Loretta Fuddy Death - Obama Birth Certificate. - New evidence

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Wow. 20.

Well, here's a link to the still images from the 2nd youtube: butterdezillion.wordpress.com...

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I hit enter and i think it deleted what I had so if this is a duplicate my apologies. Here is a link to the Maui County Fire Dept's incident report, where it can be seen that the 4:40 report of one dead was before anybody would have known that:

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How do I get back to the whole thread, rather than just the reply screen? And where are private messages viewed?

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The USCG and FAA (and initially Hawaii DOT) are giving me the runaround on getting official documents. My email to the FAA was stolen from my computer.

butterdezillion
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Wow. 20.

Well, here's a link to the still images from the 2nd youtube: butterdezillion.wordpress.com...

In your still pics near the end you say that Kawasaki’s arms are both in front of him....they are not. That is a reflection from the water of his arm making it appear to be two arms.....that is his arm coming off the back left of his body.

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HDOH's Kalaupapa Administrator claimed that a navy helicopter doing touch-and-goes at the time of the incident reported it. That doesn't mesh with Josh Lang's claims, but we do know that there was a Navy Seahawk at the site because there is a photograph of it. So we've got the claim from Josh Lang that he was swooping low to the water to "comfort" the victims, and we've also got the claim that a navy Seahawk was swooping low to do touch-and-goes. Lang said there was nobody at the airport when he went to check, so if those touch-and-goes were not being done on the runway the Seahawk may have been swooping low to the water. The images in the videos show what appears to be different kinds of equipments and divers. The significance of the Seahawk is that it is designed to do helicasting - delivering people to and from the ground/water. One of the reasons people insisted that the black-and-yellow shape that came up to Fuddy couldn't be a diver is because there would have been no way to get a diver to that precise location at that precise time. If there was a Seahawk there, that problem is eliminated.

If the Seahawk was delivering divers to the area it would explain why Josh Lang's image is photoshopped. (I did experiments to see if the angles in that photo could have resulted in that "door shadow" on the roof, and they couldn't have. On my blog I've got images that show other photoshop anomalies, such as the "turbulence" spilling over into the strobe light on the plane's right tailpiece, the misplacement and crookedness of the bump on the top of the plane, etc That post is at butterdezillion.wordpress.com... ). The point of his photos was to show that the ocean was empty except for the crashed plane and his own plane. But if the area was really empty then why did he have to photoshop the close-up of the plane? I suspect that real photos of the area would have shown the Seahawk helicasting divers.

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No. If you look at ZZ and ZZA you can see that one of them shows the arm that is clearly coming out of Kawasaki's right sleeve being on the top of the other arm, and the other shows it being below the other arm. Reflections wouldn't do that.

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The Cessna 208B has a very reliable engine. What I've seen of the NTSB's investigations regarding Cessna 208B engine failures is that by Oct 20, 2013, in the 20+ years since the 1980's when the 208B came out, there had been 2 NTSB investigations showing engine failure on commercial planes - one resulting from fuel problems and the other I can't remember what the cause was.

On Oct 21st there was a Cessna 208b plane crash off Maui where the plane safely landed on a highway. Because there were sparks reported, the NTSB was required to treat the fuselage as a crime scene. But they left it unattended overnight and in one report the NTSB's representative said that the plane's owners - Mokulele Air - was responsible for moving the aircraft if they decided there was going to be an investigation.

Then, of course, the Makani Kai 208B crashed off Kalaupapa on Dec 11, 2013. So within 25 miles and 50 days of each other, the NTSB DOUBLED the total number of engine failure investigations from over 20 years of investigation.

And the NTSB immediately said that the plane was unrecoverable. It was recovered by the plane's owner - Makani Kai, under Richard Schumann. But though it went into the water nearly intact, as far as we can tell, it came out of the water a week later a total wreck, with the engine totally separated from the rest of the fuselage.

So again, the NTSB failed to secure the evidence as if it was a crime scene, instead allowing the plane's owner to potentially contaminate the evidence. That's twice the NTSB did that for the Cessna 208B within 50 days and 25 miles of each other.

In both instances the pilot was loudly praised but not initially named. In the Mokulele Express crash the pilot was NEVER named.

Which is an interesting fact, given that Richard Kawasaki has been claimed to be a Makani Kai pilot for the past year (or two, depending on who the source is) but the Makani Kai web pages listing the pilots had never listed Kawasaki as their pilot, even though the pilots' list had been updated at least three times, in the 12 months before the Dec 11th Cessna crash according to archive.org's screenshots over that time period.

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In this crash there are 2 aircraft which were said to have "coincidentally" been in the area during that time - the Navy Seahawk doing touch-and-goes, according to Mark Miller, and Josh Lang.

I've already mentioned the potential significance of the Seahawk.

What about Lang? Lang has some very interesting Facebook friends (people who specifically said that Josh Lang is their friend, not just somebody who likes these people) including (among others I won't go into) :

1. Erin Billings, who works for the Podesta Group and headed up its coverage of Obama's 2008 campaign. Look up a bio of Erin Billings and John Podesta and see how connected this is to Obama.

