Earth revolves around the sun? 1 in 4 Americans say nope

reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Having progressed through the educational system myself, and then putting 2 kids through the same routine I really dont see how corporations have had anything to do with the decline in education.

The biggest difference I see is a union that seems to be more interested in keeping unqualified teachers working than they are in teaching kids.

Another difference? A system that is increasingly burdened with few resources ( not suggesting we throw money at it, but rather I believe that the money could be spent MUCH more effectively), fewer good and dedicated teachers, a system that rewards fraud rather than real teaching/learning as well as parents who are not engaged in the education of their kids. After all, it's not their responsibility, right? (seriously?)

The federal govt should stay the F out of it. The more they get involved the more Effed up it gets. Anyone see a pattern here regarding Fed intervention?

Education requires several aspects to work together.

The parents have to be engaged and have to provide an example as well as discipline. There is absolutely no reason parents cannot supplement their own children's education.

Teachers have to be concerned about teaching. Not tied into some rote system designed to eliminate excellence. Not concerned about anything but being teachers. Called Focus.
OH...and please, Teacher Unions..how bout putting the kids first? Do not fight for bad teachers...bad teachers should not be teaching.

School systems should be focused on providing what the teachers need, what the children need to enhance learning. Eff the politics and petty BS. I don't give a damm how important you think you are: you have a job, just effing do it.

alienreality

The theory that humans evolved from animals is only a theory, but these statements from the source are inserting that in as a fact commonly known, and to me that means "agenda" ..

But it's true about people not knowing a lot of science facts.. When I was a lot younger, (a long time ago), I had a friend who thought the stars in the sky were just some type of light thing.. He resisted and scoffed when I told him they were other suns. Pretty funny, I still laugh at him because he is still just as dumb now than he was then..

Space science especially seems to be the area of knowledge that the common person doesn't know anything about, and many don't even care..(I don't understand that stance at all)..

Are you suggesting that humans have not evolved?

Are you suggesting that the difference of less than 2% DNA-wise between human and apes is unimportant?

Are you suggesting that the commonality in DNA between humans and all other animals in existence is just coincidence?

Just wonderin..


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First it seems it is always "Americans" as the worst so let's do this survey on the whole continent of Africa or all the middle east, or even all of China and see what you get.


Second, how was the sampling done? Most of these questionnaires are sampled at colleges, where the kids don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, and are used to represent the whole population.

It seems that people have an agenda upfront and how they sample and who they sample is driven by that agenda.

I also think that questions that have an alternate faith based answer really skew the results too and are used only to support the true agenda.

DJW001
reply to post by ChuckNasty

 

There are times when the barycenter is outside the suns body.

This only happens when all of the planets are aligned on the same side of the Sun.

Not true, it happens more often than you think.

Somehow, the point of this thread seems to have been lost.

True.

But guess a point can be made that surveys are only as good as who makes them and their intended target. Let's suppose we make a survey on police brutality and had ATS members answer. It'll probably show that 19 out of 20 people hate the police.

reply to post by bbracken677


I will give you a non religious alternative to the Ape man theory,.
The earth is a living biological organism with virus and bacteria as well as the whole intricate web of life creating macro systems we barely understand.
Now what if a race of Extre Terrestrial's arrived in few numbers or were marrooned on a hostile planet and there own biology was not too different (possible if panspermia could be proven).
They would then be exposed to a constant bombardment to the virus and other pathogen's of the new biosphere they were trapped in and so if some survived there immunse systems would have to adapt.
Now in a biosphere virus actually do not only mutate to fit the host they also transferre genetic material accross the species barrier through Viral propegation, when a virus infects a cell it not only makes copy's of itself but sometimes picks up host genetic material with is passed on to the next generation of virus from that cell and in some cases a cell becomes infected but the virus remains inactive, ususally a long gestation while it spread's it's infection throughout the host cell's.
Human's pick up disease from pigs and vice versa, pig's and humans have a very high level of shared DNA, they are supposed to be the most ancient domesticated species (many cannibal tribes call humans long pigs as our tissue tastes almost the same to them).
Human's living in close proximity to primates could have been infected with a symian virus.
The survivors may have had shorter life expectancy, faster reproduction and more ape like biology, further cross infections between the two most compatible species would have further homogenized the disparate species making them an easier shared ecological environment for the pathogens to propegate in more easily.

In spain there was an entire vilage in which all people had six toes and six fingers.

Ancient sumeria had base twelve mathematic's.

We still use a time base inherited from them which is why we have twelve hours in the day and twelve hours in the night.

Xerxes among other persion royalty was said to have twelve fingers and twelve toes.

Secret orders believe royal bloodlines are special and the royal familys try not to POLLUTE there lineage with INFERIOR stock, this may be left over from an ancient attempt to stem the spread of the genetic alteration by a remnant of uninfected or infected whom had not manifested the homoginisation.

I am not claiming this is what happend but?.

I fine it funny that many here that have a particular tone to their posts when they comment on how stupid faith based answers are seem to also believe that aliens have been among us or are still here. In either case they are both faith base with zero support and rate about the same level of ignorance.

reply to post by Xtrozero


I Myself am actually a christian but the point of making an argument with someone whom think's they know is to show them that they really do not know.
It is all faith when you come down to it, even empirical evidence is interpreted in knowledge based system and that knowledge based system is based on faith in what they have been taught is true and irrefutable.

reply to post by ChuckNasty

Not true, it happens more often than you think.

