Life on the other side of the fence

reply to post by GavCg


first of all fox news would never do that, due to the fact that it is paid off media. If you don't know that by now, than there is something wrong with you. Frankly that's your opinion to close the thread.I for one say it should stay open. So it is even. One - One. A tie.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by darcon]

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by NephraTari

 

Your wrong again Darlin. How would anyone know the truth of what you profess? Got any proof you want to post?

Proof of what? If you are not the same person.. hey thats great but you answered questions directed at Drakiir in the first pages of this thread. I am sure you can understand why people might draw that conclusion. and No I was not the only one to think that btw.. you were asked by someone else on page 1 or 2 if you were you or drakiir?

I don't need proof to know what real. Ghost hunter is for real. I can tell by his accounts.. just as I can tell drakiir is not. It is of course just my personal opinion and should be taken as such. However I caution those who are seekng truth to pay attention to ghost hunter, he is being sincere.

Originally posted by Drakiir
NOTE TO EVERYONE

No government want its people living in safety and security, they want you to live in fear and depression. Events will continue to be created and control will persist until people realize the government and the day and the bad grays have a combined agenda its not freedom we can all see that so ask yourself honestly what is it.


The information and link are on page 11. Take it or leave it.

I am not saying that the theories you are presenting are not accurate, but the rest of it.. I am calling out as untrue.
Your theories are sound but I do not buy your story of being controlled by them etc.
Some of what you have said is untrue and you know it as well as I do.
Your message is not a bad one, but when you try to give people a message do not use dishonesty when you are presenting it or those that can see through things will call you on your dishonesty.

reply to post by NephraTari


Proof of your ancestors being somehow saved during earths great changes. Drakiir is speaking for himself, your speaking for people you have never known.

I answerd the question put to me by laughing cat.

What gives you so much insight as to determine who is being truthful and who is not?

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by NephraTari

 

Proof of your ancestors being somehow saved during earths great changes. Drakiir is speaking for himself, your speaking for people you have never known.

I answerd the question put to me by laughing cat.

What gives you so much insight as to determine who is being truthful and who is not?

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

besides the stories passed down over generations and petroglyphs in AZ that are thousands of years old. I have no proof. and you can choose not to believe me if that is your wish, just as I choose not to believe drakiir.
I still find the way you defend him interesting in light of the whole situation where you answered his questions for him. I am still curious to see if the mods find you are both posting from the same area if not the same IP

I still feel this is a fraud. I have the right to that opinion and you have the right to call me the same if you wish.

that is the beauty of personal freedom.

edited to add..
Here are some things I can prove!
I can prove through medical records that my body temperature is ALWAYS lower than normal people. I can prove that I have severe anemia and I can prove that despite that fact I have an unusual ability to function very well on small amounts of sleep.

I can prove those things if need be. I am sure there are others I could prove but off the top of my head.. those are doable.

In truth proof is a funny thing. and honestly. I never asked him for proof. Perhaps you missed that. I believe I even stated in a previous post that I do not need proof to know when someone is sincere or not. Short of you going with me to my medical clinic and sitting beside me while they pull up my chart and notarize the copies. you might even question my medical records genuineness I suppose. which is why I say.. proof is a funny thing. It is near impossible to prove anything 100% unless you experience it firsthand. what I rely upon is my very well developed intuition to tell me when something is true. It has not failed me yet.




[edit on 11-2-2008 by NephraTari]

Originally posted by darcon
They are already here believe it or not. They have already surrounded the earths surface. They are 5th dimensional, so we can not see them but they are there. They are going to show themselves slowly but surely. UFO sightings have already increased by a drastic Number this year. There was something like 360 sightings of ufo's last year. We are a month and a half way through this year and already there has been 81 sightings. When they finally do land they will intercept all transmissions. Radio, Internet, T.V., everything. Now that is how they will get the wester Society. Western society depends on stuff like that, but countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, they will just show themselves. Do not panic like i said. They are here to help us get out of the mess that we Made. We are not all to blame, because the higher powers(13 families that run the western world) Continue to promote violence and hatred and fear through, the t.v. radio. Believe it or not the internet is actually the one tool they can't really affect. It is a great way to learn the truth. Just don't panic when they land.



[edit on 9-2-2008 by darcon]

THis is almost as hilarious as the first post, but not quite. Seriously though, do me a favour please, explain the 5th dimension to me please in a way that an idiot like me can understand. You said it, so please explain the science to me and others, and don't just fob it off and say something dumb like ...well they're invisible or beyond our comprehension because thats not an explanation that's just BS. And that's all I'm reading here so far. Wishful thinking by some poor deluded people. Otherwise this thread belongs in the safe medicated confines of Skunkworks.




