I met a fully Enlightened "Buddha". Here's what he said:

reply to post by dominicus


That is awesome.

Thanks for sharing your experience with us... much appreciated!

FlyersFan
I've read some of what you said in Light of Consciousness magazine - Swami Amar Jyoti
I like reading that magazine ... it has lots of interesting and thought provoking articles.

That being said - I have two issues with Buddhism I can't get past ...
1 - It seems like a lot of mental work to reach enlightenment or bliss or whatever.
2 - After all that work comes annihilation of the soul.

Annihilation. So why bother?

(or am I missing something?)

The soul still exists, but also merges with absolute being and a sense of no soul, but its always there still, merged. Paraphrasing his thoughts on it

DJW001
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Why would a Buddhist on the Indian side of the Himalayas be using Taoist terminology?

He wasn't traditional by any means. Mentioned the need to be a rebel & non-comformist on the path in order to break-through and see through dogma & blocks. He was using yoga, advaita, taoism, buddhism, various mystical texts, meditations in caves, basically a conglomerate of paths and wasn't from there. Was only there now because that's where one of his teachers lived before him and that area is conducive to being left alone to practice while still being supplied food/water

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Upper Dan Tian - The Observer which notices all thoughts and things appearing. Middle Dan Tian - Thought, Emotion, and Physicality, all Life that is happening which The Observer observes. Lower Dan Tian - Emptiness/Silence, what is there before any thought arises, and before The Observer can 'notice' anything.

In my notes according to his description its more like this:

Upper DT = Pure Awareness, the Light of Cognition, pure subjectivity, but also spacious consciousness that with the light of cognition make up the head halo eventually. According to him, the "observer" was a very limited and miniscule aspect of all of this and was more so like an extention of pure cognition. What you want to find is prior to even the Observer.

Middle DT - Center of the Heart, The Soul, the source of thought, subconscious, source of awareness, portal into nondual oneness, God consciousness, it is prior to Awareness, to any observer to all head based consciousness and it is its source. It is the Gateway to God/Soul/Union/Oneness

Lower DT - The very bottom of the breath when you breath deeply into the belly, at the junction where exhalation ends and inhalation begins. This is a portal to pure Isness, Emptiness, Beingness, Source of Life , Vitality, Source of existence. It is Absolute and prior to anything and everything. Nothing can trump this. It is like the foundation stone for all of existence and it is prior to the Nondual state that all the nondualists dogmatically preach is the end all.

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Wow he sure talked a lot about himself. He clearly has strong siddhis because he was able to give you the answers to all of the questions we would pose.

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DJW001
Wow he sure talked a lot about himself.

Even if it were true that he was talking about himself a lot, so what? Does that mean he has no wisdom and don't know anything? That type of judgment is what keeps people away from learning more things.

For all we know, there may be people who "act" egotistical and talk about themselves a lot on purpose, just to see who is beyond the judgment stage and ready to develop beyond. Just a thought.

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Sounds like you had a great experience and that you took away some incredible advice. The hardest thing to do here in our commercialized economy is getting away from it. Mind you most people on here work and a true buddah spends his or her time meditating all day, something we cannot do otherwise our bills don't get paid. Work hard and then retire in the mountainside

arpgme
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DJW001
Wow he sure talked a lot about himself.

Even if it were true that he was talking about himself a lot, so what? Does that mean he has no wisdom and don't know anything? That type of judgment is what keeps people away from learning more things.

For all we know, there may be people who "act" egotistical and talk about themselves a lot on purpose, just to see who is beyond the judgment stage and ready to develop beyond. Just a thought.

Do such people hide in caves?

dominicus
So I just got back from a 1.5 month trek thru India, visiting various holy sites, solitude, intuition, practice, and trying to get to what a friend told me was a fully enlightened Buddha who was teaching at the foothills of the Himalayas, and I found him, here's what he had to say:

(By the way, if you guys want a photo of my airlines itineraries as proof, I can very much offer to post here, however, I think we are all very much very serious practitioners who are at a high degree of maturity, respect, honor, and a certain level of trust. If you still want the proof, let me know.)

So what did he have to say?