Please support this statement with ephemerides.

reply to post by Indigent


Yes... The Earth revolves around the sun.

Unless your a hardcore Christian that is.

LABTECH767
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

I Myself am actually a christian but the point of making an argument with someone whom think's they know is to show them that they really do not know.
It is all faith when you come down to it, even empirical evidence is interpreted in knowledge based system and that knowledge based system is based on faith in what they have been taught is true and irrefutable.

I find it rather spooky to read Genesis and see how the Genesis tale of creation so closely mirrors modern day cosmological theory as well as evolutionary specially when you consider sequence.

Regarding the evolutionary aspect: life in seas, first. Life in the air and land in the proper sequence. Final stage (as we know it now, anyway) is the presence of man.

Look at the creation of the cosmos...holy cow lol Amazing.

I can keep going on this. First time I noticed it, it really freaked me out so I did a bit of research. The parallels are amazing.

The problem with the alien theory posited above is that unless we were related to the aliens A) there would have been zero chance of "cross pollination" lol. B) unless related, beings who evolved on a different planet would likely be so different from us that earth virus, having evolved over millions of years to infect life on earth, would not be able to infect aliens (IMO).

I think the alien approach is kinda weird given that there is zero evidence. But it does make for interesting reading and thought.

Ironclad2000
reply to post by Indigent

 

Yes... The Earth revolves around the sun.

Unless your a hardcore Christian that is.

ahh...yes, the requisite bigot statement. Might as well say that blacks all love fried chicken, watermelons and have IQ's under 100. Same difference, different group. How hypocritical can man be?

reply to post by alienreality

The theory that humans evolved from animals is only a theory, but these statements from the source are inserting that in as a fact commonly known, and to me that means "agenda"

What is a Scientific Hypothesis? | Definition of Hypothesis

What is a Scientific Theory?

Layman’s definition of Theory vs. Scientific Theory

Hopefully you will read the links provided so that in the future you will not make mistaken statements such as "its only a theory" at the very least you should say it is only a scientific theory as the meaning is quite different. Much like Newton's theory of gravitation or Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity I had thought very few didn't understand those terms but in light of this study if one in four don't know the earth rotates around the sun then it is likely even fewer understand the meaning of scientific theory.

bbracken677

Ironclad2000
reply to post by Indigent

 

Yes... The Earth revolves around the sun.

Unless your a hardcore Christian that is.

ahh...yes, the requisite bigot statement. Might as well say that blacks all love fried chicken, watermelons and have IQ's under 100. Same difference, different group. How hypocritical can man be?

Bigoted huh..

Sorry, but I have witnessed this personally.

While at the Melbourne Museum I followed a Christian School group out of curiosity, after hearing the teachers describe to the students, how dinosaurs had walked the earth with men only a few thousand years ago.

Then on through various other displays and sections, explaining how wrong science had it, which included statements that the earth was made first by god and all things made after, and therefore the universe "must" revolve around the earth. It must be this way because the bible had said so...

There's a lot of Christian groups out there, running Christian schools and teaching these beliefs to a vast number of children, who all grow up to be totally clueless..!!

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Questions which employ complex or technical language or jargon can confuse or irritate respondents.
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HOW EVEN MORE SIMPLIFIED can it get than using kindergarten language like "goes around the Earth or goes around the Sun".
The question was already dumbed down that even a HALFWIT would actually understand it!

Why are you bringing examples of how jargon and technical language can confuse people....where the question was not TECHNICAL AT ALL but asked "whether the Sun goes around the Earth or the Earth goes around the Sun".

No one needs a degree to grasp what this question MEANS. It's a super-simplified question that was (in my opinion) exactly formulated in such a way that a broader, non technical audience actually understands it..WITHOUT even using "complicated" words like "orbiting" or "revolving". It's as SIMPLE as it can even get.

Marsupilami
reply to post by boncho

 

And since we already established that both earth and sun actually revolve around a barycenter between them, your argument doesn't really add anything. Because this barycenter is not the center of the sun, my argument still stands, that the Heliocentric model is incorrect alone and dramatically incomplete considering other options.
People here seem to have a thing for abusing definitions to steer around actual arguments ... at least do it right.

Come on, do me a favor and step before a scientific audience and explain them your theory how the heliocentric model is wrong because it depends on the frame of reference how you look at it.

Seriously...this is BOLLOCKS.

reply to post by Indigent


lol.
Is this for real?

If the earth doesn't revolves around the sun what about the moon

reply to post by DJW001


Nerd talk for pics or it doesn't happen.

Go Google yerself a program and prove to us that you are correct.

See beyond yer HS thinking and enjoy science facts instead of 'I think it does' mentality.

reply to post by ChuckNasty

Correct that it a very rare occurrence? All he has to do is say "I can't find a single instance of it happening."

Wouldn't the proper approach, since you did make the claim, would be to show a few examples? By doing that you could show DJW001 wrong.

The ball is well and truly in your court.

reply to post by Phage


Trying to find the program link.

The center of it never leaves the suns corona. But it does leave the photo sphere.

It was one method used to debunk Nibiru...

Edit: It is also how they found planets around other stars. I know, learning is tough, especially if ones logic supersedes known science. Still haven't found the program link on our system that takes our known planets gravity/mass into the barycenter calculations. As for the Nibiru stuff, it was generally calculated that if a rogue gas giant with planets rotates around our system, it would cause a bigger wobble. Cheers!