I met a fully Enlightened "Buddha". Here's what he said:

reply to post by kauskau


The OP introduced that term, I merely repeated it to address his statement. In regards to enlightenment Buddha said he searched his entire life yet still never learned the truth.

reply to post by yamammasamonkey


no thats not what buddha said..show me the quote..

yamammasamonkey
reply to post by kauskau

 

The OP introduced that term, I merely repeated it to address his statement. In regards to enlightenment Buddha said he searched his entire life yet still never learned the truth.

Actually the first man he met after gaining full Enlightenment asked The Buddha what had changed about him, because he could tell something was different. The Buddha replied "I am the perfectly Enlightened being" (obviously this was not an egotistical statement, someone asked and he gave an honest answer), the guy laughed in his face and said "Yeah, sure lol"

Stormdancer777

practicing meditation eventual brings you to no need for meditation or the concerted effort to practice, because you are in that state constantly and naturally, life.

That's true.

A Theravadin monk once told a story about an encounter he had with my teacher, who is a very accomplished lama, not famous in the ordinary way but more of a lama's lama, known to the experts, but whom I won't name because he is quite elderly now and I don't want to put him in the position of having to answer for what I write.

I said that I had been a virtual slave to him for a period of years but I hasten to add that I am still with him and that he was a better father to me than my own father and a better mother to me than my own mother. I have been very distressed about his eventual passing for a couple of years now.

The monk asked him in a playful way if he had realized Shunyata. He said that he had but that he lost it again. The monk asked him where he lost it. He said, "In Shunyata."

A teaching moment.

Live and love in hormony. Embrace fear and overcome, Seek truth and justice.
Remain on the path of Justice, For Justice is the correct path. Seek equality and deny grandour
If morality is what you seek. It is much easier to find it within yourself than seeking it from budas.

What is enlightenment? It is not trancendence, it is a state of unbiased perception.
I find it sad, people spending lifetimes seeking inner peace and proper morality.
You should know in your heart was is the good thing to do and the bad thing to do.
Do not throw away your ego, I am here saying you can keep it.
Define respect, and utilize it when speaking through the ego, always remember this.

The ego dies at the end of this life, but with it you use it to create your story your unwritten novel.
Without a personality you would be a carbon copy of any other identical human without a personality.

Know in your heart what is good and bad.
Know that if you can help someone, without hurting yourself (unless life and death situation) do it.
If you feel that spreading useful information ex Borax cures dandriff, Don't drink sodium fluride, Aspartame,
Learn more about agriculture/ ect ect you should.

Remaining positive so that we don't negatively effect those around us, Not responding with hostility when violence can be avoided.

Remaining faithful and loyal to loved ones and close friends so that you do not hurt them. Maintain respect for others, and respect for yourself. When you act on the lines of proper morality, you create happiness for many people including yourself.

But beyond all this, I'm not going to preach about the light being good and the dark being evil. It's extremely silly to me because i see them are 2 different states of existance living within this universe not entirely invisible but cannot be grabbed and extracted by matter by regular means, so as to not effect the physical plane of expanded matter. Expanded matter is all physical mass in the universe. The realm of compressed matter through the destruction of expanded matter allows mass to be folded in space time, Giving the appearence of blackness within space and allowing freedom for mass to always exist despite it being destroyed and expelled later on. The delicate balence between *light and dark* allow the universe to exist.

Death is only a blink in the eyes of time. And earth is only a breath in the lungs of space, and when space exhales that breath will be no more. But another breath will come, And from seemingly nothingness such as air *even tho we define it as clear, it truely isn't for the sky is blue because of the air. And the night sky is black because of whats filling it.

Yeah, i will not tell you to follow a path of light or dark. But to expand upon and understand that all is one, And evil only exists as personal actions we do not define them by shades and colors. Heratics and false prophets do such things. For they are biased and therefore non enlightened. It is their fear, and lies about their fears that create the one sidededness, And the universe is a rainbow of things, in physical mass we cannot define something as good or evil. Things can be dangerous or safe, But never evil. It is the intention of individuals that create such evils, A tree falling on a man is unfortunate but not evil, Just dangerous and unsafe If every tree fell on a person and exterminated the humans species than it would genocide and we could (even dead) define it as evil at that point. But you see what i am saying. A gun is not evil only the intention of the user.

