Ukraine revolution: 150,000 Russian troops on alert as US warns Putin

masqua
update:

In Moscow, Russia's Foreign Ministry said that Russia was abiding by an agreement with Ukraine that sharply restricts troops movements, but acknowledged some unspecified troops movements, claiming they didn't violate the deal, the Interfax news agency reported.
In a statement, the local government said Crimean Prime Minister Anatoly Mogilyev had tried to negotiate with the gunmen but was told "they were not authorized to negotiate and present demands.”

www.cbc.ca...

Getting that Spetsnaz feeling...

Russia just wants peace MASQUA!! We ALL know putin is a peace prize winner!!
Russia only jails homosexuals!! They would never move against a sovereign nation themselves..!!
Russia had the sochi olympics!!!! They had the WINTER OLYMPICS!!! What timing just a few days after their
world wide watched sporting events of the GALAXY are they now moving troops to cusps the ukranians urning for freedom from mother russia!! HOW DARE THEM DAMN UKRANIANS DO THIS TO RUSSIA!!! They make putin look like a little bitch right now!!

stormcell

pavil
reply to post by CosmicDude

 

Does ANYONE really think Putin is shaking in his boots with President Obama? I'm pretty sure Putin finds him laughable as a world leader. What exactly would give you the impression that the current U.S. Administration would do anything to give Russia cause for worry?

I like the Ukraine and what they have done, I just doubt my President will give them anything more than lip service. I fear they may pay a very high price because of that. Hopefully the EU has more spine than President Obama on this.

On another website there is a quote by Putin: "Negotiating with Obama is like playing Chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over chess pieces, poops all over the chess board, then struts around as if it had won the game."

Funniest thing I've heard today!!! Can you source it please, would love to know if it's an actual quote.

stumason

swanne
I agree. Especially that Russia is now sharing its intelligence services with China - together, China and Russia would make a mighty force against the US, who still holds debts to China.

Think about that for a second - if Russia starts a war and drags China in, what do you think is going to happen to that debt they are owed by the US?

It's not like the US will honour it! The Chinese would stand to lose the trillions they have lent and it wouldn't affect the US one bit, because they'd be at War so wouldn't suffer from the markets thinking they backed out of the debt.

Think this through further. If the US nullifies all of the debt China has purchased in good faith, there'll be reciprocation of that in the form of China shutting down all imports to the US. If you think the US could go even two weeks without steady shipments from China, I have a bridge to sell you. The US would crumble almost immediately from a complete stoppage of all shipments from China and we'd get to see riots all throughout the US unlike anything we've ever seen. All that, and China wouldn't have had to fire a shot. China could wind things down there and actually see the sunrise again. Then they could put their people to work making their own country better and leave us here with no manufacturing and empty shelves in every store. China could then do very limited shipments for food programs just like the US likes to use for oil. The US sends shipments of rice, corn, and flour, and the Chinese will send very limited supplies of goods to keep the 1%ers pacified. China would watch silently as millions fought in the US and watch the death toll rise by the minute while reminding the American people that it was our government that did this to us.

I don't expect this to end well. It all depends on whether or not the Ukraine's military fights when Russian troops move into Crimea and probably a couple of the other, mainly ethnic Russian, Western provinces. Hopefully the Ukrainian military won't take any bait presented as Georgia's did and give Russia an excuse to move in - though I doubt they'll be waiting for one anyway. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is based in Crimea and a lot of the industry their military depends on is in the Ukraine so they have vital strategic interests at stake in the outcome of this situation.

Realistically, other than offer harsh words, there's nothing that can really be done by anyone else besides the Ukraine itself if Russia moves in troops. If they decide to fight, they definitely will be a bigger challenge than was Georgia. I think this is one of those cases where it's an internal problem and it would be in everyone else's best interests to not get involved. The easiest and, most likely, most non-violent solution would be to have a province by province referendum on whether to stay with Ukraine or join Russia. I don't think either side would agree to that though - especially Ukraine - as they would stand to lose some territory if that were to happen as well.

