"Ugly Betty" Actor Kills Mother With "Freemason" Sword, Chanting to "Great Architect"

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...sounds like paranoid schizophrenia...
www.schizophrenia.com...

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I was just about to post something from there glad I looked first. The article from TMZ goes into a little bit more detail then the other reports. He said he felt like Neo from the matrix. This man does have a little problem with reality. I wonder if any drugs had something to do with his situation, but if not this man just snapped and snapped hard. Supposedly God told him it was going to be his last day on earth. Well he surely has a room for him at Bellvue because this man is nuttier than a fruitcake. I would love to know what happened before all of this that made him snap. Was this just something that popped up all of the sudden or was this something tat was building over time.Whatever it was it did a job on him, it is a shame that it cost his mothers life, because she probably didn't have any clue he was going to snap. A truly sad story for all involved.

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That is probably what happened to him, but I wonder if he has had any type of problems in the past. He must have been a decent actor, because he was on a fairly popular show even though it was only one time.

The 31-year-old Brea said he told no one about the dream, but the following afternoon, he said he received another sign while at the Prince Hall Masonic Temple in Harlem, which he'd joined a week earlier.*

His dad said in the interview that he called him that night complaining of a headache. His dad also claimed that it was his sword. A martial arts sword. I have seen a sword like that but from a friend who lived in India. Not masonic at all. And for the ones who think that the masons brainwashed him and they need to be investigated...... he joined the lodge a week earlier. We work very quick. muhahahaha.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Its a "fantasy" sword, meaning it was never made for killing and its design serves no purpose (waving blade)

Also looks like a small dirk on the floor as well.. poor woman must have been terrified...

It's a kris style sword, looks like.

I'm familiar with different types of blades, and received a Knights of Columbus rapier as gift once.

Originally posted by ApostleTriad
I've seen this happen before! Just as Kanye's mother died on the operating table out of the blue. It definitely sounds like a Masonic sacrifice. Watch, he'll be out of jail in no time and become a huge pawn out of no where. Or possibly the cops with call a 5150 and let him go to rehabilitation center and be released in 3-4 months.

Can you please, since you appear to know what you're talking about, both describe to me what constitutes a Masonic sacrifice, and give me your source for the information?

Ignorance, fight it.

He would have probably been a hero if he'd killed Kat Stacks instead.

The article mentioned a few "threes" -- three "saint cards" ("Catholic" magic), three chickens in a pot and a three-foot sword

The sword definitely was not a samurai sword. A light sword whose blade has a curve or waves has better cutting potential than other light swords. Masonic swords are supposed to be kept dull, so he must have sharpened it himself before using it.

The sword and dagger are Masonic instruments. In the Scottish Rite, one of the 3 ruffians is killed with a dagger to the head and to the heart, and another is beheaded. The penalty for one of the degrees, I forget which, is to be stabbed in the heart with a sword. For the initiation ritual, the candidate has a sword or dagger held to his heart. The compass on the floor is of the type that is used for stonework, and not for drafting, etc.

"Grand Architect of the Universe" is known to be a Masonic phrase and not philosophical or whatever some of the other posters said.

He was charged with "second-degree" murder so this was not a planned blood sacrifice, but rather some sort of vigilantism.

It usually does take emergency response teams a long time to arrive at a location, because they are basically cops from different parts of town being assembled together.

Apparently this guy has a twin brother named Marcel
www.nydailynews.com...

Before killing his mother, he visited a Prince Hall lodge. After leaving the lodge, some people followed him onto the train and kept messing with his head, asking him about the difference between his "mom" and his "mother." Like the socialists, the Freemasons tell their members that they are part of a "new family." Occult groups do these kinds of things to initiates so as to appear like coincidences or signs from God, when in really it's the puppet master pulling strings.

According to his side of the story, the mother refused to confess a belief in God, which fueled his suspicion and rage.

The police found him holding the sword in one hand and a Masonic Bible in the other. In Freemasonry, the sword protects the book of law.

The article paints him like some kind of oedipal case, which is weird and probably irrelevant.

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based on the fact that this man was a mason for less than a week, it's a bit wild to suspect masonry had anything to do with it at all. And the sword was not masonic. It was his dads. He even said it was his and it was for martial arts. there are conspiracies, but this ain't one. I'd look more into the headaches.

Originally posted by tonypazzohome
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yikes. sounds like this guy went totally insane.

lots of craziness going around.

did you read about the stage actor that was supposedly about to get married but was having financial difficulties

he stole a neighbors ATM card, killed him, and then lured the dead guys tutor over to make it look like a rape and murder occurred

the tutor was a female and the male he killed he also dismembered him!!!!!.........

not sure what this dude was thinking cuz he made it pretty obvious that there was a third person involved

and the cops did a good job and got him too!

truth stranger than fiction....

Man there is some bizarre stories out there.

Originally posted by network dude
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based on the fact that this man was a mason for less than a week, it's a bit wild to suspect masonry had anything to do with it at all. And the sword was not masonic. It was his dads. He even said it was his and it was for martial arts. there are conspiracies, but this ain't one. I'd look more into the headaches.

It's a bit wild to see a Masonic compass at the crime scene, and for the perpetrator to yell out things about the GAOTU.

An investigator claims that he stole the sword from a Masonic lodge.

Where did he say that it was for martial arts?

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
An investigator claims that he stole the sword from a Masonic lodge.

Where did he say that it was for martial arts?