Therefore light is nore good nore bad because it is not a person, The light is not a living being. Neither is the night.
There may be creatures who have converted consious into either or ( Radiation) or (sub-atomic particles) Obviously there is more dark in the universe than there is mass and so black matter and black energy enevitably lasts longer than radiation(light).

There are different stages of plasma as well, And so there are many paths to trancendence tho not all of the equal.
If you truely desire to become radiation by all means. Stand outside every night until some glowing being shows up and ask to use their resurection technology and become one of them ( if you can find one and manage to convince it, tho there are lots of beings parading around as such because of religious context) Djin or w.e you can define them as. They are space travellers and they come to our planet for different reasons. Beyond all this if its true or not. I have never seen a light being before.
But i have seen a *skinwalker* characterized as being blacker than black and able to shapeshift.
I did see it turn from its solid jet black panther form into a pale faceless naked numanoid, i guess people describe it as the naked running man? Well instead i saw it crawling on all fours, was with my friend at the time. Heard sounds that sounded like a baby crying, So all that stuff the *Lore* about skinwalkers is pretty accurate at least concurning that stuff.

The ability to teleport, distort time and invisibilty as well as a *veil* preventing harm ( cannot be killed by bullets or other rounds) Speaks through emotional telepathy, explaining when people have sighting forgoing a feeling of doom and dread, is emotional telepathy. They are able to exchance the emotion with another one almost instantly, they can fill you with happiness and calmness, fill you with seriousness or fear, this emotional telepathy can shock your nervous system so that you feel frozen.

Beyond all this, What are you truely seeking. Is it truth? The truth is always hardest to find. Do you want superpowers? You could attain somewhat to a degree from training with monks, But a monk is not a tranceded living being and never will be.
It requires advanced technology, To convert your physical body into stable consious plasma/energy/mass.

All a budda will teach you is how to forget to be yourself, well they dwell on nothingness clinging to the light.
It is a vicious cycle that does not end until you die. And the wisest of monks know this, but accept this...

reply to post by ipsedixit


That's beautiful, isn't it?

AnuTyr
It is much easier to find it within yourself than seeking it from budas.

Buddha's ask you to seek it within yourself.

AnuTyr
What is enlightenment? It is not trancendence, it is a state of unbiased perception.

No it's not, it's transcending the need for earthly pleasures. It's meant to be pure bliss.

AnuTyr
I find it sad, people spending lifetimes seeking inner peace and proper morality.

Not enough people do

AnuTyr
You should know in your heart was is the good thing to do and the bad thing to do.
Do not throw away your ego, I am here saying you can keep it.
Define respect, and utilize it when speaking through the ego, always remember this.
The ego dies at the end of this life, but with it you use it to create your story your unwritten novel.
Without a personality you would be a carbon copy of any other identical human without a personality.

Ego is not personality, ego is saying, I want a big car with a big engine because it will make me look like a badass. I want to get with the hottest girl because I'm freaking awesome!

The world does not need this.

AnuTyr
If you feel that spreading useful information ex Borax cures dandriff, Don't drink sodium fluride, Aspartame,
Learn more about agriculture/ ect ect you should.

In no way does Buddhism not want you to learn.

AnuTyr
Remaining positive so that we don't negatively effect those around us, Not responding with hostility when violence can be avoided.

Remaining faithful and loyal to loved ones and close friends so that you do not hurt them. Maintain respect for others, and respect for yourself. When you act on the lines of proper morality, you create happiness for many people including yourself.