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Spetsnaz...

mike dangerously

999zxcv
all russia has to do is switch off the gas pipeline and sit back and wait within 7 days the west would be begging for help

and not a bullet fired

Funny how often they forget that little fact.I say do it! Let's see how willing the US government would be to help them.

LMAO! You think so eh? LMAO! You're gravely mistaken if you believe that nonsense. Guess what, there are these things called reserves, and if the public has to go without gas for awhile, which not even that will happen, it certainly will not stop NATO from operating. Plus, That pipeline only provides SOME of Europe's Oil.

As a matter of fact, If the Bolsheviks shut down that pipeline, that alone would bring about a force against them that they could never even imagine. The masters of puppets are just waiting for a reason, and it remains to be seen if Putin is foolish enough to give them one. ~$heopleNation

JohnPhoenix
WHO the HELL does Obama and his Black House think they are to tell Russia how they can or cannot rule their own people in their own country?

That's like if we had a civil war ( say north and south for instance Obama for the North), Russia would step in and say Nope Obama, you cannot step in and war with those folks in the South !

You think Obama would stand for this.. I think not.. thats once again how STUPID Obama is. We have no right to interfere at all even if millions of Russians on both sides are killed. No right at all !

I'm about as far from PC as possible without actually being a racist (although I'm sure many here would disagree about the racist part) but not cool man.

I understand the anger, it's justified, don't let it make ya stupid though.

999zxcv
all russia has to do is switch off the gas pipeline and sit back and wait within 7 days the west would be begging for help

and not a bullet fired

Europe... Europe would be begging for help. Russia has no impact on US energy supplies (other than being able to somewhat influence the global market) If all this is under control of the evil Americans as everyone say, why would America care that Europe is hurting? Wouldn't stop the nefarious american plans, would it?

Additionally it would hurt Russia, they do get paid for that fuel.

Aaaaaaaaand last, it alienates all of Europe, pushing them back into America's arms. If Russia ever wants to play big man on campus again, and be respected internationally, cutting the power to Europe would be the worst idea possible. It would gain them absolutely nothing that couldn't be gained by other means, and it would do significant damage to Russia in tons of different ways. If Ukraine is divided now, it's going full on western supporter if russia cuts the pipeline.

Putin isn't stupid, arrogant, but not stupid.

World leaders play the game of life a little different than normal people like you and I...

Sorry warmongers. Nothing is gonna happen here: www.thedailybeast.com...


Putin’s Bluff: U.S. Spies Say Russia Won't Invade Ukraine
A massive military exercise on the border of Ukraine has sparked panicked talk of a Russian invasion. Don’t worry, American intelligence sources say.
U.S. intelligence estimates conclude that Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine. This, despite the launch of a massive, new Russian military exercise near Ukraine’s border – and despite a series of public warnings from top American and NATO officials, suggesting serious concern about possible Russian military action.

On Wednesday Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, ordered 150,000 troops to take part in a military exercise his defense minister said was a routine test of combat readiness. A senior U.S. intelligence official told The Daily Beast that the timing of the military exercise, coming only days after the Ukrainian parliament voted to oust the pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, was suspicious. But nonetheless, U.S. intelligence agencies have collected no information suggesting the training exercises were preparation for an invasion.

“The mere fact of the timing when you consider what is going on in Ukraine and you see the sudden nature of the exercise would cause concern,” this official said. “From an intelligence perspective we don’t have any reason to think it’s more than military exercises."

