Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

via Google translate:

Donbass miners decided to defend against Russian aggression - union

Шахтарі Донбасу прийняли рішення захищатися від російської агресії - профспілка ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/shaht… pic.twitter.com/iWNzsjnajV

Agence France-Presse @AFP #BREAKING Pro-Russian forces in Ukraine have 'shoot to kill' orders: Kiev

None of the men appearing in the video seem to fit the profile of the Ukrainian soldier as was seen in the last days, but rather that of the pro-Russian "self-defense" forces:

GrahamWPhillips @GrahamWP_UK Absolutely wild - tanks are doing show-tricks in the centre of #Sloviansk now - youtube.com/watch?v=6bpabV… #Ukraine #Russia

Later edit: One of the BTR's seems to be flying a Russian airborne flag.

Armored vehicles with Russian flag in center of Slovyansk. Say are defected #ukraine soldiers, but cld be lying pic.twitter.com/GIFpb0DwHi

cosmonova


I am here for the very same reason you are in here, just opposite side. To discuss current events in Ukraine.
You do not like my point of view? Well tough love.

'US supports Neo-Nazis party Svoboda'
www.youtube.com...

'Neo Nazi march in Kiev' reminds of events in Germany in 1930', typical nazi ideology
www.youtube.com...

'Right Sector' Neo-Nazi meeting
www.youtube.com...

More of Neo-Nazi hatress speach
www.youtube.com...


I can keep going all day
as I said before, Ignorance is a bliss

Keep at it cosmo, they dont want to see the truth.

Regarding the post about disrupting train movement and taking over military convoys:

interfax.com.ua...

via google translate:

In the route of the passenger and suburban trains at the Donetsk Railway (DSB) in connection with the unauthorized movement overlap unidentified persons on site Kramators'k - Druzhkivka amended. As the press service of the DSB, the organization of transport of passengers trains plying on this site will be passed on change of route to unlock. Kramators'k daily through the station runs 13 pairs of passenger trains and 14 pairs of trains commuting.

At the rate at which Ukrainian soldiers and armor is defecting, Russia does not need its army to take over Kiev.

Since there is so much propaganda on both sides, I would propose if you guys can make updates with pics and videos only instead
of bombastic short statements by those who post those things.

asen_y2k
At the rate at which Ukrainian soldiers and armor is defecting, Russia does not need its army to take over Kiev.

the other day I read there is a shortage of cash at ATMs in Kiev.
How is it where you are? Do you have access to cash?

more on taken over military vehicles

www.youtube.com...

Things don't look so good in "Dontesk republic":

Ukrainian Pravda

translation:

Separatists require businesses to pay them a flat tax of $ 70 monthly, announce the introduction of food cards and general mobilization . This " resolution" self-proclaimed " Republic of Donetsk " spread by outlets in central Donetsk , reports ZN.UA. The entrepreneur who gave these documents available to the newspaper, said that dealing with this very young, almost teenagers. However, they are dressed in camouflage and armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles . In these papers separatists require businesses to pay them a flat tax of $ 70 per month " to replenish the reserves of the Republic ." In addition, Ukrainian stamps on alcohol declared invalid , and the new " republican " separatists willing to sell for $ 2. Representatives from May 6 " DNR " promise to confiscate all alcoholic beverages without " excise tax ." In addition, one of the items " Resolution" introduces grocery card for some types of goods. Also, men need to join the army of the self-proclaimed republic. Violators their resolutions separatists promise " to evict bender with confiscation of property ."

Pro-federalization activists in Ukraine’s southeastern city of Donetsk say more than 50 military armored vehicles of the Ukrainian Army have been spotted in the region and are now closing on the city.

And Odessa declared independence

The "Anti-Maidan" in Odessa has announced the People’s Republic of Odessa and urged residents to block traffic in the city. "From today, the Odessa region becomes the People’s Republic of Odessa, where the power belongs to the people living in its territory," a statement on the official website of the "Anti-Maidan" reads. Activists urged city residents to block traffic in Odessa, having pointed 153 places on a special map on Yandex, where people should block traffic. It is planned to block the traffic for all kinds of transport, except ambulances. "At 16:00 tomorrow, Odessa must get blocked! Literally," the appeal reads. "Everybody who has not yet realized that the war had come to our houses should not go to work tomorrow," the activists of the "Anti-Maidan" said.

Voice of Russia

I think there is one big problem in this thread! I like Asen´s posts, because they seem to be rather neutral most of the time - he just reports the news. But I don´t like posters who are 100% convinced that their opinion is the one and only "right" opinion!