This is what Buddhism guides people to achieve

AnuTyr
But beyond all this, I'm not going to preach about the light being good and the dark being evil. It's extremely silly to me because i see them are 2 different states of existance living within this universe not entirely invisible but cannot be grabbed and extracted by matter by regular means, so as to not effect the physical plane of expanded matter. Expanded matter is all physical mass in the universe. The realm of compressed matter through the destruction of expanded matter allows mass to be folded in space time, Giving the appearence of blackness within space and allowing freedom for mass to always exist despite it being destroyed and expelled later on. The delicate balence between *light and dark* allow the universe to exist.

Death is only a blink in the eyes of time. And earth is only a breath in the lungs of space, and when space exhales that breath will be no more. But another breath will come, And from seemingly nothingness such as air *even tho we define it as clear, it truely isn't for the sky is blue because of the air. And the night sky is black because of whats filling it.

Yeah, i will not tell you to follow a path of light or dark. But to expand upon and understand that all is one, And evil only exists as personal actions we do not define them by shades and colors. Heratics and false prophets do such things. For they are biased and therefore non enlightened. It is their fear, and lies about their fears that create the one sidededness, And the universe is a rainbow of things, in physical mass we cannot define something as good or evil. Things can be dangerous or safe, But never evil. It is the intention of individuals that create such evils, A tree falling on a man is unfortunate but not evil, Just dangerous and unsafe If every tree fell on a person and exterminated the humans species than it would genocide and we could (even dead) define it as evil at that point. But you see what i am saying. A gun is not evil only the intention of the user.

Therefore light is nore good nore bad because it is not a person, The light is not a living being. Neither is the night.
There may be creatures who have converted consious into either or ( Radiation) or (sub-atomic particles) Obviously there is more dark in the universe than there is mass and so black matter and black energy enevitably lasts longer than radiation(light).

There are different stages of plasma as well, And so there are many paths to trancendence tho not all of the equal.
If you truely desire to become radiation by all means. Stand outside every night until some glowing being shows up and ask to use their resurection technology and become one of them ( if you can find one and manage to convince it, tho there are lots of beings parading around as such because of religious context) Djin or w.e you can define them as. They are space travellers and they come to our planet for different reasons. Beyond all this if its true or not. I have never seen a light being before.
But i have seen a *skinwalker* characterized as being blacker than black and able to shapeshift.
I did see it turn from its solid jet black panther form into a pale faceless naked numanoid, i guess people describe it as the naked running man? Well instead i saw it crawling on all fours, was with my friend at the time. Heard sounds that sounded like a baby crying, So all that stuff the *Lore* about skinwalkers is pretty accurate at least concurning that stuff.

The ability to teleport, distort time and invisibilty as well as a *veil* preventing harm ( cannot be killed by bullets or other rounds) Speaks through emotional telepathy, explaining when people have sighting forgoing a feeling of doom and dread, is emotional telepathy. They are able to exchance the emotion with another one almost instantly, they can fill you with happiness and calmness, fill you with seriousness or fear, this emotional telepathy can shock your nervous system so that you feel frozen.

Beyond all this, What are you truely seeking. Is it truth? The truth is always hardest to find. Do you want superpowers? You could attain somewhat to a degree from training with monks, But a monk is not a tranceded living being and never will be.
It requires advanced technology, To convert your physical body into stable consious plasma/energy/mass.

All a budda will teach you is how to forget to be yourself, well they dwell on nothingness clinging to the light.
It is a vicious cycle that does not end until you die. And the wisest of monks know this, but accept this...

I don't think you understand Buddhism very well... Lots of science, physics and new discoveries actually compliment what Buddhism teaches.

They teach that everything is in flux, forever changing, vibrating and is not one state until you interact with it.
So does experimental physics, look up the dual slit theory.

