Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

Russia is a member of the IMF so you cans really stop tying to use that failed comparison as it does not support the claims you try and make.

Do you support the new President of Ukraine?
If not why?
If its corruption, then what's the difference in Yanukovych and the new President?

Also do you guys ever get tired of making blanket accusations?

corruption.. all members of Ukraine's government at all levels are corrupt.
All members of Ukraine's government are Neo Nazi fascists.

Yet time and again when asked you guys fail to support your accusations.

Condemning a person for something while ignoring a person you like for doing the same is indicative of Stalinesque mindset.

I guess you become a billionaire and oligarch with a hard and honest work.

Of course he was corrupted and he invested in corruption but
since being a man with money able to corrupt system he avoided Yulia's faith ans jail.

A year later, a public falling out with then-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, forced him to resign. Poroshenko was accused of corruption, defending the interests of Viktor Pinchuk, who had acquired a state firm for $80m that was independently valued at $1bn. However, state prosecutors dismissed an abuse of power investigation against him in a month.

So in your world view no one becomes rich unless they steal ? Wow sounds like the Soviet Union all over again communist philosophy at its best. Also funny you would mention Vicktor Pinchuk since he was in Putins back pocket got to love the Russian way of doing business. He set up illegal deals through Gazprom from his company nterpipe Corporation. See most of the corruption in Ukraine has to do with doing business with Russia. But in Russia corruption is the norm bribes are just considered part of doing business in Russia. Than of course there protection money paid to politicians and police as well. Lord help you if you need a business permit that requires bribing alot of people.

The best thing that could happen to Ukraine is to stop having to do business with Russia because in the EU theyll find it works alot differently.Now the 80 million deal you conveniently left out who set that up didnt you? Who was president in Ukraine at the time oh and who was recieving bribes by Putin and funneling money into a private account again?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Xcathdra

Has anyone heard from Aysen? He ok?

He was logged in today, not to long ago.

Other than that I don't know.

Thanks for the info.. I hope he and his family are ok.

a reply to: dragonridr

Yeah....



The arguments being made against Ukraine are so hypocritical its not even funny. The US must but out but its ok for Russia to but in.

Ukraine must stop using its military against heavily armed separatists yet the separatists are just fine with what they are doing.

sending military units from Russia into Ukraine is not an invasion yet Ukraine sending its military to the south and east is a no no.

guys reading your rhetoric is hurting my head lets get back to updates in regards to latest events.

#DONETSK #StatusUpdate @Catherina_News @A_J_S_B - Beware of Disinfo - Here is some information, not confirmed, but appears to be valid:

"As of beginning of May 27th, the situation in Novorussia and around is as follows.

Briefly: rumours circulating through the evening, regarding:

1) Fall of Mariupol;

2) Withdrawal of DPR from Donetsk;

3) Massive losses among DPR militia in Donetsk;

4) Massive losses among DPR militia in Slaviansk:

and including rumours that have been retranslated by Russian media - are ALL DISINFORMATION circulated by the Junta.

In reality, despite active fighting, there were no "35 dead militia blown up in a truck", nor "a declaration that Pushilin has betrayed DPR and subject to summary execution."

[As an aside from me, two other independent reports suggests either 4 or 2 dead in a truck accident, so 35 does appear to be way overblown + usually wounded/dead is 3/1 ratio]

NONE OF THESE RUMOURS ARE TRUE.

The number of dead in Donetsk as a result of the battle for control of the train station and the airport does not exceed several people. Unfortunately, they are mostly civilians.

DPR forces have localized and isolated saboteur forces. All fighting ceased early morning.

The same is true for Mariupol, where NazGuard's attempts to storm DPR HQ were repelled.

In Slaviansk, according to information we have received, Junta forces are shelling civilian quarters - hence deaths among civilians.

We are continuing to watch the situation closely."

a reply to: cosmonova

yeah because Russian rhetoric and propaganda are so much more better.