[edit on 11-2-2008 by willywagga]

[edit on 11-2-2008 by willywagga]

I've just scanned through this thread and can only guess that someone is trying to pick up sleeper's mantle and audience.

reply to post by willywagga

Well like you said, don't say anything stupid like they are invisible or beyond our comprehension, well that is it. They are higher beings that we cannot see due to the fact that they are in a higher dimension, they are invisible to the naked eye because they are not on the physical plane, that is known as the 3rd Dimension. I know you are going to say it is B.S., and i don't blame you. If you want more info speak to a man named Paul_Richard on ATS, he has way more info than i do. I can understand that you want a better explanation, hell i do to, but i am still searching for answers.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by darcon]

G'day Drakiir and Witnes20s08.
These questions are more directed for Drakiir but Witnes20s08 if you can comment please do.
My question isn't about the aliens but rather your reasons for submitting to them(aliens) so easily, I don't understand how a human male can just give the OK for aliens to poke and prod him and take samples.
What do you get out of this?
Have you ever thought what your doing with them maybe wrong?
I'm trying to relate to your situation .I thinking along the lines of your walking down the street and one car pulls up next to you with four humans inside one leans out of the window and asks you "can you come with us we are med students and would like to run some tests and experiments on you ok?" and your reply is "ok".
If and I mean if this is true you are looking like a traitor to the Human race can you see my side here OR maybe this is why you have come to ATS to tell us but than get strong honor feelings towards these aliens so you can't do it.The aliens can't erase all our memories as it will be in text on the internet.
Thanks.

reply to post by NephraTari


Well...as far as the myths passed down through many generations, we all have those...as far as petroglyphs I would wait for the properly accredited anthropoligists to bring any truth to those.

Why would I think twice about defending Drakiir or anyone else for that matter who I feel is being ridiculed? In fact I was not defending him, I was attempting to relate to him.

I do not recall anywhere on the threads of answering questions for him. And so what if I did. Your going to have to come up with a bit more than that to back up your accusation that we are one in the same. Your intuition served you wrong on that one.

That's really great your body temperature is lower than everyone elses. Anemia can be brought on by lack of iron in ones diet. Small amounts of sleep seem to plaque a lot of people. I don't sleep much. You may want to visit the Negative Blood Type Thread....your not unique.

Your intuition has failed at least once in this thread, you may want to reconsider using it to justify calling someone a liar.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

Woa Woa Woa

Lets all take a step back, breathe and calm down
Witness and Drak are only trying to share what they have to say, and I do have to say all the negative and hurtful posts by other members is very very disappointing. Sorry, if you believe it's nothing but hogwash, dont flame, just get out. It's that concept of "If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say it" No one asked you to comment on what they have to say. Keep your snide comments to yourself. However, if you have a legitimate question, more power to you. It's natural to be skeptical, but it's hurtful when you all start accusing people. Thats why we hide and don't talk to people. I only talk about the things that have happened to me with people who understand and/or have open minds, that aren't about to jump onto "lets call her names and tell everyone she's crazy" bandwagon.

Just think before you type. thanks.
-B

reply to post by Zelong


I came away with anger after ny first contact. My companion dog and cat were affected as I was. I learned quickly not to apply my very limited human perspective to what was and is happening. If we see it as abduction then it is so. I see it as contact and an opportunity to take part in something beyond myself.

The changes in my life since last year are positve ones, the scales on my eyes have been removed and I no longer live on or in a flat, black and white world. I have never been probed and experimented on, but that is not to say some of this has not been frightening and confusing at times.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

reply to post by Chiiru


Thanks Chiiru

I am amazed at the attacks on Drakiir and others on this thread. I do understand where he is coming from. It is so much easier to have ones questions answered when they are not so loaded with accusations.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

[edit on 11-2-2008 by Witness2008]

reply to post by NephraTari



For what it's worth I had no problem on pages 2 and three discerning that Witness was another person completely,and Witness2008 was only chiming in on a thread to where he or she had similiar experiences as the main poster.

It's seems a few people got confused by this for some reason.

Then when Witness was answering questions directed at Drakkir, it got even more confusing. But Up until page 8 or so, I didnt read past that yesterday morning, and only logged on just now to see your posts accusing them of being the same people. I'm not sure what happened between paged 8 or 10ish, and now what 17. So i could be way off base.

But back to my point when questions were being answered by the wrong party they were directed to, I was gonna suggest Witness start his.her own thread. Just to avoid any other confusion. It still may be a good idea? I dunno, I missed out on a good 8 pages of posts, for all i know Drakiir has been debunked (I highly doubt it, as he was playing it very safe) but you never know.