You seem to confused Buddhism with Islam at some points as well.. Djin? Buddhists don't teach that lol Buddhists don't teach of a creator or really anyhting too mystical. (not in my order anyway) we recognise that the demon Mara is just what psychologists might call the "Shadow Self"

Buddhism does not close minds to limited possibilities, it teaches you to open your mind to ALL possibilities. It teaches you to overcome your cravings, your addictions, your sorrow and your anger... The Buddha was once asked "What have you gained from meditation?", to which he replied "Nothing, but what I have lost is anger, anxiety, depression, insecurity, fear of old age and death"

Believe what you will, that is your choice.

reject
reply to post by dominicus

 

The problem I have with these belief systems is that there is no empirical evidence.

You have to take their word for it.

It's faith or else...

Everyone says there are "manifestations" when you reach a certain level.

But supposed siddhis have been outdone by this performer:

Thank you. When the Christians come in and talk about spirituality, they get blasted, attacked, and cross-examined. Talk about Buddhism however and it's all sunshine and rainbows from the community. I find the OP fascinating, don't get me wrong. But, if it were virtually any other "religion" there would be countless demands for peer-reviewed source citation for every point, scientific evidence for the existence of chackras (sp?), and a full scale historical examination of every mistep that Buddhism has ever made. Just an observation.

reply to post by iRoyalty


Budism is fantastic because it can align you to other things, I'm simply stating that Budism is used as an outlet by shmucks to rip people off and intergrate their own belief systems outside of core budism.

Everyone wants to be a star, Weither its on TV or in mainstream spirituality. The basic principals of morality and understanding are generic within budism. With added mystisim with chakras and a bunch of other visualization techniques used for trances and *chi* work that also exist within hinduism and various other middle eastern cultures. I wasin't specifying Islam.

I'm not an expert on budism or all religions for the matter, truth be told religion never really interested me at all until i saw ETs. i'v had to rethink my whole existance and beliefs, as well as my widening perception. iv lived a paranormal life but it didnt escilate that much until then. I hardly remember what it was like to be in that box that many people dwell within. But i am always aware i am in space, and i know i will one day i will beable to hover over earth and view Sol in all its beauty.

www.vocabulary.com...

Your ego is your conscious mind, the part of your identity that you consider your "self." If you say someone has "a big ego," then you are saying he is too full of himself. Poor ego, it gets such a bad rap, being so often confused with "megalomania" and "vanity" and all kinds of other nasty things, but strictly speaking it is only a psychological term popularized by Freud meaning the conscious (as opposed to the unconscious) mind, or the awareness of one's own identity and existence. Nothing wrong in that, is there?

en.wikipedia.org...

Ego From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Look up ego in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. See also: Egoism (disambiguation) "Ego" is a Latin and Greek (ἑγώ) word meaning "I", often used in English to mean the "self", "identity" or other related concepts. It may also refer to: Ego, one of the three constructs in Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche Ego (religion), as defined in various religions in relationship to self, soul etc.

But when i was referring to ego i literally meant what the definition of the word is. It is idenity, consiousness that says i. That is me thinking.
Not nessisarly vanity. I am saying people can keep their ego, their identity.

reply to post by dominicus

You know what?

I need to find myself a Buddha and ask them fellows some questions even if its just for recipes on cooking, I however do not use or am all that families with the terminologies they, or you use. I get what your talking about as I see and get all kinds of weird stuff and the whole energy thing, I mean if you look close you can see a clear like halo surrounding you body, which is not that different then if you were to look close in summer at the sidewalk, you could see the heat dissipate of it.

But like some have said, not only do I believe that there are many path to enlightenment, but I also believe that ultimately it is the only place you can go, like the many rivers of the world all eventually leading to the ocean. Some paths are merely twisty and topsy turvy but all eventually lead there. I suppose then it would only be a matter of answering the question enlightened to what? Some things are not pretty to see, or to know, or be in the same vibration with, seems like these Buddhas fellows are only attuned to one sort of thing, the less chaotic enlightenment's I would say. Sounds groovy.

reply to post by AnuTyr

Ya dude people took the whole ego thing to new heights. Ego just literately means "I" and that is exactly what it means, hence everybody has an ego. I suppose the whole concept got mismatched and blended, the general term would be "he has a big ego" or "she has a big ego" As prelude to better define what exactly your trying to say or get through.