Well, the father claims to own the sword, and that he used it for martial arts, between 40 and 51 seconds into the interview on CNN here.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

It's a bit wild to see a Masonic compass at the crime scene, and for the perpetrator to yell out things about the GAOTU.

An investigator claims that he stole the sword from a Masonic lodge.

Where did he say that it was for martial arts?

here's the deal, even if this was the most masonic sword that ever was made, and it had special masonic powers that only Harry Potter could release, it wouldn't make this a masonic event. It was a guy who had some serious problems in his brain, who killed his mom. His dad claimed the sword. And since this used to be his dad's house, and he had been a mason for quite some time, it seems quite likely that there might be something masonic in the apartment. Like a masonic compass.

Interesting case.. I havent read the thread but this looks like a combination of a psychiatric condition and culturally inherited Haitan beliefs about both Demons and the guys own distorted perceptions of what it might mean to be a Freemason.

He probably believed in conspiracy-theories about those "very powerful and evil" Freemasons. Then, becoming one, his psychiatric condition was triggered (or his demons were triggered, if you believe in that. And if you do believe in that, then it was probably not his mother who was possessed, but him) and he killed his mom.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
An investigator claims that he stole the sword from a Masonic lodge.

Where did he say that it was for martial arts?

Well, the father claims to own the sword, and that he used it for martial arts, between 40 and 51 seconds into the interview on CNN here.

You can download it here ht.cdn.turner.com...

Even Judge Judy would tell you that he's lying, and several family members have been coming to Michael's support. The father said something along the lines of that she [the mother] will be buried like she should be.

Originally posted by network dude
here's the deal, even if this was the most masonic sword that ever was made, and it had special masonic powers that only Harry Potter could release, it wouldn't make this a masonic event. It was a guy who had some serious problems in his brain, who killed his mom. His dad claimed the sword. And since this used to be his dad's house, and he had been a mason for quite some time, it seems quite likely that there might be something masonic in the apartment. Like a masonic compass.

Why did he yell a bunch of Biblical references from the Old Testament, which is not something a Christian would do? He was also clutching a Masonic Bible.

Maybe the dad stole it from a Masonic lodge. It's a south-east Asian sword, so what kind of south-east Asian martial arts did he practice? It's more likely to be connected with some sort of Arab conquest, and with the Shriners. The Freemasons are known for putting up lodges in out-of-the-way places such as exotic islands.

You're jumping the gun a bit by denying that this was some sort of Masonic sacrifice.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Interesting case.. I havent read the thread but this looks like a combination of a psychiatric condition and culturally inherited Haitan beliefs about both Demons and the guys own distorted perceptions of what it might mean to be a Freemason.

He probably believed in conspiracy-theories about those "very powerful and evil" Freemasons. Then, becoming one, his psychiatric condition was triggered (or his demons were triggered, if you believe in that. And if you do believe in that, then it was probably not his mother who was possessed, but him) and he killed his mom.

The guy said that he became deeply disturbed when people asked him strange questions on the train ride from the Masonic lodge. His mother was probably a disturbing person in her own right, since the family has supported him and so far I'm not sure whether anyone has gone to identify the body.

He never said that he was ridding himself of his own demons, and he has never expressed regret. It's really awful how the Masons here are making him out to be some sort of savage beast.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
He never said that he was ridding himself of his own demons, and he has never expressed regret. It's really awful how the Masons here are making him out to be some sort of savage beast.

Normally the psychiatric condition or demonic possession (whichever way you see it) lies with the one commiting the acts.

People who suffer possession or schizophrenia hear voices.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Why did he yell a bunch of Biblical references from the Old Testament, which is not something a Christian would do? He was also clutching a Masonic Bible.

maybe he wasn't a Christian. You do know that a masonic bible is a KJV bible with a few pages in the front explaining a bit about masonry right? And If he was initiated into a lodge the week before, perhaps his father gave him that bible.

Maybe the dad stole it from a Masonic lodge. It's a south-east Asian sword, so what kind of south-east Asian martial arts did he practice? It's more likely to be connected with some sort of Arab conquest, and with the Shriners. The Freemasons are known for putting up lodges in out-of-the-way places such as exotic islands.

He couldn't have been a shriner as he was just an entered apprentice.

You're jumping the gun a bit by denying that this was some sort of Masonic sacrifice.

since there is no such thing as a "masonic sacrifice" I feel confident in saying that no, this was nothing masonic. On that I would bet my life.

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I'm having a hard time understanding what some of the members, including yourself, are referring to as Masonic sacrifice? So far in all of my exclusively Masonic studies I haven't come across any records of a ritual sacrifice thats practiced by any Freemasons... And I have spent some serious time researching Masonic ritual.

Also, as many other members have seemed to see, this incident in particular has all the ringings of a mental breakdown of epic proportions. It's unfortunate that the man's mother had to be there during this collapse of mental prowess. The word 'Snapped' comes to mind.

Remember that even Masons are normal men. We don't have any defenses against illness that any other human doesn't possess or have access to. That includes mental illness, which in this case, IMO, the investigators will eventually come to a conclusion that this was a psychotic episode of some kind. Further evidence points to this by the perp's complaints of head pain.

And just so you're all clear, there is nothing different between a normal bible and a "Masonic Bible". It's a King James Bible that has about 50 pages in the front before the opening lines of genesis that explain different Rites of Masonry, and the ancient story of King Solomon's Temple. The only other difference is that you may find a square and compass with a G on the front cover and on the binding.