Quite simple. He said no matter the path, it boils down to the 3 Dan Tiens. The 3 energetic gateways to Consciousness, Truth, Enlightenment

Upper Dan Tien is Pure Subjectivity, but also simultaneously Pure Consciousness. So there is both a center point or the pure light of cognition/attention, but also it is a spacious field and is what creates the Halo of Light around the head you see in pictures of Saints. Think Buddha, Christ, Various Sikh Masters, etc

Middle Dan Tien is the Source of Conscious, the Soul, the Portal for the head based Consciousness to reach its Source, like a drop of water entering the Ocean, an Ocean of Infinite Light, Infinite Bliss, the Multi-Faceted Diamond, the Inner Spark of Life, existence, Consciousness. The Zero point of Non-duality it is the centerless center. At this point as well, is the Light of Consciousness which begins to flood and change the body. Eventually one reaches the Light Body via a flooding of and living off this light of consciousness

Lower Dan Tian is the point at the very bottom of the breath, when you breath deep, it is the small crack between the end of exhalation, the begining of inhalation. This point is the Source of Vitality, the Source of Beingness, the Unborn Emptiness prior to all things including Consciousness. The void the precedes everything and anything. It is the point where Buddha reached Enlightenment, where emptiness is form, and form is emptiness.

Eventually The upper DT merges with the middle, the middle then merges with the lower, and all 3 become one.

Additionally, kundalini occurs eventually in the path, opens all channels & chakras. He spoke of the Solar Plexus Chakra which when opened, unlocks the rib cage and unlocks breathing. He spoke of an unlocking of the Lower DT where breathing becomes alive and deepens naturally and becomes extremely slow, all on its own, sometime leading to extremely long periods of no breathing at all for days.

He also something very interesting. Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of tiny meridian like channels that flow through the body, all become unblocked with stagnant life force, to be replaced by emptiness, consciousness, and light of consciousness, a process he had undergone and now had access to attainment of rainbow body, but saw in his karma he needed to teach a bit before "leaving that way." Even so, he only sees a few people a week and is very much hidden, saying that only those who are supposed to find him by sheer grace and luck are the one's he speaks with.

Other interesting things he said were that The conscious mind and subconscious mind where directly linked to the middle Dan Tian & Source of Consciousness. So those who use mantra and attention, are getting to middle DT via the channel that the subconscious arises through upon waking in the morning, and falls away to when falling asleep at night.

He also said he has the ability for him as pure consciousness to leave the body at will and see/visit heaven and hell realms of various sorts as well as who is and isn't awakened to a high degree, because you can see their light of Consciousness shining from space and affecting the reality around them like a rock thrown in a pond making waves. Surprisingly, he mentioned the Eastern Orthodox Monks of Christianity as being highly developed and many who are also fully Enlightened. So too are Sufi masters, a large number of Yogi's around the world, some Sikhs, and Masters of various Paths including some new agers who use a conglomerate of techniques to penetrate into the inner mysteries.

He said entering middle DT via mantra/attention, feeling your way into there, was the front door, whereas activating the upper DT and then surrendering so it drops down the spine into Middle DT was the back door. That surrender with minute level of will was the absolute master key key, however that to find the channel where Consciousness can return to its source at the front of the spine was something akin to entering a huge completely dark warehouse and trying to feel your way around with your hands in order to locate a single strand of a spider's web.

Only that the warehouse was the size of your head, and there are ways to turn on the lights, breathing exercises that can be done to activate the spine, and a number of other things.

So I got a transmission from him and it was like everything began to open up. The "strand" he spoke of, I can clearly feel just at the front of the spine and felt exactly how it linked from the center of subjectivity, to middle DT, to Lower DT. It was the most amazing thing ever to get this transmission. I could see this guy completely covered in light, like his whole body was a halo. And from a distance, I can see clearly his field of energy was massive, like a giant warehouse of energy around him, it looked like the mirage you see in the street on a hot summer's day.

The transmission he said he had to do lightly and just enough for you to get a hint of where everything is at because you have to do the rest of the work yourself and plus a few transmissions he did, he literally blew fuses in people and they needed weeks/months to recover. So he doesn't know yet how to greatly control his transmissions other to then give very subtle ones.