Anyone from my POV it was ovious from Witness's first post these were two completely different people who only shared similiar contacts, and abductions. Yes it confused me for a split second, but others seemed extremely confused, and 17 pages later still do?

Either way glad this thread is still here, what amazed me the most about it all though, was the almost jeleous nature that came out in MANY of the posters, about Why THEY weren't SPECIAL enough to be abducted.

Careful what you wish for, ya know.

Well back to the Topic at hand, which I thought was fairly boring, as Drakiir stated he couldn't share anything that couldn't be found on the internet. But he did share a handful of things I never heard of that sounded quite plausible, quite mundane (which to me gives it credibility, the hoaxers always go for the BIG STUFF), thins. But still stuff that that was believable.

If this is/was a hoax, it a lesson here, keep it simple, this way you don't get caught out there. Don't claim you have anything to show, cause qwhen you can't produce it (cause you never had it), you thread ends up 3 pages long with a Mod lock at the end, instead of 17-18 pages long and still going fairly strong.

**EDIT**

NephraTari-

I believe after reading pages 12-16 in particular (ive read the entire thread now.) But concering 12/13-16 there actually may be something to your suspicions. I noticed that when you and a couple others started pressing the matter that Drakkiir and Witness08 could be the same person and maybe IP checks are in order, ALL posts from Witness2008 ceased.

For 3 and a half full pages (after haveing posted 3-5 times on each page before this, not one post was made by Witness2008, but many posts (more than usual were made by Drakiir). While I still think These two users deserve the benefit of the doubt, and I still believe they are 2 seperate users, I believe that perhaps some checks need to be made, by the mods of course, to make sure they are not posting from the same IP adress).

I've seen the Noderators go to greater lenths for much less, as in the most recent post that was locked because the OP'er refused to establish any type of repore(sp?) via U2U with the Mods, and he also deleted his first two posts entirely.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, although my gut may not agree with yours :p, I definitely can see where you are comeing from. I thought at first you were just confused by the way questions were being posed to the two different users in question, and one would answer a question posed to the other 'by accident' in my opinion. But after reading pages 12-16. well actually all the ones i hadn't read when I initially made this post 10-17. I can see that this "confusion" is not the case of your suspicion, but other things, which I agree are a little suspicious myself.

So my apologies, for jumping the gun. Sorry

**/EDIT**


[edit on 11-2-2008 by Nola213]

OP one thing, dont get angry because people ask for proof, this is normal on the ATS UFO forum, any treath that people comes up on here will be asked for proof of whatever they claim, if you dont provide any only your own experience you should first come and say that, like "this is my Aliens experience" because if you preach like the truth people here will ask you for the proof.

Another thing, i think this topic shouldnt be here, this is more for the skunk forum (no proof, only experience). Dont get angry but this is the what i think. I can tell my own UFO and Alien experience but i would not say "this is true and it should be true for all of you", i have no pshycall proof so it doesnt matter, this forum if for finding positive proof (video, photo, sound, documents or insiders).

This is my opnion.

Im very disappointed with this thread. The way your all getting at someone just for trying to have a discussion with you. Thats all Drakiir wants to do put his thoughts forward and get some feedback. If you dont believe him that is fine but dont attack him in the way you are. This thread would put any new member off from posting something that was probably very important to them.
This thread mirrors all in society that I hate, humanity will never improve with minds that attack individuals for being just that, individual.

great let's put it in skunk works. Most of the interesting stuff is on Skunk works anyways. Back to the topic though. OP did you ever feel paralyzed before they Abducted you, if so watch out because Some of the things i have read say that the aliens that use Paralyze guns are not malevolent they are the opposite, i am not 100% sure if that is true, but it is something to ponder.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I thought it was against the T&C to lie or hoax. Or maybe the OP had an experience when he was very little, could have been anything mundane, but his little brain and imagination put him in some fantasy world that he continued to believe in up to the present.

As someone has already said (multiple times in this thread) your making those of us that want to believe look like fools...and anyone giving you the benefit of the doubt are making themselves look a little desperate to believe at this point. 16 pages, lol. Sad day for ATS.

Yes truly a sad day for ATS... 50% flaming and 50% curiosity.

As i've said earlier, possibilities, what can happen?
Could there be real abductions, is it a possibility?
Are we visited by something from another star system? (or several star systems).

If we are visited, what are the chances of there being abductions?

And just as a little sidenote for some of the flamers in this thread, if you are going to call someone a liar, perhaps, you might wish to show the evidence of s/he being a liar.