The assessment is based in part on the fact that not enough medical units have been ordered to accompany the Russian troops to the Ukrainian border to suggest preparation for war, according to one Congressional staffer who has seen intelligence on Russia. This source also said no signal intercepts have detected plans for an invasion.

swanne
reply to post by rigel4

 

I agree. Especially that Russia is now sharing its intelligence services with China - together, China and Russia would make a mighty force against the US, who still holds debts to China.

edit on 26-2-2014 by swanne because: (no reason given)

Why do people keep bringing up our debt to China? It's nothing compared to our total debt, tons of which is owed to ourselves, BTW

Loans are also made with conditions...one of which is that you cannot randomly demand all your money back. It doesn't work that way.

Just like a credit card company cannot randomly demand all the money you owe them as long as you keep up with your payments, china cannot legally (or with force) demand their money back simply because they get upset. They get repaid in the manner which was decided.

If China gets too nutty, we just refuse to pay back the debt, and say "come and get it" (Hint: they have no way of coming and getting it)

alldaylong

MrSpad

Telos

rigel4

Telos

rigel4


Scary as it might sound, I believe we need stop Russia before they get any ideas about the
rest of the old Soviet States.

While we're on the subject.. it's about time Russia was told to
go swivel on their policy on Syria.. Putin's mafia is keeping Assad in power.

Hope the Russian people turn on Putin.

edit on 26-2-2014 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

Who is WE? And whoever that is, why do you feel compelled that We has the right to stop Russia or any country for that matter to take a certain action? Who gives WE the right to act as a world police and decide who does what? And who said Assad regime is the bad guys and not the rats of Al Qaida who fight against him are the good one?

edit on 26-2-2014 by Telos because: (no reason given)

WE in this case, are the Nato Alliance and Western Europe.
I guess you're just a kid or you would understand Divisions that still
divide East and West after the break of up of the old Soviet Union.

No actually I'm not a kid at all and I've lived very well the division between west and east, actually I was right in the middle of it. And don't be an hypocrite because NATO=USA. And Western Europe at the time being wouldn't give an rat's @ss about Russia or divisions of the past cold war. This war mongering mentality is typical american. Always feeling the need to interfere in other countries business and flexing the muscles and bullying around. Mind your own business America. Enough trouble you've cost around the world. Enough wars you've initiated around the world. Enough souls have gone lost because you feel you have the right to decide for the whole world. Just stay away and mind your own damn business...

If you know your history, you know that since the US has taken the role of world police it has been in fact the most peaceful time in human history.

Have you been drinking?

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And here are the wars between 1900-44. You can do the maths

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edit on 26-2-2014 by alldaylong because: (no reason given)

Are you sure you aren't drinking?

I counted a little over 120 wars from 1900-44, which includes TWO WORLD WARS

I counted about 80 from 1945-89, after Amerca came to global dominance there were NO WORLD WARS and LESS wars in total.

The facts you presented back up his statements that since the US has come to global dominance there has been more peace, if we are going to judge peace by the number of wars.

Whether or not you are comfortable with the means used to ensure that peace isn't the issue, the truth is the world is more peaceful since the US has been the world police. You only look at the conflicts the US is involved in, you never seem to mention the conflicts that were avoided due to US intervention.

My count might be a bit off, it was hard on the eyeballs, please correct me if I'm wrong (seriously, if I miscounted I'd appreciate a correction)

ElohimJD

Telos

No actually I'm not a kid at all and I've lived very well the division between west and east, actually I was right in the middle of it. And don't be an hypocrite because NATO=USA. And Western Europe at the time being wouldn't give an rat's @ss about Russia or divisions of the past cold war. This war mongering mentality is typical american. Always feeling the need to interfere in other countries business and flexing the muscles and bullying around. Mind your own business America. Enough trouble you've cost around the world. Enough wars you've initiated around the world. Enough souls have gone lost because you feel you have the right to decide for the whole world. Just stay away and mind your own damn business...

With what is about to occur over all the Earth; you will get your wish.

The USA will not act to stop what is coming this time, they will mind there own business, we (America) will be caught totally off guard, with our defenses down and completely knocked out first.