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 11m
“#Donetsk police is helping terrorists by arranging travel corridors for them”, says a journo euromaidanpr.com... … pic.twitter.com/MMRzibA2QU

As a side note and off topic reports are coming in that a Chinese vessel has engaged and sunk a Vietnamese vessel. No other info as of yet.

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 27m
According to military officials the rebels occupying Donetsk Int Airport have been almost completely destroyed www.facebook.com... … |EMPR

RT ‏@RT_com · 38m
Self-proclaimed People’s Republic of #Donetsk announces emergency mobilization of all medical personal on.rt.com...

Russia should mind its own business -

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#Russia wants #Ukraine to stop anti-terror operation, asks #OSCE to send monitors to Eastern Ukraine censor.net.ua... … |EMPR News

a reply to: cosmonova

Oh we choose to ignore inconvenient truths i see well ill help you out. Its all the fault of those gay nazi juntas in Kiev. There plotting to take over the world even thought they received less than 2 percent of the vote in the latest election. Oh those facts just keep popping up inconveniently. Heres some news on the election.


Ukrainians make a liar out of Putin
Elections reveal the far right is dead in Ukraine. The European Union is a different story.

Election results are in and it turns out Vladimir Putin was right all along: The far right is on the rise, enjoying support and electoral success it hasn’t seen in decades.

The Russian president did get one detail wrong, however. It’s in Ukraine where he’s been warning a fascist takeover is imminent, using the supposed threat to justify invading and annexing Crimea following a pro-European revolution that toppled his ally, Viktor Yanukovych, in February. Russian media still overflows with news of the menace posed by right-wing and anti-Semitic extremists hell-bent on crushing the democratic rights of ethnic Russian Ukrainians. Such messaging forms the backdrop to Russia’s continuing, if unacknowledged, intervention in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are waging a low-level insurrection against the central government in Kyiv.

Ukrainian voters have also rejected the real right wing in their country. Dmitry Yarosh, head of the supposedly rampaging Right Sector, earned about one per cent of the vote, as did the Svoboda (Freedom) party’s candidate, Oleg Tyagnibok, according to exit polls.
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Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 1h
May 26: Russian army near #Ukraine border: Belarus, Russia, Crimea, Transnistria www.hromadske.tv... … |EMPR News pic.twitter.com/bFMxuQ7R2v

a reply to: dragonridr

You missed Putins memo where he stated the reason for their intervention in Ukraine was because of NATO.

Apparently its everyone else's fault Russia invaded.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: cosmonova

Oh we choose to ignore inconvenient truths i see well ill help you out. Its all the fault of those gay nazi juntas in Kiev. There plotting to take over the world even thought they received less than 2 percent of the vote in the latest election. Oh those facts just keep popping up inconveniently. Heres some news on the election.


Ukrainians make a liar out of Putin
Elections reveal the far right is dead in Ukraine. The European Union is a different story.

Election results are in and it turns out Vladimir Putin was right all along: The far right is on the rise, enjoying support and electoral success it hasn’t seen in decades.

The Russian president did get one detail wrong, however. It’s in Ukraine where he’s been warning a fascist takeover is imminent, using the supposed threat to justify invading and annexing Crimea following a pro-European revolution that toppled his ally, Viktor Yanukovych, in February. Russian media still overflows with news of the menace posed by right-wing and anti-Semitic extremists hell-bent on crushing the democratic rights of ethnic Russian Ukrainians. Such messaging forms the backdrop to Russia’s continuing, if unacknowledged, intervention in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are waging a low-level insurrection against the central government in Kyiv.

Ukrainian voters have also rejected the real right wing in their country. Dmitry Yarosh, head of the supposedly rampaging Right Sector, earned about one per cent of the vote, as did the Svoboda (Freedom) party’s candidate, Oleg Tyagnibok, according to exit polls.

Inconvenient truth?
All I can read here is your wishful thinking which is far from truth.