The whole ego thing now a days is just mashed in there with popular culture and so when somebody says they have an "ego" it all of a sudden some big deal when in fact everybody has an ego, and they may as well so and so name is "whatever there name is" Its merely a label that means I. Maybe clarifications should be made to better express what they mean by all that, because in general the people with the biggest egos are those who do not believe they have an ego. A trait and mistake everybody has been guilty off at one time or another.

reply to post by mantisfortress


Christians do find a lot of confrontation over their religion. I think they find what they are looking for. When you tell everyone else they're wrong and you're right eventually someones gonna want some proof.

Most Christians ( mind you, I said most) seem to be on some stuff so far from what Jesus originally taught. That's where I gave up on it in a way. They tend to lean towards condemnation rather than forgiveness. Like I said, that is not all of them, just most I have come in contact with. Those may not be true Christians, but they are the most outspoken part of the group by a long shot.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


you wouldn't be human without an ego to say the least, you may look human but you would be a potato. lol
Without self realization what would you be, an ant in a colony?



I think this is relavent.



Thanks for the contribution btw

yamammasamonkey
Even Buddah himself did not claim to be fully enlightened. In fact he believed it was not achievable. This fella you met is full of himself (which on it's own negates his claim) and also full of something else.

I think its merely a matter of speech and interpretations, the literal and what you can take from the meaning of the word that is not literal. As such I do not think you could be as you call it fully enlightened and still hold on to this plane of reality, it would literally be akin to waking up from a dream and getting up and doing you morning routine, or reaching the end of a movie were at you stand up and walk away back to wherever your going and doing. It literally is just means nothing, if they were really enlightened they probably would not say anything and just move on, but in buhisim and other sects there are even categorizations on that.

Besides there is another quote by another that say something along the lines of “If you meet the Buddha, kill him.”– Linji

Which again just literally means that you should put some pressure on this Buddha, and also unilaterally means get over yourself and move on as there are and were many Buddhas on the path but no "the Buddha" Just like there many Elvis'es in Vegas, but no one true the Elvis.

Merely words used to represent something, as such any sort of meaning be it higher or lower gets trapped in the conventional translation and very meaning of the word. Its like arguing about the literal pronunciation of Potatoes and Potatoes or Tomatoes and Tomatoes. So I dont know somehow I think the word Buddha got mixed up with the literal translation and meaning of enlightened in many cultures. But there are a variety of words and tittles and jargon you could use to mean the same sort of thing. I mean what is the difference between a zen master, and a Buddha, but the terms and language they use?

reply to post by AnuTyr

you wouldn't be human without an ego to say the least, you may look human but you would be a potato. lol Without self realization what would you be, an ant in a colony?

Hey I am not a potato, I am a POTATO. There is a difference, the A is merely pronounced with a heavier accent and tone. But for all I know I could be "the potato" which all other potato were conceived from. However I would not know because I am just a potato and would not be enlightened enough to contemplate that.

Bundy
reply to post by mantisfortress

 

Christians do find a lot of confrontation over their religion. I think they find what they are looking for. When you tell everyone else they're wrong and you're right eventually someones gonna want some proof.

Most Christians ( mind you, I said most) seem to be on some stuff so far from what Jesus originally taught. That's where I gave up on it in a way. They tend to lean towards condemnation rather than forgiveness. Like I said, that is not all of them, just most I have come in contact with. Those may not be true Christians, but they are the most outspoken part of the group by a long shot.

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True. I agree on many levels. Star for you sir.

To those ignorants asking for pictures proving enlightenment, I shall make this point very clear:

Enlightenment or Buddhahood, is a state of life, a state of being. Something any human being can attain and by no means supernatural. Our conscious mind projects itself into the 9 lower worlds while being latent in the 10th world "Buddhahood." Just like there are 9 planets and the Sun, same applies in Buddhism there are 10 Worlds:

1. Hell
+ Really understanding what the state of hell feels like can lead to the desire and wisdom to help others.

- Ultimately is a life state of suffering, illustrated by depression, despair and self-destructive tendencies.