By the time the world sees/understands what has happened/is happening you will reflect back on this post and realize that what you are demanding is the complete opposite of what would have been the opportunity to save billions of lives; and how utterly backwards it will turn out to be in time; based on the reality around each human being on Earth.

Currently:
Money = Power

Once the global economic system collapses, and money is removed from the equation you are left with:
Power = Power

There are two nations (China/Russia) which have been preparing for what is about to occur and building up military assets/resources at alarming speeds, developing weapons that can penetrate all known US/NATO defensive systems (hyper-sonic speeds). They have numerous underground bunkers designed to house their populations for decades and those nations do not adhere to a form of standard christian morality as much as their opposition does (US/NATO), they are atheist by governmental decree; their leaders think according to the laws of nature (survival of the fittest) they understand overpopulation and the concerns it can generate for human beings in various environments.

These Nations are placing their faith in increased power.

US/NATO Nations have been doing the opposite. They are implementing local systems of control over their own people, reducing military spending at never before seen levels, firing soldiers and canceling military contracts; lowering defense shields around the globe due to budget changes in an attempt to save an already dead global economy.

They are choosing to remove their "power" to help prop up their "money"; They are placing their future faith in increased money.

But when money goes away, they are left in weakened power position.

MAD is no longer guaranteed. If the US is struck first, without notice; we can be rendered unable to perform retaliatory strikes to assure mutual destruction (hyper-sonic simultaneous nukes on abroad Naval assets and domestic civilian targets + high elevation EMP). The whole world can change in a single hour.

The power balance is removed and true survival of the fittest begins; the fittest being the nation with the most physical power WILLING TO USE IT. The USA is not willing to use what we have, after the global response the last time we did what other nations were unwilling to do in 1948 Japan; we must be nuked first, or we will never nuke another.

The devil you know (USA) sometimes is better then the devil you don't (Russia). But you would never "know" that until it is too late to go back.

"...were prepared for a year a month and a day for to slay 1/3rd of all mankind" (2 billion +)

God Bless,

Excellent post, probably the most reasonable and accurate of any on ATS

But I disagree on one issue, with a global financial collapse, China and Russia aren't going to just be sitting pretty while the US dies. Global financial collapse would have huge negative impacts on Russia and China. Russia already has a tiny, declining population with low morale, and a poorly trained military. China may have a giant population, but a bunch of rice farmers and iphone assemblers aren't going to mean much.

Then food comes into play, China cannot feed itself, period. They rely on massive amounts of food coming in all over the world. Financial collapse, that stops, China starves.

I wouldn't doubt Russia and/or china using a global collapse to expand their territory and influence, but they will be up chit creek worse than the US. The US can still feed itself. The US can still power itself (it's true) China can do neither.

Global collapse would definitely change things overnight, but it wouldn't give Russia or china any advantage over anyone beside weak neighbors (of which China might consider Russia one...)

Not to mention India and Pakistan... in a global free-for-all China is in a TERRIBLE place, geographically and figuratively. The US is nestled between two coasts, wide friendly country up north, and and really rough (geographically and socially) country down south.

The US has a really, really good seat at the bar, which has been instrumental in allowing America to become as powerful as it has.

And about the nuclear issue, Russia and China together would not be able to disable our nuclear strike capabilities. Nor would we be able to disable theirs. It's still the wildcard, a few super fast missiles won't change that.

rusblued9217
reply to post by 999zxcv

 

Why would the Russian Federation wish to shut off pipelines to the EU through Ukraine?
In order to stop the transit of LNG/brent crude to its main export market, the EU? (All major pipelines to the EU run via Ukraine, thus shutting them off means Russia cuts off pipelines to the EU)

I think it must be kids saying this stuff, because it shows a real lack of understanding on how things really work.

They don't understand China cannot simply demand all their money

They don't understand Russia won't just cut off the pipeline

They don't understand china won't just cut off exports to America.

