case like this.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Agreed. I've never mentioned bomb. I just want to know, if two people did indeed board with fake credentials, then who actually boarded? I 've never heard of such a scenario in a plane crash before, have you?

Its not like you can investigate the plane now, so you investigate what you can. And I'd start with these 2 individuals. The faster you prove/disprove this part of the story, the better...

Cosmocow
reply to post by Leonidas

 

How can too much attention be given to passengers boarding with fake credentials? Then said boarded plane disappears from radar at 30,000+!!!

To not investigate who actually boarded the plane, since that is one thing you can at this point, is nonsensical.

Investigate those two people, sure. People are reacting to stolen passports like it is a rare occurrence are unaware at the vast number of stolen passports out there.

Since the area of the ocean where the plane has gone down is not very deep it is reasonable to expect that the FDR/CVR will be recovered that will provide evidence or proof of the actual events.

Besides, if you are resigned to dying on the plane why hide your identity?

Smugglers wish to live, live free of incarceration, hence the stolen document.

This is very likely a red herring.

There are real, much more likely causes of this type of air accident than a bomb on board. Not that a bomb is impossible.

A number of things can go wrong as has been covered in this thread more than once.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bigburgh

 

Sure it could. Playing devils advocate here...

The wing repair finally fails, snapping a portion of the wing off. This immediately throws the plane into a roll. Being on autopilot, with no warning, the crew takes a second or two to realize they are in trouble, during which time the aircraft is under a lot of stress it's not designed for, leading to an inflight breakup. All so fast they couldn't get a warning out.

Or, the wing breaks, there's an explosion in the fuel tank leading to the plane blowing up.

OK I see.
Goodness sake you got imaginative just then!

reply to post by Cosmocow


There have been a few in the past, but it's very rare.

You're absolutely right. The quicker you can solve that the better.

opethPA

Biigs
Its hard not to "get the feeling" its all going to kick off big time, soon.

You do know that planes have crashed since day 1 right?
The will continue to crash at a much smaller rate then just about any other form of mass transportation.

I hope for the sake of anyone on the plane that it has not crashed but if it did, based on the info presented , a much more likely scenario is it suffered some mechanical or human failure vs IllumiNSAMasons blowing it up to start the NWO.

edit on 2014pAmerica/Chicago3107ppm by opethPA because: fixing errors

Oh. don't go spoiling their fun. They live for this stuff!

Without conspiracies the world would cease spinning.

Bilk22

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Sorry. Which question?

How did the manifest get changed so quickly? There would need to be verification that the person was indeed not on board. Some proffer of claim of identity. Not a phone call from someone saying they're alive.

You answered your own question. Verification of the people being alive, by definition, means the person that boarded the plane with that passport - previously reported stolen - is not them.

Hence, an update to manifest.

Is it not possible for someone with nefarious intent claim their passport stolen when indeed it was not stolen? Also isn't there a database of stolen passports to prevent them being used by others to board craft and used to access secure places? I'm not on board with the idea they'd just take someone's call as proof of anything, in a case like this.

This is straying off topic so this is my last thoughts on that, but feel free to pursue any avenue you feel likely.

The overwhelming huge number of stolen passports out there prove that your assertion they are all on every database out there precluding their use is false.

I dont know how many people who took bombs on planes used their own passport or someone else's passport, so the status of those passports does not mean that the users of them did so to explode the plane.

Stolen passport does not equal terrorist.

Leonidas
I dont think people know how many passports go missing. In 2011, there were almost 300,000 missing passports in America alone. Over 50,000 definitely stolen. That is one country for one year. Period. Extrapolate that over the entire world. That doesnt even cover counterfeit passports....

Stolen passports are shockingly common in HUGE numbers.

Could you please provide an official link for that because what I'm getting is a HUGE statistics discrepancy on my end.Thanks.

reply to post by Leonidas


What if the person with the fake passport was worried if he used his real credentials he may have been on some sort of list? The fake passport would be his cover to get on the plane. Correct?

You make some great points too. But my gut feeling right now is about these two unknown individuals who boarded the doomed plane.

