N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border with S. Korea

Keeping a close eYe on this thread.

Hopefuly nothing escalates and lives are spared.

Should pray for these guys right now wether it be nk sk us.

Originally posted by Sentinel412
I have just one question... how is it possible that the U.S. Command is not considering the odds right now. What do the North Koreans have? Submarines. Plenty of submarines. Around 60+. And the U.S. is sending 1 aircraft carrier along with 4 escort ships into Korean waters (Presumably 4 destroyers, or 3 destroyers & 1 cruiser, or 2 destroyers & 2 cruisers). So my question is... what the U.S. Naval Command really thinking?

If the North Koreans wants to make a war, which seems it's in their best interest, right now the U.S. Command is sent one slightly defended carrier group into the war zone, right in front of the torpedo tubes of countless enemy submarines.

I'm not that good with numbers, but if the NK is sending out just 40% of their subs, the U.S. can say bye-bye to the George Washington as nothing will be able to defend it from that overwhelming submarine force (Destroyers are outnumbered and the onboard helos are also insufficient to protect the CVN against this force if they're going to face with it.).

edit on 27-11-2010 by Sentinel412 because: (no reason given)

Seems to me Hawaii should have known about a certain Japanese task force, too.

Are they sending our carrier into harms way as bait?

reply to post by princeofpeace

You know there is one problem with this theory. If your theory is right, the NK shouldn't bombed the island at all. Commies are working on two ways; they're bluffing from the beginning to the end, what they're not doing as they're already bombed the island or the second way, they're preparing for something. Your theory sounds nice and would be good in a Hollywood movie, but the NK is up to something. They knew the U.S. is not going to retreat and never would call of the war games. They're too arrogant to do that. If they want to make a nice victory, trust me, they'll make a "great victory" and not a false one.

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I hope we don't have to find out. The group should also have some Arleigh Burke class destroyers too, which usually handle anti-aircraft and anti-submarine.

Originally posted by Sentinel412
reply to post by peter_kandra

 

Even if two or four subs is with them, it's still insufficient protection against 60+ subs. And only one must hit the GW. So mathematically the GW has not a single chance, regardless there are 2 or 4 subs along with the 4 warship escort. If the NK is willing to take her down, she will go down. That's simple mathematical odds.

edit on 27-11-2010 by Sentinel412 because: (no reason given)

According to BBC, they also have anti-submarine aircraft with them. Its very unlikely that NK would sneak one passed them.

Originally posted by Truth_B_Told
Seems to me Hawaii should have known about a certain Japanese task force, too.

Are they sending our carrier into harms way as bait?

Americans are too arrogant for that. They're always telling; guys, we're coming with overwhelming force. Plus everyone with net access is capable to monitor where their CVNs are truly are. No. The U.S. forces, if my theory is correct is slowly, but surely walked into a nice trap. If the NK is willing to fight, they'll and right now the U.S. Navy is served one of their finest carriers on a silver plate to them.

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I am sorry for this...



But I had too.



Now on topic: My gut tells me that the DPRK wants to instigate in the hopes SK and the US will back down for fear of a further escalation but I have a feeling the other parties are not so willing to stop this from happening.

Please note my gut is usually way off! I hope it is this time as well.
Obs out

How would HI know? Not like there was sattellite and radar (to cover that distance) back then.

Originally posted by Truth_B_Told

Originally posted by Sentinel412
I have just one question... how is it possible that the U.S. Command is not considering the odds right now. What do the North Koreans have? Submarines. Plenty of submarines. Around 60+. And the U.S. is sending 1 aircraft carrier along with 4 escort ships into Korean waters (Presumably 4 destroyers, or 3 destroyers & 1 cruiser, or 2 destroyers & 2 cruisers). So my question is... what the U.S. Naval Command really thinking?

If the North Koreans wants to make a war, which seems it's in their best interest, right now the U.S. Command is sent one slightly defended carrier group into the war zone, right in front of the torpedo tubes of countless enemy submarines.