And to make statement like this, lol

The best thing that could happen to Ukraine is to stop having to do business with Russia because in the EU theyll find it works alot differently.

1/3 of Ukrainian exports go to Russia.

What I am suggesting is to post updates to current events instead of nonsense like this.

a reply to: cosmonova

I wonder what Ukraine exports to Russia............I bet it has something to do with weapons and weapon systems. Russia when it failed made terrible choices and you reap what you sow. They should have moved all sensitive production inside the borders.


The best thing Russia could do now is quietly go away. Crimea is going to cost a ton of money to set right.


Also is seems we have already lost about 90% of the pro-russia posters already...........Hmm I guess they did not like ATS.

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: cosmonova

Oh we choose to ignore inconvenient truths i see well ill help you out. Its all the fault of those gay nazi juntas in Kiev. There plotting to take over the world even thought they received less than 2 percent of the vote in the latest election. Oh those facts just keep popping up inconveniently. Heres some news on the election.


Ukrainians make a liar out of Putin
Elections reveal the far right is dead in Ukraine. The European Union is a different story.

Election results are in and it turns out Vladimir Putin was right all along: The far right is on the rise, enjoying support and electoral success it hasn’t seen in decades.

The Russian president did get one detail wrong, however. It’s in Ukraine where he’s been warning a fascist takeover is imminent, using the supposed threat to justify invading and annexing Crimea following a pro-European revolution that toppled his ally, Viktor Yanukovych, in February. Russian media still overflows with news of the menace posed by right-wing and anti-Semitic extremists hell-bent on crushing the democratic rights of ethnic Russian Ukrainians. Such messaging forms the backdrop to Russia’s continuing, if unacknowledged, intervention in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are waging a low-level insurrection against the central government in Kyiv.

Ukrainian voters have also rejected the real right wing in their country. Dmitry Yarosh, head of the supposedly rampaging Right Sector, earned about one per cent of the vote, as did the Svoboda (Freedom) party’s candidate, Oleg Tyagnibok, according to exit polls.

Inconvenient truth?
All I can read here is your wishful thinking which is far from truth.

And to make statement like this, lol

The best thing that could happen to Ukraine is to stop having to do business with Russia because in the EU theyll find it works alot differently.

1/3 of Ukrainian exports go to Russia.

What I am suggesting is to post updates to current events instead of nonsense like this.

And you actually believe thats going to continue after all Putin did to Ukraine? It will be replaced with exports to the EU.The EU just removed tariffs on Ukraine meaning they can make a serious profit. And since Gazprom is doing a turn around on shutting off the gas to Europe Ukraine can even make money on the pipeline to Europe. Economically it only makes sense for Ukraine to turn away from Russia all thanks to Putins policy of invading his neighbors. Than there is the new round of sanctions the EU is placing again including caviar and of course Russian gas.I think it was this that changed Putins mind to at least claiming he supports the elections.

EXCLUSIVE-EU weighs Russia sanctions from caviar to oil and gas
Fri May 23, 2014 4:59pm BST
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* Toughest version of EU sanctions on Russia sees ban on oil and gas imports

* Softer version includes restrictions on caviar, vodka, furs, diamonds

* EU leaders to discuss Ukraine election and Russia at summit on May 27

BRUSSELS, May 23 (Reuters) - EU leaders will hold their first detailed discussion next week of specific steps they can take against Russia if Ukraine's elections are not free and fair, including restrictions ranging from luxury goods imports to an oil and gas ban.

A two-page document setting out three scenarios - low-intensity, medium-intensity and high-intensity sanctions - was circulated to member states last month and will form a basis of discussion at a leaders' summit on May 27.

uk.reuters.com...

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: cosmonova

I wonder what Ukraine exports to Russia............I bet it has something to do with weapons and weapon systems. Russia when it failed made terrible choices and you reap what you sow. They should have moved all sensitive production inside the borders.


