Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica


WOW! I can't believe Forbes is putting this out.


Why Everything You've Read About Ukraine Is Wrong

The mainstream American media has taken a nearsighted view of the Ukrainian crisis by following a script laid out by the State Department. Most reports have either ignored the truth or spun it in a way that paints only a partial picture. Here are seven things you should know about Ukraine.

. . . Truth is coming out in the most surprising places.

Holly Crap! Everyone should read that article!

latest dispatch from Vice News

originally posted by: dragonridr
Im really beginning to wonder if the sanctions are starting to have a larger effect than Russia is letting on maybe thats the reason Putin seems to have changed his mind?

May 23 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that Western sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine are having a real impact on domestic businesses.

He also told the St Petersburg International Economic Forum that access to funding for many Russian companies has became limited due to the punitive measures.

He added that the United States could be pressing sanctions against Russia to win competitive advantage over Europe.

"Maybe our American friends - they are sophisticated guys - want to get a competitive advantage in their trade and economic relations over Europe," Putin said. (Reporting by Darya Korsunskaya and Maria Kiselyova; writing by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Lidia Kelly)

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Absolute rubbish, and wishful thinking on your behalf. Would you like links of a hundred international scources saying the exact opposite? More countries than expected attended. Germany's businesses are falling apart, France ignores sanctions and commit to delivering weapon contracts.Even large American companies attended, ignoring sanctions, Visa, Mastercard etc, to name a few. You have really lost your credibility here now.That is just pitiful.How many hundreds of articles did you read, before finding this one, that you liked. Sad, and desperate.

a reply to: cosmonova

Speaking of gas there is a meeting in Germany about Ukraine's debt to Russia.
Only few days is left until debt has to be paid and payment made in advance for future deliveries, otherwise no gas.
Will be interesting to see what is going to happen.

They had that meeting today. I watched it.

EU stated that Ukraine had an undeniable obligation to pay Gazprom for all their free gas that they've been receiving.

Kiev negotiators agree to pay $2 billion to Gazprom to cover part of gas debt

No getting out of that.

a reply to: cosmonova


Well i guess the separatists arent taking prisoners burying defectors and Ukrainian army troops in chalk mines. Well i guess that means Ukrainians will be less likely to surrender sounds like a rather stupid thing to do. But this isnt the first ive heard of this they keep burying people in the woods maybe its because they cant aford to contact the local government for fear of being caught?

Thought i would post this made me laugh.

Matty Ice ‏@MattyIceAZ 2h
If there is one thing the GOP reaffirms about #Ukraine, its they are still are the party of no ideas.

In Mariupol (Donetsk region) Battalion "Ukraine" and special forces "Azov" conducted a successful intelligence operation, which resulted in the law enforcers managed to eliminate terrorists. About it on his Facebook page said lawmaker Oleg Lyashko .

"The terrorists opened fire. Ukrainian patriots began to shoot back. Among the terrorists have killed, approximately five people, among them - one sniper, three terrorists were detained. From our side - there were no injuries. Because the operation was destroyed much of the ammunition of the enemy" - the politician said.
news.liga.net...

And on a lighter note Madeleine Albright said the elections were fair despite Russian interference. My only question is who asked her in the first place and why? I thought we got rid of her but yet she still turns up its like a zombie you think shes dead and somehow she rises from her grave.Lets hope this time someone finds a way to keep her buried.

thelead.blogs.cnn.com...

Im really beginning to wonder if the sanctions are starting to have a larger effect than Russia is letting on maybe thats the reason Putin seems to have changed his mind?

a reply to: dragonridr

One internet source projects that Putin will let the drama in Eastern Ukraine play out for a month or so and then invade formally to get Eastern region independence.

Makes sense, the separatists defeat the Kiev forces by themselves would be a bonus for Moscow otherwise Russian army is standing by.

originally posted by: victor7

Im really beginning to wonder if the sanctions are starting to have a larger effect than Russia is letting on maybe thats the reason Putin seems to have changed his mind?

a reply to: dragonridr

One internet source projects that Putin will let the drama in Eastern Ukraine play out for a month or so and then invade formally to get Eastern region independence.

Makes sense, the separatists defeat the Kiev forces by themselves would be a bonus for Moscow otherwise Russian army is standing by.

No he isnt going to invade Ukraine Russia cant afford to. Not to mention Ukraine is pumping out new recruits daily from volunteers so an invasion becomes harder with each passing day. See Russia can only afford to through about 80000 to 90000 total at Ukraine. Alot of there military has prior commitments. And Ukraines army should be a little over a 100000 by now when training is finished should be 135000.

a reply to: dragonridr

Russia will be on the friendly ground and Ukraine will be the enemy territory.............in the eastern region. Russia will easily have 250,000 separatists volunteers to make it an Afghanistan for Kiev forces. It will be Kiev that will have its supply lines stretched.

I would not be surprised to see massive 'jump the ship' cases in the Ukrainian army.

If West Ukrainians think they belong to the stock of Hungarians, Poles etc. then they should quietly bug out and make a country of their own from that little map buldge on the Polish border. Eastern region does not want any fascists to fight for the rest of the time.

Exxon, BP Defy White House; Extend Partnership with Russia

Several of the largest oil companies in the world are doubling down in Russia despite moves by the West to isolate Russia and its economy. ExxonMobil and BP separately signed agreements with Rosneft – Russia’s state-owned oil company – to extend and deepen their relationships for energy exploration. The U.S. slapped sanctions on Rosneft’s CEO Igor Sechin in late April, freezing his assets and preventing him from obtaining visas.