I'll ask for a third time now...has anyone ever heard of this before in a plane crash? That two of the passengers are now unknown and boarded with fake credentials?

reply to post by Cosmocow


I don't remember which ones off the top of my head, but yes, there have been a few with victims that travelled with false documents.

reject

Leonidas
I dont think people know how many passports go missing. In 2011, there were almost 300,000 missing passports in America alone. Over 50,000 definitely stolen. That is one country for one year. Period. Extrapolate that over the entire world. That doesnt even cover counterfeit passports....

Stolen passports are shockingly common in HUGE numbers.

Could you please provide an official link for that because what I'm getting is a HUGE statistics discrepancy on my end.

Thanks.

Happily.

US Embassy in Uk report on passports lost and stolen in 2010/2011:

-253,000 lost
-60,983 stolen

One country.

One year.


www.usembassy.org.uk...

reply to post by mwood


A headline on Drudge Report today showed a quote by the Guardian newspaper that said,

"It is Essential to Be Paranoid."

I totally agree. I question everything that happens. There are so many puppet masters, so many false flags and so much corruption.

Life is now a massive chess game and you have to question every move. I don't think that makes us drama queens, I just think it shows that we're aware. No, not everything is a conspiracy but you have to work from the standpoint that it could be and then decide differently if its not.

Question everything.

reply to post by MRuss


Being skeptical is one thing, being afraid of your own shadow is something altogether different.

The recent trend to quickly tag any tragedy as a "false-flag attack" shows a lack of research and honest deliberation on people's part.

FOUND~ abclocal.go.com...

"KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - March 8, 2014 (WPVI) -- Vietnamese air force planes have spotted two large oil slicks that authorities suspect are from a Malaysian jetliner that went missing early Saturday.

The air force planes were part of a multinational search operation launched after Flight MH370 fell off radar screens less than an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing early Saturday morning.
The oil slicks were spotted late Saturday off the southern tip of Vietnam and were each between 10 kilometers (6 miles) and 15 kilometers (9 miles) long, the Vietnamese government said in a statement. There was no confirmation that the slicks were related to the missing plane, but the statement said they were consistent with the kinds that would be produced by the two fuel tanks of a crashed jetliner."

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas

Bilk22

Leonidas
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Sorry. Which question?

How did the manifest get changed so quickly? There would need to be verification that the person was indeed not on board. Some proffer of claim of identity. Not a phone call from someone saying they're alive.

You answered your own question. Verification of the people being alive, by definition, means the person that boarded the plane with that passport - previously reported stolen - is not them.

Hence, an update to manifest.

Is it not possible for someone with nefarious intent claim their passport stolen when indeed it was not stolen? Also isn't there a database of stolen passports to prevent them being used by others to board craft and used to access secure places? I'm not on board with the idea they'd just take someone's call as proof of anything, in a case like this.

This is straying off topic so this is my last thoughts on that, but feel free to pursue any avenue you feel likely.

The overwhelming huge number of stolen passports out there prove that your assertion they are all on every database out there precluding their use is false.

I dont know how many people who took bombs on planes used their own passport or someone else's passport, so the status of those passports does not mean that the users of them did so to explode the plane.

Stolen passport does not equal terrorist.

Again, I didn't question passports were stolen. I question how and why the manifest was changed so quickly. But thanks for your quick and calculated responses. Now if I could only get one to the question on the manifest.

reply to post by Bilk22


It's possible that they went to the embassy where they were and had their identity verified that way as well.

Foreign ministry officials in Italy and Austria said the names of two nationals from those countries listed on the flight's manifest matched passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Oil slick spotted in search for jetliner

This is definitely not a good sign that passengers were on board with stolen passports...
It's starting to lend credence to the possibility of an attack.

reply to post by Bilk22


If you look up above I did answer that question specifically in a reply to you, directly.

I know the this thread is moving fast, so that can happen.

reply to post by Leonidas


But you have to start somewhere.

Starting from the assumption that we live in a corrupt and declining society is a realistic one.

Just ask Edward Snowden.

He wasn't paranoid.

Turns out, he was right.

Leonidas
reply to post by Bilk22

 

If you look up above I did answer that question specifically in a reply to you, directly.

I know the this thread is moving fast, so that can happen.

It seems that the Italian and Australian ministers offered verification of the stolen passports. Then there's this from this link.

China Southern, who jointly shared the route with Malaysian Airlines in what is termed in the industry a 'code share', said in a statement it had sold tickets to one Austrian and one Italian

I guess the passports and the loss of the plane cannot be separated at this point in time.