All these ideas are ridiculous, which is why I suspect it's naive younger folks, we must remember for some reason the site admin allows actual children on this website.... for some really strange reason.

amkia
What Russian going to do in Ukraine are for their best “interests”, exactly the same way as US does for their “interests” around the globe while Ukraine is at Russian doorsteps.

How come what US dose is OK while Russian is not..?

Because all these people hate America, they don't hate America's actions.

Because if they truly hated America's actions,they would hate Russia just as much, which they don't.

Small minds thinking America is the only bad guy in the world. Just ignore them.

Telos

starfoxxx

Telos I'm not even going to dignify with a reply...

Really?? Well you just did!!!

No I did NOT !!! I commented on the rest of what he said but that.

Why does anyone feel the need to reply or comment when they don't understand squat?

If it keeps happening to you so often, it might be worth investing a little more time in the way you phrase things.

James1982

999zxcv
all russia has to do is switch off the gas pipeline and sit back and wait within 7 days the west would be begging for help

and not a bullet fired

Europe... Europe would be begging for help. Russia has no impact on US energy supplies (other than being able to somewhat influence the global market) If all this is under control of the evil Americans as everyone say, why would America care that Europe is hurting? Wouldn't stop the nefarious american plans, would it?
Additionally it would hurt Russia, they do get paid for that fuel.

Aaaaaaaaand last, it alienates all of Europe, pushing them back into America's arms. If Russia ever wants to play big man on campus again, and be respected internationally, cutting the power to Europe would be the worst idea possible. It would gain them absolutely nothing that couldn't be gained by other means, and it would do significant damage to Russia in tons of different ways. If Ukraine is divided now, it's going full on western supporter if russia cuts the pipeline.

Putin isn't stupid, arrogant, but not stupid.

World leaders play the game of life a little different than normal people like you and I...

well without the usa being involved the russians actually grow a lot of their own food the goverment gave them land for this they do not need the currency as much as we think russia needs the ukraine .

just like europe needs the gas that is why the fighting about pipelines going through syria and afganistan when they are up and running russia will be relagated anyway

reply to post by 999zxcv


James1982 is actually speaking the truth on certain points, just as you are as well, concerning how Russia provides food for their own population, they have a history of doing that, and they are a very resourceful people who are perfectly happy with surviving on potatoes and cabbage soup. I respect the Russians a lot actually.

However, any resources that Russia provides to the west, will make no difference whatsoever when, or if, war is ever declared. That is a reality that some people need to just accept, because it is exactly just that, reality. The West can fight a two or three front war, without any help from Russian exports whatsoever.

You probably already understand that, but I also understand why you are trying to imply that somehow that is not the case. For whatever reason that is my friend. ~$heopleNation

999zxcv
well without the usa being involved the russians actually grow a lot of their own food the goverment gave them land for this they do not need the currency as much as we think russia needs the ukraine .

just like europe needs the gas that is why the fighting about pipelines going through syria and afganistan when they are up and running russia will be relagated anyway

I never said anything about Russia and food. I said China would starve without food imports.

And just because many russians grow their own food (taking your word for it) has no impact on their need for an income as a nation. Governments need money to function, Russia relies heavily on energy exports, they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot (more like the head or torso) by cutting off the pipeline.

Dozens of armed men in military uniforms have reportedly seized an airport in Ukraine's strategic Crimea region.
Witnesses told the Interfax news agency that the 50 or so men, seen early Friday, were wearing the same gear as those who seized government buildings in the regional capital of Simferopol on Thursday and raised the Russian flag.

The report says the men with "Russian navy ensigns" surrounded the Simferopol Airport's domestic flights terminal.

www.cbc.ca...



Well… it sure looks like it’s ‘Game On’.

Government buildings occupied

Road blocks

Airport



Yup

reply to post by masqua


Now..if our side can just stay cool and let Russia tend to their own business, in their own backyard.....all will end well, under the circumstances. It doesn't sound like anything has gotten out of hand, yet.

(crosses paws for luck)