OWS Makes People Sick

reply to post by woodwardjnr


He was upset because the potentially unsafe conditions at one of the several hundreds of occupy protests around the globe infringed on his nonexistent "right to health", which apparently due to a Supreme Court ruling, nullifies the rights of the protesters who are exercising their First Amendment right to peaceable assembly.

Cool glad he feels that way then we can defund the FDA and the BATF.

Yep people have no right to their health

reply to post by neo96

Cool glad he feels that way then we can defund the FDA and the BATF.

I never said that, nice try though.

Yep people have no right to their health

So is there a Constitutional amendment that I haven't read? You've been following this thread, and you've seen me ask beezer about 5 times to point out where in the Constitution it specifies a "right to health". So surely with the attitude you've just displayed, that is laid out very clearly in the Constitution, and you can provide that excerpt for me, right?

reply to post by Rockpuck


Believe it or not, there are a ton of Ron Paul/OWS supports. Myself being one. There are RP merch tables, RP stickers, End The Fed pamphlets and flyers, etc at OWS. I believe in exposing corruption, exposing our crony-capitalist government, exposing the fraud that is the fed and the billions it steals from taxpayers in order to support a truly free market.

Instead of calling OWS misguided and discounting them completely, why not stand with them, work toward a common goal, and help guide those who you feel are misguided?

Originally posted by TupacShakur
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He was upset because the potentially unsafe conditions at one of the several hundreds of occupy protests around the globe infringed on his nonexistent "right to health", which apparently due to a Supreme Court ruling, nullifies the rights of the protesters who are exercising their First Amendment right to peaceable assembly.

Yes it does say the right to assemble no one is against that.
What it does not say is right to *occupy and camp out*
which is what the whole problem is with them potentially
infecting the public with dangerous diseases from there
UN-sanitary ways.

Get a grip, epic fail show me in the first amendment people
have the right to camp out where ever the hell they want too
and cause disease.

And to everyone who says "I used to be supportive of OWS til it veered left, now I'm off, if they come back to the core issues maybe I'll support again," that's the problem. Instead of giving up, why not stick with it and work double time to get the "right" message out? Educate people, let it catch on, etc?

reply to post by ladykenzie


A lot of it actually has to do with "how" they are protesting. Living in a slum. It, imo, sends the wrong message. It was fun at first, it was unique, it got peoples attention ... but now it's costing an extremely large amount of money, damaging property, making people sick, attracting the worst of society to congregate.

I simply don't want to be associated with those people. Or with naive college kids who think they have the whole World figured out when in reality they don't know jack #.

reply to post by Rockpuck


You want to know what I think is an extreme amount of money to spend?
When the President and First Lady take separate planes to the same vacation spot.

Just because we can't see the waste that the wealthy elite create doesn't mean it's no less disgusting than what the protesters are creating.

reply to post by popsmayhem

Yes it does say the right to assemble no one is against that.
What it does not say is right to *occupy and camp out*
which is what the whole problem is with them potentially
infecting the public with dangerous diseases from there
UN-sanitary ways.

It's still a peaceful assembly regardless of whether it lasts two hours, two days, or two months.

Get a grip, epic fail show me in the first amendment people
have the right to camp out where ever the hell they want too
and cause disease.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or [color=limegreen]the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

reply to post by TupacShakur


Right you showed peacefully assemble.

It does not say peacefully camped out or occupy making
the area unsanitary for all.

reply to post by Rockpuck


I understand that. But at the same time, I feel for people, especially young people like college kids, who think they hate capitalism. (Not saying people who hate capitalism aren't valid in their opinions, or they are all misguided, or don't have rights to their political beliefs btw) But the thing is, our "capitalism" has been quickly escalating into a very distorted version very quickly, but no one is taught that in school. We are taught that America is the best, our government is the best, our economic system is the best, and THIS is capitalism, love it or hate it. And people are seeing that our system is broken, and rigged, and isn't currently giving people the fair shot they were promised, so they look to end the evil capitalism by means of socialism or otherwise. People aren't properly educated, and those young people who have never seen an example of real capitalism and are getting the feeling that something just isn't right but don't have the tools to understand the actual root of the problems don't realize that there are other options aside from socialism and crony-capitalism. Or that there is hardly a difference between our current "left" and "right" in big politics. We need to just let go of our pride and share knowledge.

reply to post by popsmayhem

Right you showed peacefully assemble.