2. Keith Langley, who has had IT contracts with DHS, Veterans Affairs, and investigations of major banks in bankruptcy.

3. Philippe Furstenburg, who heads up the security details for the Department of State.

4. Tim Conner, who is a contractor for the State Department.

5. Tom Conner, whose girlfriend works at the White House so that she and Tom had their photo taken with Barack and Michelle at the 2013 White House Christmas Party.

There are others too, but you may get the point from just these: Lang is closely connected to the Obama political/bureaucratic machine. For him to just happen to be there at the time is a MIGHTY coincidence indeed.

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ABC pixelated these mp4 files the same day as I sent a private mail message in Free Republic to my ping list, asking them to save a copy of the ABC files before they got disappeared. Someone who harasses me at my blog claims to be a trusted friend at Free Republic who has "sock puppets" to feed disinformation to "birthers". Sure seems to me like somebody on my ping list let ABC know they better pixelate the evidence. Fortunately, I still have the Bandicam recordings which were taken before ABC was warned to pixelate their files.

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excellent info....

thank you !!

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Maui County (which includes the islands of Maui, Molokai, and Lanai) doesn't have a coroner. The Maui County police chief is the acting coroner. The day after the crash, Lt William Juan, the spokesman for the MCPD, stated to the press that Fuddy's body had been retrieved from the wreckage. The coroner is supposed to get the reports straight from the primary sources. Did the USCG rescuers tell the MCPD that Fuddy was trapped inside the fuselage? If so, then why did they tell the press that they lifted her from the water - which JSCG swimmers are not allowed to do if somebody is trapped in the wreckage?

It almost seems as if - in addition to the death being reported before it could have been known - there were different cover stories that got mixed up by the various people involved.

butterdezillion
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The USCG and FAA (and initially Hawaii DOT) are giving me the runaround on getting official documents. My email to the FAA was stolen from my computer.

There was a photo of 1 of the Coast Guard crewman on the C-130 that looks suspicious to me. I'll post it below. He looks like he's in a trance. Also there's a photo to help you figure out the site. Thanks for posting the Maui Fire Department report! Did you know that Loretta Fuddys' step-mom also worked for the Hawaii Department of Health? Computer programming....

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The USCG rescue swimmer who says he first came upon Fuddy, PJ Ornott, told the media that she was not responsive and the protocols say that he had to move on to others. But the actual protocols - which were recently changed to allow even these denials of care - say that you only deny CPR to a person if their head, heart, lungs, or liver are separated from the rest of their body, if they are in rigor mortis (stiffness which sets in at 2 hours at room temperature), or have fluid settling into the lowest part of their body (I forget what the technical term for it is), which also sets in at about 2 hours after death.

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Fuddy's brother-in-law, Scotty Schaefer, is an EMT with the EMS service for Molokai's hospital. In one of the reports he said that he was on the ground helping victims of the crash when he learned that one of the victims was a relative. But the MCFD report says that transport was done by MCFD and USCG. Molokai Hospital's EMS service was not mentioned, if I recall correctly. It was also stated that Fuddy's body was identified by relatives at the airport on Molokai (I forget the name of that airport). The number of people who would have had to claim to see Fuddy's body is very small.

Gary L. Gill, the new Deputy Director of Health has connections to the East West Center. The same East West Center as Ann Dunham, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Loretta Fuddy, Eleanor Cole Nordyke, Mohammed Sobud, and many others do.

hawaii.gov...

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Lavidity is the term you're looking for or Livor Mortis which occurs along with rigor mortis and is one component used to determine time of death.

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As I mentioned before, the acting coroner was the Maui County Police Chief. The MCPD publicly stated that the NTSB was in charge of the autopsy and releasing the results. The NTSB stated that the MCPD was in charge of that(BTW, some reports said the body was taken to Molokai and some said it was taken to Maui... It was said to have been flown from Molokai to Oahu with great fanfare after the autopsy). So the MCPD was not eager to take responsibility for the autopsy, at all.

At the time that the cause of death was being determined Michelle Obama had made a spur-of-the=moment decision to stay at Oprah's house on Maui.... with one of the newsbabes, with Valerie Jarrett (the one who tells Obama what to do...) AND the wife of Attorney General Eric Holder. Michelle Obama stayed indefinitely but IIRC it was the day after Fuddy's cause of death was announced by the MCPD that it was made publicly known that she would be flying back to DC within the next day or two. While she was there, the locals complained of the congestion in the area because the MCPD was having to do security for Michelle Obama.

No pressure there. None at all. /s

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Thank you. Bill Cosby would say I needed to walk into another room and sit down, and then my memory would be jogged... lol

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Very interesting. And right after the crash, Yamamoto was put on "leave", so he could deal with the trauma.

As you saw, he was watching as all this stuff happened.