Oh, and he's very reluctant to teach. I found him through word of mouth from a friend who is in India on a year long pilgrimage, who has access to an area of the Himalayas where there are caves with Masters meditating in them, being brought food & water by an ancient order/organization of people from small villages who have been donating to those seeking Enlightenment in the caves for over a thousand years now. Some refuse to see or teach people. Others have asked to be completely shored up in the caves with rocks/bricks and not to be brought food or water anymore, only to emerge a decade or two later still alive and full Enlightened.

I only saw this one guy, but my buddy who is there for a year now, said the others he met, he's received transmission from just from being around them, like third eye permanently open, kundalini activation, heart flowering open & the complete disappearance of the I-Self reference structure.

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you can achieve the identical results
by accidentally coming into contact with
110-120 volt while being grounded good.

Thank you so much for sharing your communication with us from this enlightened person, Buddha, or whoever he is.
I'll be bookmarking this this thread. I am always searching for more from the spiritual realm.

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Yes think of it like learning how to walk or learning how to talk.

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This is an excellent thread and I compliment the OP

Another way of relating to spirituality in religion is to relate to each of them in an altogether way.

Like relating to the Sephirot in the Kabbalah as well as the Chakra system in a holistic way.

Did the OP name the teacher? I must have missed that. He doesn't sound like a Buddhist to me. Discussing the technical details of yogic practice is not usually done with the general public or a person who hasn't been involved for a considerable period of time with the teacher.

The "teacher" sounds like a Daoist to me.

A Buddhist teacher would never reduce the Buddha's teaching to matters of the "physiology" or "mechanics" of yoga. This stuff is not mentioned in the Tripitaka, to my knowledge. Not even mentioned! In the context of Buddhism, this stuff is just scenery.

I'm not saying that these sort of things are not spoken about by Buddhist teachers and practitioners but they form a part of a much larger context and probably wouldn't come up much outside of situations where practitioners are involved in retreats.

As a caveat, I should say that my experience is of Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism in the North American context. In places like Nepal a lot of subjects are spoken of casually, among practitioners and their Tibetan friends, that one wouldn't hear much about over here.

ipsedixit
Did the OP name the teacher? I must have missed that. He doesn't sound like a Buddhist to me. Discussing the technical details of yogic practice is not usually done with the general public or a person who hasn't been involved for a considerable period of time with the teacher.

The "teacher" sounds like a Daoist to me.

A Buddhist teacher would never reduce the Buddha's teaching to matters of the "physiology" or "mechanics" of yoga. This stuff is not mentioned in the Tripitaka, to my knowledge. Not even mentioned! In the context of Buddhism, this stuff is just scenery.

I'm not saying that these sort of things are not spoken about by Buddhist teachers and practitioners but they form a part of a much larger context and probably wouldn't come up much outside of situations where practitioners are involved in retreats.

As a caveat, I should say that my experience is of Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism in the North American context. In places like Nepal a lot of subjects are spoken of casually, among practitioners and their Tibetan friends, that one wouldn't hear much about over here.

Are you a Buddhist teacher? And how much time have you spent recently depriving yourself of physical immersion to pursue the fruits of meditation and oneness?

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I live in a meditation center and have done so for about 35 years.

Several of those years were spent as the virtual slave of a very great Tibetan tulku.

I have received a lineage transmission from H.H. Karmapa XVI, lungs and initiations from the greatest Tibetan meditation master of the 20th century, Dingo Chentse Rinpoche, as well as initiations from Shamar Rinpoche, Situ Rinpoche, H.H. Sakya Trinzen Rinpoche, a lung from Ling Rinpoche and attended a presentation of teaching and blessing from H.H. the Dalai Lama.

I meditate usually about three hours a day.

I'm very experienced but I'm no "holy guy". I still smoke. I watch porn.

Despite my shortcomings, and they are numerous, I do know what I'm talking about.

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ipsedixit
I'm very experienced but I'm no "holy guy". I still smoke. I watch porn.

Despite my shortcomings, and they are numerous, I do know what I'm talking about.

You define "holy" as not smoking or watching porn, and you say you have numerous "short comings". What were you using the meditation for and what did it do for you? It seems like you are not very detached from thoughts and still holding on to defining yourself through many conceptions. I could be wrong, but this is what it seems like based off of how you speak.

ipsedixit
I'm very experienced but I'm no "holy guy". I still smoke. I watch porn.