It does not say peacefully camped out or occupy...

But that's what it is, an assembly.

as·sem·bly
   [uh-sem-blee] Show IPA

noun, plural -blies.
1.
an assembling or coming together of a number of persons, usually for a particular purpose:

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

Right you showed peacefully assemble.

It does not say peacefully camped out or occupy...

But that's what it is, an assembly.

as·sem·bly
   [uh-sem-blee] Show IPA

noun, plural -blies.
1.
an assembling or coming together of a number of persons, usually for a particular purpose:

Occupy Wallstreet having a particular purpose? Haha, that is a good one. Last time I checked, people go down to their local "protest" to rant about why they are fed up, not because they are in a general consensus which you would like to believe.

reply to post by TupacShakur


Yep, true that, whether people like it or not, "camping out" or "occupying" is assembling and should be protected as such. So the definition of "assembling" is contingent on which specific hours the assembling is taking place?
Can't really just twist the definition to fit what you WANT it to mean. Assembling is gathering together for a cause, there are no hours, times, or length specification. Whether or not you agree w/ their message, they deserve the same liberties as every other American citizen.
If a Nazi or KKK rally wanted to peacefully occupy my city, I might hate their cause and curse them up and down all day, but I would still support their right to peacefully assemble.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

Right you showed peacefully assemble.

It does not say peacefully camped out or occupy...

But that's what it is, an assembly.

as·sem·bly
   [uh-sem-blee] Show IPA

noun, plural -blies.
1.
an assembling or coming together of a number of persons, usually for a particular purpose:

Right that's exactly what they are NOT doing.
this is what they are doing


occupy [ˈɒkjʊˌpaɪ]
vb -pies, -pying, -pied (tr)
1. to live or be established in (a house, flat, office, etc.)
2. (often passive) to keep (a person) busy or engrossed; engage the attention of
3. (often passive) to take up (a certain amount of time or space)
4. to take and hold possession of, esp as a demonstration students occupied the college buildings
5. to fill or hold (a position or rank)

which is not in the constitution fail.
They are creating unclean conditions and are not peacefully assembling.

Sanitation is of course a real issue. However, the OP fails to have read the reports of police sending the homeless and heavy drug users to the camps to make ows look bad.

reply to post by pirhanna


Please, by all means, show me the articles detailing with evidence the widespread occurrences of police officers sending homeless and drug users to OWS camps. Or else take your accusations elsewhere.

The smell is so bad that people walking by the park have been having gag reflexes .. the official "government" of the camp is now passing out face masks because of the smell, and emergency rooms are filling up with sick protesters.

Where did you read that? Was it referring to the Occupy Portland? If so that is a lie because I have been down there and it smells fine.

I love that directorblue link.

The first picture is not even an occupy protest, it is a anti war protest in 2007.

Picture number two, you cannot even tell where and when that is. It could be, but the track recorder of this blogger is not going so well in this blog.

The third is a famous picture, although we can see clearly it is new york city and might be a recent one, there is no way in telling if that person is a protester or not. From what i can see he looks homeless and older then the average protester.

I have seen my fair share of homeless people crapping in the streets, so i would not so it past that lovely blogger to use three pictures that have NOTHING to do with the Occupy movement.

I may not agree with everything that has come out of this movement so far, but what i do not agree with is all the lies the media has been reporting as truth. I do not agree with all the threads, and post that start all this ows bashing. A lot of them jump at every little thing bad thing that come on youtube, the media and bloggers and then regurgitation it as truth.

so umm if people get sick it doesn't mean there going to die im sure they will tend to anyone who is ill with proper medical treatment noone is going to die because none of these people would let some be if they were seriously ill so yea nuff said