2. Hunger
+ The desire to live and achieve goals; yearning to improve things for yourself and others.

- Greed and the continuous unsatisfied desire for power, sex, money and so on.

3. Animality
+ The normal instinct to survive (sleep, eat, make love) and to protect and nurture life.

- Acting only from instinct, threatening the weak and fearing the strong; pleasure-seeking, living only in the present.

4. Anger
+ Passion to fight injustice and create a better world; a creative force for change.

- A state of egotism and self-righteousness, in which we cannot bear to lose. This will inevitably result in conflict.

5. Humanity, or Tranquility
+ At peace and in control of desires; ability to act with reason and humanity.

- A state of inactivity; unwillingness to tackle problems; thus leading to decline and negligence.

6. Rapture, or Heaven
+ Intense pleasure and happiness; heightened awareness and feeling glad to be alive.

- As it results from the achievement of desires, such happiness is short-lived. The wish for it to continue can lead to excess (drugs, materialism) and a weak, dependent attitude towards life.

7. Learning
+ Striving for self-improvement by learning new concepts through studying the teachings of others. This is the basis for realization.

- The tendency to become self-centred, to cut off from the daily realities of life or develop a dismissive attitude towards others with less knowledge.

8. Realization
+ Gaining wisdom and insight through the effects of learning and by observing the world.

- Lacking a broad view of life due to self-absorption; arrogance (i.e. 'I know best').

9. Bodhisattva
The word consists of bodhi (enlightenment) and sattva (beings) and means someone who seeks enlightenment for themselves and others.

+ Compassion or acting selflessly for other people, without expecting a reward.

- Becoming 'a martyr to the cause', neglecting our own life or health and ultimately feeling pity or contempt for those we are trying to help.

10. Buddhahood
+ Wisdom, compassion, courage, life force which illuminates the positive aspects of each of the other nine worlds.

This life state is only positive.

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I understand the human need to try and classify and order things in order to make sense of them. The people who hold on to these classifications are structure/functionalists. A good example of this is the Sigmund Freud division of human psychology into three parts -- The Id, Ego, and Superego. It's nice to think that anything can be divided up into nice, easy to understand and potentially controllable parts. The simplicity gives people hope. Sounds like the ersatz bodhisattva described by the OP gained a lot of self-satisfaction in being able to classify existence the way he did. A lot of peace in his mind.

However... it's all crap. It's nonsense. Existence is a continuum. Reality is not made of components. It is a single whole. One plus one equals one. So the holy man described, like most holy men, is just as clueless as everyone else when it comes to understanding existence.

My only suggestion to anyone looking for enlightenment or peace is to try and come to peace with the fact that there is no enlightenment or peace. That's the best any of us can do. And then the mystery.

Blue Shift
I understand the human need to try and classify and order things in order to make sense of them. The people who hold on to these classifications are structure/functionalists. A good example of this is the Sigmund Freud division of human psychology into three parts -- The Id, Ego, and Superego. It's nice to think that anything can be divided up into nice, easy to understand and potentially controllable parts. The simplicity gives people hope. Sounds like the ersatz bodhisattva described by the OP gained a lot of self-satisfaction in being able to classify existence the way he did. A lot of peace in his mind.

However... it's all crap. It's nonsense. Existence is a continuum. Reality is not made of components. It is a single whole. One plus one equals one. So the holy man described, like most holy men, is just as clueless as everyone else when it comes to understanding existence.

My only suggestion to anyone looking for enlightenment or peace is to try and come to peace with the fact that there is no enlightenment or peace. That's the best any of us can do. And then the mystery.

Actually, the fundamental insight of Buddhism is that there is suffering. The Buddha acknowledged this, and suggested that there is a prescription that can alleviate suffering. You are half way to becoming a Buddhist. The OP is well on his way to a bad reincarnation.

Very lucky person indeed, great share OP :-) S&F ...