Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

Xcathdra:

...in that at some point Russian will continue their "retrieval" of former Soviet occupied lands.

This belief that Russia is seeking to claw back former Soviet territory is utter nonsense! The reason why the former Soviet State collapsed was because it was too big and too costly to maintain. Russia's climb to becoming an economic and financial superpower is a direct result of that collapse, clawing back former Soviet countries would jeopardise that economic and financial growth. I'm sure none of this is lost on Putin.

Since at least the end of WW2, American hegemonic ideology has sought to place it at the forefront of global policy, and to some extent, it has succeeded, but not without the support of other Western economies, or the petrodollar. There is absolutely no doubt that both China and Russia and a number of other Asian and South American countries want to see the implementation of an alternative to the petrodollar, because of the unfair advantage it has given to America. Whether or not they succeed in such an implementation remains to be seen.

America has executed similar actions, both hegemonic and oligarchic that Russia is now displaying with far more guile and violence for decades. America has invaded countries, with the help of Western allies, and dispossessed the sovereign people of those countries it has invaded of their resources and destroyed their once stable infrastructure, and yet we have Americans posting on here thinking they can pontificate how what Russia can or cannot do. Such hypocrisy stinks the place up, and obviously, the irony of their hypocrisy is totally lost upon them.

When another country begins to act the American way, Americans start crying foul and want to start WW3 because the audacity of say...Russia, is just too much for them to take. Prejudice is driving the American hyperbole and polemical attacks upon Russia. There is no empathy for the Ukrainian people, its all about America being seen to puff out its chest and rattle its sabres, but I can tell you with confidence, neither Nato or America want a conflict with Russia, simply because Russia has the nukes to destroy both, even when Russia herself would be destroyed. The West is not about to imperil itself over the Ukraine. America is not going to gamble or sacrifice one single American city for the sake of protecting Kiev. Of course, the West has to be 'seen' as a tough rebuttal to what Russia may or may not be trying to do with the Ukraine, but going to war with Russia...they would not dare, unless of course they want to euthanize 6 billion people in one go.

Russia is only interested in the turmoil that is at its borders. It has no expansionist plans for other former Soviet territory. Not unless Putin wants to mire Russia in the same economic and financial quicksand that the former Soviet state was mired in.

Situation in #Kiev #Ukraine has reached a boiling point. People want their govt to act decisevely to stop #Russia. A 3rd #Maidan is looming

People are burning tires once again in #Kiev. The perception here is that Tymoshenko and allies in power are surrendering #Ukraine to #Putin

#Euromaidan activists are discussing whether to storm #Ukraine's parliament and bring down what they perceive as a corrupt/failing govt

And the current government is seeing Russias hand in this.

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

The government in Ukraine was elected by the Ukrainian people so im not sure why you keep stating they weren't. Even Russia has acknowledged that fact in their media.

The current Parliament in Ukraine were elected in 2012 and they are still there as we speak.

Sir, you exist in an alternate universe.

An armed coup took place in Kiev, and it's government is ruled by men with guns, men of the Right Sector, the Neo-Nazi puppets of their controllers.

If the latest news from Kiev is true, and a second Maidan is brewing to overthrow the criminal junta, then I fully support those people. Just like any people, Ukrainians deserve their right for self determination. They should hold a democratic referendum and have a chance to VOTE for the future that they want.

Live from outside the Ukrainian parliament

Damn how the situation is changing every second.

reply to post by renden

An armed coup took place in Kiev, and it's government is ruled by men with guns, men of the Right Sector, the Neo-Nazi puppets of their controllers.

That is a bare faced lie. Members of Right Sector have been arrested. The Neo-Nazis are suspected of being controlled from Moscow. Crimea was seized by armed Russian troops, and that is a fact.

Russian Market @russian_market The Right Sector activists threat to storm Parliament in Kiev if the new govt doesn't send army to storm the protesters in Eastern Ukraine. 4 mins ago 9 retweets | 1 replies

Xcathdra

darkorange
Washington officials just have confirmed CIA chief Brennan visited Kiev over the weekend))))
He had a passport under different name. And wearing a skirt for disguise))). Ok, it was a joke about the skirt, folks. Sorry.

edit on 14-4-2014 by darkorange because: (no reason given)

This is an example of what im referring to.

Can you please link to the source where you obtained this information?


ETA - Never mind I found it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Reuters - www.reuters.com...

And so what do you make of the CIA in Kiev? Wouldn't want you to back slide here with an actual admission of how the west is meddling in the affairs of other nations… CIA chief in Kiev. Hmmm, lets see. The US admits it only after the Russians pointed it out. Further, that with todays electronic eavesdropping capability the personal visit by the head of the CIA was so he wouldn't be "overheard". And that is a scathing reflection on the CIA. Kind of like when McCain met with the terrorists in Syria, huh?