Now, i am not totally convinced that all people that claim they have been abducted is being truthfull of their claims.

The only thing i am doing is considering possibilities
And also by that, i let people have their own possibilities.

Drakiir I don't post here often but I read the forums every day without fail because I look to seek the answers in my mind. When I read this topic I had to reply.

I know I have been contacted but this would be hard to prove because it's like a new energy in your life and it's something hard to share in words. I have no memorys of being contacted other that the warm voice that I feel in me.

The answer is in the Link Drakiir provided it is staring you streight in the face I only needed to see the first few lines to understand what it ment. The whole point in this is to believe, Sombody telling you the answer would be pointless. There is a boundary of belief you have to cross in order to open up a whole new world.

I sometimes get feelings I do not understand but they are nice feelings and warm feelings. I can feel the earth as though it is part of me, I can look at the starry night and feel it is part of me. This is a very hard to describe feeling and I know it is beyond what I can explain. Maybe you can share your thought on this feeling Drakiir, Is it a feeling you have gone through too.

Maybe I am not ready to see yet, Maybe thats why I have no memory of contacting them other than the voice. I can comunicate with them through my mind but this takes a lot of energy and a lot of answers I get are far beyond what I understand so it kind of sends me into a trance and then it ends. I trie to go futher each time but my mind is filled with too much information to peice together but since reading this post so much is making sense.

This is not like a voice in my head, Its deeper than that it's like I get alterations in my body frequencies and then I feel a warm voice speaking to me, Not in my head but my whole body. Its like they are part of me and I am part of them Drakiir Im sure you know what I mean.

Now I am not here to prove aliens exist, I am here for answers this is the one topic in about 100.000 I have read that has related to me. It's my belief that is opening a new world to me and I don't feel I have to prove anything to anybody. If they don't believe then there never going to see the truth. look at the link he posted and open your mind once in a while.

Drakiir I feel I need to step up to the next level but can not get past the voice it's like I have to understand before I can move on. Was it like this for you or have I got something wrong.

I once felt like there was something in my room but I could not open my eyes, This was when I could hear the voice and sort of went into a trance. I am almost sure there was something in my room I could feel it(like whan you feel sombody is watching you) but I just could not open my eyes. Maybe I am wishing it to happen thats why it won't.



[edit on 11-2-2008 by psycho81]

Originally posted by psycho81


I know I have been contacted but this would be hard to prove because it's like a new energy in your life and it's something hard to share in words. I have no memorys of being contacted other that the warm voice that I feel in me.

There is a boundary of belief you have to cross in order to open up a whole new world.

I sometimes get feelings I do not understand but they are nice feelings and warm feelings. I can feel the earth as though it is part of me, I can look at the starry night and feel it is part of me. This is a very hard to describe feeling and I know it is beyond what I can explain.

Maybe I am not ready to see yet, Maybe thats why I have no memory of contacting them other than the voice. I can comunicate with them through my mind but this takes a lot of energy and a lot of answers I get are far beyond what I understand so it kind of sends me into a trance and then it ends. I trie to go futher each time but my mind is filled with too much information to peice together but since reading this post so much is making sense.

This is not like a voice in my head, Its deeper than that it's like I get alterations in my body frequencies and then I feel a warm voice speaking to me, Not in my head but my whole body. Its like they are part of me and I am part of them Drakiir Im sure you know what I mean.

It's my belief that is opening a new world to me and I don't feel I have to prove anything to anybody. If they don't believe then there never going to see the truth. look at the link he posted and open your mind once in a while.

Drakiir I feel I need to step up to the next level but can not get past the voice it's like I have to understand before I can move on. Was it like this for you or have I got something wrong.

I once felt like there was something in my room but I could not open my eyes, This was when I could hear the voice and sort of went into a trance. I am almost sure there was something in my room I could feel it(like whan you feel sombody is watching you) but I just could not open my eyes. Maybe I am wishing it to happen thats why it won't.



[edit on 11-2-2008 by psycho81]

This is exactly how I feel Im so glad you have posted. I have this feeling that I must move to the next level but I just don t know how to. I often look up into the sky and get this warm feeling of understanding, its not a voice as such but a communication. During the last six months these feelings have increased almost like an awakening but I am stuck unable to progress.

Ive had the paralysis where you just can t move but you know something is there. I was abducted over 5 years ago (thats the only time I can remember) and then I saw the alien 10 months after the abduction. It consumes your life, you search and search for answers and get none, but recently I have sensed a change. There is something I need to understand but I can t get to it. I do not need proof as I know in my heart it is true.

Please don t ask me for proof I have none. You must tell us why we feel this way Drakiir and what we need to do next.