The best thing Russia could do now is quietly go away. Crimea is going to cost a ton of money to set right.

Exactly Russians military is directly dependent on Ukrainian industry especially there airforce and navy.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: cosmonova

I wonder what Ukraine exports to Russia............I bet it has something to do with weapons and weapon systems. Russia when it failed made terrible choices and you reap what you sow. They should have moved all sensitive production inside the borders.


The best thing Russia could do now is quietly go away. Crimea is going to cost a ton of money to set right.

Exactly Russians military is directly dependent on Ukrainian industry especially there airforce and navy.

Jane's Information Group believed (on 31 March 2014) that while supply may be slowed by the Ukrainian embargo, it was unlikely to do any real damage to Russia's military.

and back to updates,

looks like volunteers keep coming from Russia

he state border guard service of Ukraine informs about focusing on the Russian side, opposite the plot is the responsibility of the Department of border service "Dmitrovka " (Donetsk region) 40 KAMAZ trucks with armed men , who are ready to cross the state border of Ukraine .

It is reported by the press service of the Donetsk border detachment.

Now the State border guard service of Ukraine shall take all diplomatic and organizational efforts to prevent these persons on the territory of our country.
The state border service also informed all the interacting bodies of Ukraine and state border service of FSB of the Russian Federation .

Lugansk region on 23/05

Ukrainian Army unit siding with local resistance forces

WOW! I can't believe Forbes is putting this out.


Why Everything You've Read About Ukraine Is Wrong

The mainstream American media has taken a nearsighted view of the Ukrainian crisis by following a script laid out by the State Department. Most reports have either ignored the truth or spun it in a way that paints only a partial picture. Here are seven things you should know about Ukraine.

. . . Truth is coming out in the most surprising places.

Rosemary Church ‏@rosemaryCNN 6m
Both pro-#Russia separatists & #Ukraine soldiers claim to control the airport in #Donetsk. The govt says flights will resume soon #CNN

The count of votes still continues, but the leaders of various countries are already congratulating Petro Poroshenko. Meanwhile, even some Western experts, not to mention the Russian ones, are not optimistic about Poroshenko. For example, according to the Washington Post, the most likely candidate for the presidential seat in Ukraine is a person from the country’s failing past closely connected to the inefficient government, proliferated oligarchy and impossible corruption.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...

Witnesses have revealed new details of the killings in Ukraine of an Italian reporter and his Russian interpreter, Andrey Mironov – who was also a veteran human rights activist, a journalist and a Soviet dissident.

Mironov’s body is currently in a morgue in Slavyansk and might soon delivered to Russia, media report.

Mironov, 60, was killed along with Italian photojournalist Andrea Rocchelli, 30, by mortar fire on Saturday near the village of Andreevka, a couple of kilometers from Slavyansk, eastern Ukraine. French journalist, William Roguelon was wounded in the attack.

originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica


WOW! I can't believe Forbes is putting this out.


Why Everything You've Read About Ukraine Is Wrong

The mainstream American media has taken a nearsighted view of the Ukrainian crisis by following a script laid out by the State Department. Most reports have either ignored the truth or spun it in a way that paints only a partial picture. Here are seven things you should know about Ukraine.

. . . Truth is coming out in the most surprising places.

spot on, especially this part which many here defending United Ukraine do not understand or pretend not to

1. Regardless of claims by some commentators like Forbes contributor Greg Sattell, the divisions in Ukraine are real, and violence unleashed by the Kiev regime is polarizing the nation further. While the differences between the Ukrainian west and the more Russian-facing rest of the country are widely acknowledged, what tends to be overlooked is that the culture, language, and political thinking of western Ukraine have been imposed upon the rest of Ukraine. Ostensibly this is for the sake of “unifying the country,” but in fact the objective has been to put down and humiliate Ukraine’s Russian-speaking population. The radical nationalists of western Ukraine, for whom the rejection of Russia and its culture is an article of faith, intend to force the rest of the country to fit their narrow vision. Western and eastern Ukraine do not understand each other’s preoccupations, just as Cubans in Miami and Cubans in Havana would not understand each other. Ukrainian conflict is not the conflict between the “pro-Russian separatists” and “pro-Ukrainians,” but rather between two Ukrainian groups who do not share each other’s vision of an independent Ukraine.