However, the sanctions do not extend to Rosneft itself, allowing western companies to continue to do business with the Russian oil giant. ExxonMobil signed an agreement with Rosneft, extending its partnership to build a liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal on Russia’s pacific coast. Known as the Far East LNG project, the export terminal will receive natural gas from Russia’s eastern fields as well as from Sakhalin-1, an island off Russia’s east coast. Rosneft announced the deal in a press release on its website on May 23.

. . . And here you have it:

Or viewed another way, the moves to deepen business in Russia suggest that the world’s biggest oil companies are confident that the U.S. and Europe won’t be so bold as to truly attack Russia’s energy machine.

Well said Zodiac, and a sincere thank you to Arsen for starting this thread.I for one y2k have learnt, my step-father of 40yrs was born in the camps after WW2 in the Ukraine.And sorry to say this but there are still far too many U.S.A citizens who have a very limited knowledge about the rest of the world, even to this day reply to: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: dragonridr
Im really beginning to wonder if the sanctions are starting to have a larger effect than Russia is letting on maybe thats the reason Putin seems to have changed his mind?

May 23 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that Western sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine are having a real impact on domestic businesses.

He also told the St Petersburg International Economic Forum that access to funding for many Russian companies has became limited due to the punitive measures.

He added that the United States could be pressing sanctions against Russia to win competitive advantage over Europe.

"Maybe our American friends - they are sophisticated guys - want to get a competitive advantage in their trade and economic relations over Europe," Putin said. (Reporting by Darya Korsunskaya and Maria Kiselyova; writing by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Lidia Kelly)

www.reuters.com...

Absolute rubbish, and wishful thinking on your behalf. Would you like links of a hundred international scources saying the exact opposite? More countries than expected attended. Germany's businesses are falling apart, France ignores sanctions and commit to delivering weapon contracts.Even large American companies attended, ignoring sanctions, Visa, Mastercard etc, to name a few. You have really lost your credibility here now.That is just pitiful.How many hundreds of articles did you read, before finding this one, that you liked. Sad, and desperate.

Well i guess you need to talk with Putin since hes the one that said it. Apparently Putin doesnt agree with your assessment of the situation.

a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Is there any particular reason why you mislead when you post?

This article is by Vladimir Golstein, a professor of Slavic studies at Brown University. He was born in Moscow and emigrated to the United States in 1979.

Ironic how you dismiss western blog pieces yet embrace non western blog pieces.

a reply to: dragonridr

Russia is now demanding Ukraine stop operations in the east / south. At the same time a weapons convoy from Russia heading into the region was stopped and people taken into custody.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: dragonridr
Im really beginning to wonder if the sanctions are starting to have a larger effect than Russia is letting on maybe thats the reason Putin seems to have changed his mind?

May 23 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that Western sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine are having a real impact on domestic businesses.

He also told the St Petersburg International Economic Forum that access to funding for many Russian companies has became limited due to the punitive measures.

He added that the United States could be pressing sanctions against Russia to win competitive advantage over Europe.

"Maybe our American friends - they are sophisticated guys - want to get a competitive advantage in their trade and economic relations over Europe," Putin said. (Reporting by Darya Korsunskaya and Maria Kiselyova; writing by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Lidia Kelly)

www.reuters.com...

Absolute rubbish, and wishful thinking on your behalf. Would you like links of a hundred international scources saying the exact opposite? More countries than expected attended. Germany's businesses are falling apart, France ignores sanctions and commit to delivering weapon contracts.Even large American companies attended, ignoring sanctions, Visa, Mastercard etc, to name a few. You have really lost your credibility here now.That is just pitiful.How many hundreds of articles did you read, before finding this one, that you liked. Sad, and desperate.

Well i guess you need to talk with Putin since hes the one that said it. Apparently Putin doesnt agree with your assessment of the situation.

No HE DID NOT! Your article is a complete HOAX and you know it.The Russian Market and Ruble has increased dramaticly.What Putin said is a matter of record, printed in hundreds of articles, including western.If you dont have truth to push your views.SNIP.

a reply to: 13th Zodiac

Link to your info?

a reply to: 13th Zodiac

You got Proof of His post being a hoax? If you do please share.

ANyway As we all can see these puppets will not go away it seems until this thread and all mention of russia is forbidden from the site. I would like to ask the MODS and the ADMIN to consider making RUSSIANS,NAZIS,JUNTA, pro russians and PUTIN banned words.

This is SO sad its hilarious.

www.cnn.com...

White House official: cost of extended Afghanistan deployment $20 billion

It will cost extra $20B in 2015 and $10B in 2016.
End of 2016, US will only have military presence to secure its embassy.

Too bad, as soon as US cuts down to embassy level, the AQ and Talibian will start to make a comeback or even before that.

That is the culture of the place.

If Russia has to provide help to Eastern Ukraine to become independent then most surely US/NATO will give arms and support to Junta in Kiev. In return, Russia should find ways to make sure that US does not leave Afghanistan for next 20 years atleast.

All Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran should make sure that US is still involved in Afghanistan otherwise the focus of the AngloSaxons will become more intense on either one of the four mentioned.

Yes 1 of the 4, because "modus operandi" of the DC and Brussels is "One prey at a time".