One thing has to be clear: Nobody on this thread knows the truth! What I have learned from my own research, from my contacts in the Ukraine, and from my visits in the Ukraine is that there is so much propaganda right now!! In the beginning most of the propaganda came from the Western politicians and media, but now Russian propaganda has caught up. We can´t be sure of anything that is reported! Be it from the news or from Tweets. It´s good that these news/tweets get reported here, but we shouldn´t take everything as fact!

There are people here who say that everything the Russian side says is wrong, and that only Ukrainian/Western politicians/news outlets say the truth. And there are people on here who say exact the opposite! I think the truth lies somewhere in between. The best thing we could do is listen to the Ukrainians! They know it best, and they are the ones who suffer from this situation the most!

And from my experience even the Ukrainians are everything but unified in their opinion. Many Ukrainians (at least most of the Ukrainians I know) wish that Maidan would have never happened! Maidan made a big mess and split the Ukrainians in two. Now it´s either pro-Russian or against Russian. But they want to be Ukrainians, and everything (ok, not everything) was ok before the "revolution" on Maidan nezalezhnosti. Now Ukrainians in the South and East have to chose either EU or Russia. Many, many Ukrainians don´t want any of the two. They just want to be Ukrainians. And many of them blame the West for starting the problems.

And the thing about the Nazis: It´s a fact that many Ukrainians consider the right sector as fascists. And after reading the "party guidelines" (is this the correct word?) of Svoboda, I must say that they are in about the same political corner as NSDAP was in Nazi-Germany! The big portrait of Stepan Bandera that I saw on Maidan Nezalezhnosti confirms the view of many that there are too many fascist elements within the new government. Another fact is that my friends in Chernigov (north of Kiev), who can speak Ukrainian only with a Russian accent, are afraid to travel to the west of Ukraine! If it´s justified or not, doesn´t matter! It´s a fact that they are afraid of the pravyi sektor!

Another fact is that the people I know who live in Krym, voted for Russia, because they don´t want to live under this "new government" in Kiev. Voting against this government led to them ending up in Russia, but to them this was the lesser evil. And many, many Ukrainians in mainland Ukraine also don´t want to live under this government.

I am at a point now, where I don´t believe anything that is said anywhere without verifying it myself. You can´t trust the Russians, you can´t trust Kiev, you can´t trust the West! Listen to the Ukrainians! To ALL of them! To the pro-EU Ukrainians, to the pro-russian Ukrainians, and to the pro-Ukraine Ukrainians (who are the majority)!

So please, don´t write as if you know everything for a fact - because you don´t! At least in most cases.

cosmonova

asen_y2k
At the rate at which Ukrainian soldiers and armor is defecting, Russia does not need its army to take over Kiev.

the other day I read there is a shortage of cash at ATMs in Kiev.
How is it where you are? Do you have access to cash?

edit on 16-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)

I know of only 2 ATMs in my city which is dispencing cash nowadays.

asen_y2k

I know of only 2 ATMs in my city which is dispencing cash nowadays.

edit on 16/4/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Are there a lot that aren't?

Is that 2 out of 3 or more like 2 out of 100?

SOme live coverage, of an area in Ukraine, apologies, I cannot read the language to know which town, but it is from an area where some folks are gathered around some staged APCs? A fighter jet just flew over at treetop level..

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In the begining before i knew it stopped dispensing, I tried around 10-15 ATMs. Finally found 1 which gave cash, later another. My friends tell the same for them. Till now the others ATMs are not working. Looks like only specific bank ATMs are dispensing cash, and note, I have a foreign card.
This was on and off for the last 3 months,finally around 20 days back they stopped dispensing permanantly, only these two work now, dont know how long it will last.

asen_y2k
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In the begining before i knew it stopped dispensing, I tried around 10-15 ATMs. Finally found 1 which gave cash, later another. My friends tell the same for them. Till now the others ATMs are not working. Looks like only specific bank ATMs are dispensing cash, and note, I have a foreign card.

Not good then.

Be safe dude. Be safe.

If it goes full on and you have to get out and there's nowhere else to go, there's a bed here in Yorkshire if you can get here. Seriously.

reply to post by khimbar


Thanks a lot for your kindness, but lets hope that it does not come to that)

asen_y2k
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Thanks a lot for your kindness, but lets hope that it does not come to that)

Well if it comes to that, I don't think there will be anywhere unaffected!

Interesting developments coming out of Ukraine this morning with the news that 6 armoured personnel carriers and their crew have either defected to Russia or are being trapped. Finally it appears Western media are running this news at the top of the hour for the first time in a while. Eastern Ukraine seems it is on the brink of imploding.