I'm not that good with numbers, but if the NK is sending out just 40% of their subs, the U.S. can say bye-bye to the George Washington as nothing will be able to defend it from that overwhelming submarine force (Destroyers are outnumbered and the onboard helos are also insufficient to protect the CVN against this force if they're going to face with it.).

edit on 27-11-2010 by Sentinel412 because: (no reason given)

Seems to me Hawaii should have known about a certain Japanese task force, too.

Are they sending our carrier into harms way as bait?

reply to post by captaintyinknots

According to BBC, they also have anti-submarine aircraft with them. Its very unlikely that NK would sneak one passed them.

Why not?? NK supposidly snuck past them before and sunk an SK ship...

reply to post by Sentinel412


It's a dicy game to be sure. And they are prepared for the worse I promise.

Their population is totally void of outside information. So they have already won. They have won all they can. And they know it. But they simply have everything to loose by going one step to far.

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And you still believe in fairy tales? How many times an oldie Chinese submarine sneaked right into the middle of the U.S. fleet? Few times? The NK has the same tech. If they want to go there, their subs are already lying on the seabed and waiting to come up right in the middle of the U.S. fleet. Remember. NK is playing on home territory. It's easier to set a trap there.

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wow, your one of the earliest joiners i've seen on this website! I pale in comparison




8 monthes to 8 years, looks like i'v got some catching up to do

One thing to keep in mind in all this - the NK military is facing a "use it or lose it" situation because most of their stuff is so old and they're running our of spare parts. There is a theory that if they don't use it pretty soon they'll have a big pile of scrap metal on their hands and it will take decades to build back up again, if that's even possible with all the sanctions. So it may seem crazy to start a war....but they might feel they have to before their armed forces fall to bits and the country is weakened for the foreseeable future. I think this was all in a report that was posted in another thread.....couldn't find it though. (a link would be great if anybody knows the one I'm talking about...)

Originally posted by observer
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

I am sorry for this...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/91a694f20836.jpg[/atsimg]

But I had too.

Now on topic: My gut tells me that the DPRK wants to instigate in the hopes SK and the US will back down for fear of a further escalation but I have a feeling the other parties are not so willing to stop this from happening.

Please note my gut is usually way off! I hope it is this time as well.
Obs out

thanks for that we really needed a laugh in this thread...

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this happened 15 minutes ago

I get an error when i click that.

Originally posted by bevigilant
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this happened 15 minutes ago

reply to post by Sentinel412


First of all the Washington is operating in international waters and south Korean territorial waters. North Korea is crazy but not stupid! They know if anything happens to the Washington they will catch the blame for it, and they know the B-2's stationed in Guam right now will turn the North Korean capitol into a waste land for generations to come! And their is not a damn thing China can do to protect them IF they attack the Washington or any other ship right now.

And as for China well they can piss and moan all they want but the only part of the Yellow sea they control is from their shore to 12 miles out. after that they have no control no matter how deluded their thinking is. they know better than NK not to come out and challenge a U.S. Carrier it doesn't matter if the carrier has an escort or not. And lets not kid ourselves here. The Washington is not alone. she is being escorted by 4 other U.S. ships that we know of. you'd be surprised how many Los Angeles class subs are laying in wait on the bottom of the Yellow Sea right now just waiting. For anyone to grow some balls and try to get within torpedo distance of the Carrier.

Plus the Washington s being protected by the SK Navy as well. Trust me The Washington is more protected in the Yellow sea right now than when its at its home port in Japan.

Nothing is going to happen during these exercises, other than China doing the usual complaining about the U.S. Navy operating in international waters that they claim to have an exclusive to. And North Korea trying to get another 15 minutes in the headlines.

Originally posted by bevigilant
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Linky no worky

BBC World News just reported that there are little to no residents left on the island. The majority of the people ordered to take shelter a couple of hours ago were journalists. Also, according to them the drills are to last several days.

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