Western Ukraine was joined to Russia only during Stalin’s era. For centuries it was under the cultural, religious, and/or political control of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Poland. Hating Soviet occupation, western Ukrainian nationalists viewed Stalin as a much greater villain than Hitler, so that the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists aligned themselves with Nazis and, led by their radical leader Stepan Bandera, proceeded to rid their land of other ethnic groups, including Poles and Jews.

Western Ukraine is unified in its hostility toward Russians, whom they see as invaders and occupiers. During the last 20 years, as Ukraine tried to distance itself from its Soviet past and its ideology, it chose the nationalism of western Ukraine as the alternative. A necessary correction, perhaps, but the one that has generated its own dangerous myths. Easterners are angry that pro-Bandera banners, posters and graffiti are popping up all over Ukraine and with the rewriting of history in general, where violent nationalists who fought alongside the Nazis are treated as heroes while Russians, who suffered under Stalin no less than the Ukrainians, are denigrated. Following the exile of President Victor Yanukovich and Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian nationalist rhetoric has become downright offensive and hysterical, ostracizing further the people in the east. The escalating violence will continue to radicalize both sides, so instead of finding a democratically acceptable solution they will resort to baseball bats and AK 47s.

reminds me of forcing Serbs and their entity to be a part of Bosnia&Herzegovina and live in a same country with those ones they fought for 4 years. Ukraine is looking more and more like Former Yugoslavia and what happened there in 90'

Im really beginning to wonder if the sanctions are starting to have a larger effect than Russia is letting on maybe thats the reason Putin seems to have changed his mind?

May 23 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that Western sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine are having a real impact on domestic businesses.

He also told the St Petersburg International Economic Forum that access to funding for many Russian companies has became limited due to the punitive measures.

He added that the United States could be pressing sanctions against Russia to win competitive advantage over Europe.

"Maybe our American friends - they are sophisticated guys - want to get a competitive advantage in their trade and economic relations over Europe," Putin said. (Reporting by Darya Korsunskaya and Maria Kiselyova; writing by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Lidia Kelly)

www.reuters.com...

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: cosmonova

I wonder what Ukraine exports to Russia............I bet it has something to do with weapons and weapon systems. Russia when it failed made terrible choices and you reap what you sow. They should have moved all sensitive production inside the borders.


The best thing Russia could do now is quietly go away. Crimea is going to cost a ton of money to set right.


Also is seems we have already lost about 90% of the pro-russia posters already...........Hmm I guess they did not like ATS.

whatever they export to Russia brings money back home.
Also, around 35% of imports from Ukraine comes from Russia.
Yes, it would be a smart move to avoid doing business with Russia.
Or maybe according to some fellas in here they should just tell Russia to back off as they do not need their gas.
Speaking of gas there is a meeting in Germany about Ukraine's debt to Russia.
Only few days is left until debt has to be paid and payment made in advance for future deliveries, otherwise no gas.
Will be interesting to see what is going to happen.

back to updates, Google translation used

According to information received from the Slavic, with three residents. Andreevka found near chalk quarries mass graves of the victims.

Burials are in the north-west of the mountains Karachun, near the chalk workings.

Fitting hidden around piles workings and career. Shallow burial, corpses literally bombarded by 5-10 cm Smell worth matching. Unbearable.

All buried naked. Identify the affiliation was not possible. A greater degree of decomposition.

Found four burial. Number of buried count was not possible, and this task was not put.

Chalkpit near Mount Karachun able to answer the question, where are the "defectors" and "missing" soldiers of the Ukrainian army.

dnr24.org...