Despite my shortcomings, and they are numerous, I do know what I'm talking about.

You define "holy" as not smoking or watching porn, and you say you have numerous "short comings".

Not exactly. I don't define holy at all, I merely say that I am not holy and give examples of attachment to pleasure/sedation.

What were you using the meditation for and what did it do for you?

Keep in mind that we are talking about 38 years as a meditator! I started off trying to acquire occult powers that would make me master of all phenomena.

This is a manifestation of what Trungpa Rinpoche called "spiritual materialism".

Then I became a sincere seeker in the manner of Milarepa for whom, it is said, the entire world was like a "burning furnace". I needed relief from genuine suffering.

As I became familiar with the way the Buddha categorized the problems of the world and the solutions to those problems, I fell into the standard Buddhist practice in its Vajrayana iteration.

Meditation revealed the nature of mind to me and gave me improved control over emotional disturbances. It also improved my understanding of details of how the body and mind work and intimations of how one transitions from life to life, the factors that have a bearing on what happens.

It seems like you are not very detached from thoughts

That is quite true. Serious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation. Other than stories about great meditators, commentaries on meditation and the Buddha's teaching, there are no significant books in Tibet.

The great Tibetans don't think.

and still holding on to defining yourself through many conceptions.

To some extent this is true, but remember carrying on a discussion with definitions is not possible without "conceptions".

I could be wrong, but this is what it seems like based off of how you speak.

You have some reasonably accurate perceptions of me. Let me just say that meditation in the classic way practiced by Theravadins (mindfulness leading to insight) is something that can help anyone, regardless of their religion, to gain valuable insight into themselves and control over emotional disturbances.

Koyaanisqatsi
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As far as this is resonating with me, it's all just mysticism. It's all concepts and becoming. This is not liberation as I think of it.

I am not saying that you are wrong, I'm just saying that I don't get what you try to communicate. Talking about liberation can only point to the simple wonder of being and attempt to illuminate the futility of seeking for it.

Life is not a task. There is absolutely nothing to attain except the realization that there is absolutely nothing to attain. What is sought remains hidden from the seeker by already being everything.

Looking for being is believing that it is lost. Has anything been lost, or is it simply that the looking keeps it away? Maybe what is sought is already all there is. Perhaps that which is longed for is already constantly happening, it never went away in the first place. Only the seeker did, - to look for it.

The "me" seeks clarity or any formula or recipe which will give the "me" what it thinks it wants or needs. But the "me" not getting what it wants is not the dilemma. The dilemma is the apparent "me". If this is what you like to call neo-advaita, feel free to do so. It still doesn't change what is.

I feel like we are going around in circles here, getting nowhere. I can't change how you relate to this things. And I am not trying either. You can't even change your own mind, even if you wanted to. That goes for all of "us". If your mind changes, it's just whats happening, regardless of any "you".

No amount of study,
No attendance in any school
Can teach one to be oneself.
Being is everything,
Being any thing in particular is
An illusion.
(from the Lost writings of Wu Shin)

In relation to Jung's Collective Unconscious, Being is also everything.

Seemingly the only real issue is the extent one can relate to everything.

Why are your offerings that there is not one?

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Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your experience! It never comes easy and makes sense that your journey would be met with complication! Good job sticking it out and encountering the individual you have described. The transmission that you speak of is very interesting to me! I am undisciplined and have not practiced as I should in order to achieve the awareness I believe to be after, however as of late I am understanding the process that I am a part of and am now ready to continue walking the path and awakening that Kundalini energy, I think that is a good starting point in this neverending journey we chose to embark upon!

ipsedixit



Keep in mind that we are talking about 38 years as a meditator! I started off trying to acquire occult powers that would make me master of all phenomena.

Serious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation. Other than stories about great meditators, commentaries on meditation and the Buddha's teaching, there are no significant books in Tibet.
The great Tibetans don't think.

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So you came to a fork in the road and spent 38 years[ 3hrs a day] thinking about meditation [being a self proclaimed "devil"]
When you are watching porn [and smoking] does that count as part of the 3 hours a day you think about meditation?

To each his own.


Sounds like mallarky too me though.

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Thanks a lot for sharing ur exp bro!

peace

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Are you offering that Tibetan Tummo does not require thinking?