Skullduggery at its meddlesome best.

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reply to post by renden


No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

renden

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

The government in Ukraine was elected by the Ukrainian people so im not sure why you keep stating they weren't. Even Russia has acknowledged that fact in their media.

The current Parliament in Ukraine were elected in 2012 and they are still there as we speak.

Sir, you exist in an alternate universe.

An armed coup took place in Kiev, and it's government is ruled by men with guns, men of the Right Sector, the Neo-Nazi puppets of their controllers.

If the latest news from Kiev is true, and a second Maidan is brewing to overthrow the criminal junta, then I fully support those people. Just like any people, Ukrainians deserve their right for self determination. They should hold a democratic referendum and have a chance to VOTE for the future that they want.

I think your missing the point only one position changed in the government a president was ousted and a new one was put in as interim the rest of the government hasnt changed one bit there still the same people that were elected. So Removing a president and replacing them is not illegal the US has the ability to do the same thing we call it impeachment. But continue to tell lies about how the government was overthrown but anyone with half a brain can look on the internet and see removal of one person isnt overthrowing the government. Ok lets move back to reality now shall we?

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It confirmed he visited.

No issues there.. A few pages back I stated his visit could have been to brief Ukraine's leaders direct instead of turning over classified information to them and risking it landing in Russian hands. I speculated and wanted confirmation.

However, the purpose of his visit is not confirmed and even Russian media has stated over and over they cannot confirm the information of what his visit was for.

@NSCPress: This afternoon the President spoke with President Putin of #Russia on the situation in #Ukraine. Readout forthcoming.

asen_y2k

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

So long as its done by Ukrainians and not outside forces im good with it. Its interesting to see what will happen. If the government falls, again, will the new one act on its word to resolve the situation militarily.

asen_y2k

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

Well they may be right to do so partly because im seeing just a major lack of governance. If Kiev pervade a strong image right now alot of this wouldnt be happening but they keep running around not sure what to do or how to act. Its almost like there purposefully being ineffectual. Hey if its anything like our congress there probably on the take and someone's paying them to do just that.

Xcathdra

asen_y2k

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

So long as its done by Ukrainians and not outside forces im good with it. Its interesting to see what will happen. If the government falls, again, will the new one act on its word to resolve the situation militarily.

edit on 14-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

They would have to id think and then also the question goes how far would they take it?

dragonridr

asen_y2k

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

Well they may be right to do so partly because im seeing just a major lack of governance. If Kiev pervade a strong image right now alot of this wouldnt be happening but they keep running around not sure what to do or how to act. Its almost like there purposefully being ineffectual. Hey if its anything like our congress there probably on the take and someone's paying them to do just that.

Now if the government is pressured into a strong military response then Russia will react and may have tanks roll in, if not they will take over non militarily like Crimea, both ways the Ukrainian people loose.

dragonridr

Xcathdra

asen_y2k

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

So long as its done by Ukrainians and not outside forces im good with it. Its interesting to see what will happen. If the government falls, again, will the new one act on its word to resolve the situation militarily.

edit on 14-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

They would have to id think and then also the question goes how far would they take it?

No idea to be honest...

It could be a double edged sword as well should Russia take advantage of it. I could see Moscow making the argument, again, of an unstable government incapable of stopping things. If the citizens are this pissed there is no telling how it will play out.

If the government does change they need to make sure UN peacekeeping troops are used till they can sort it out.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Ukraine has zero chance of taking on Russia militarily,it's not going to happen,the will of the people of Ukraine will not support it nor have they
you can put your action figures away now.

asen_y2k

dragonridr

asen_y2k

Xcathdra
reply to post by renden

 

No I live on Earth.

How about you research the 2012 elections for Ukraine's parliament and then compare that list to who is in parliament now.

It is the government the Ukrainians elected in 2012.

And they may throw them out onto the streets now.

Well they may be right to do so partly because im seeing just a major lack of governance. If Kiev pervade a strong image right now alot of this wouldnt be happening but they keep running around not sure what to do or how to act. Its almost like there purposefully being ineffectual. Hey if its anything like our congress there probably on the take and someone's paying them to do just that.

Now if the government is pressured into a strong military response then Russia will react and may have tanks roll in, if not they will take over non militarily like Crimea, both ways the Ukrainian people loose.

edit on 14/4/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

If the citizens there are as fed up as they seem its possible their drive to keep their nation together may override the threat of Russia invading.


its also possible its being led by Pro Russian supporters.