If you are Christian, please answer me this (help)

reply to post by ketsuko
So is that where God lives , in a church ?

reply to post by BELIEVERpriest


Jesus was born with original sin the same as all of us. Otherwise what was that big show at the river with John the Baptist all about?

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reply to post by Akragon

 

He died because his followers would not support him...

John 18
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I find it weird that Jesus would say that his servants didn't fight against his capture when Peter clearly tried to within the very same chapter.

John 18
10 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)

11 Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”

Jesus rebukes Peter for fighting for him then goes on to say that no one fought for him. Maybe I'm missing something here?

You have to look at what He's saying.

He stopped Simon Peter because Simon Peter would have died fighting, and it was meant that Christ die as a sacrifice, not be liberated.

His kingdom is not of this world. Basically, if He were meant to rule the world of earth, His servants would be meant to take up arms and fight for Him. But since His kingdom is not an earthly one, then they are not meant to fight for Him and aren't.

It's not about whether or not some are willing; it's about whether or not they are meant to.

adarma
reply to post by ketsuko

 

So is that where God lives , in a church ?

In the sense that if you accept the Savior and have faith, then you are indwelt by a tiny piece of the Holy Spirit ... yes, we are all capable of being our own church.

God the Father, Christ the Son, the Holy Spirit. Three are One. They Are.

reply to post by ketsuko
Explain how can three be one ? Christ was the son of God , but humans changed the Royal Law to suit themselves .

reply to post by adarma


Expound please since you have earlier on damned a bunch of us to Hell.

reply to post by ketsuko
No, humans did that themselves . You all worship the other fella because you have all been deceived . If you have a birth certificate , that is not you it's your mask . Read the original second commandment .

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:4-6)

If you have a birth certificate , which is forced on you when you were a mere baby (Baby lon) you have been given a Graven image . We had a law , the Royal Law given to us by God . Not this Common Law rubbish we live under to deceive us even further. How can you own anything , when you don't even own yourself ?

reply to post by adarma


How exactly is a birth certificate a graven image. I am familiar with sects who see photographs and pictorial images as graven images. And if a birth certificate is a graven image ... how on earth did you learn to write without making any graven images of your own?

And how exactly do you worship something that most people barely pay any attention to at all?

Glory to God is an active part of my life. I have no real idea where my birth certificate is beyond a vague notion that it's in the house somewhere. I wouldn't call that "worship" or bowing down to it, more like rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

"For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Mark 10:45

You see His death did matter. He is called the lamb because in type, sins were indeed placed on the shoulders of the innocent.

Don't listen to some on this thread that preach a gospel of dissimulation. That say by reading the gospels you will come to the conclusion they represent. But it wont.

reply to post by ketsuko
Because the birth certificate is just a piece of paper. Are you a piece of paper ? No of course not, you're a flesh and blood human being in the image of God . Everything you own does not belong to you, because of the Name that is given to you through your birth certificate, your graven image. All religion is mind control , read the SCRIPTure . God is all knowing even down to every single hair on our heads . You are my people said God . Man thinks because they make their own Law they can do as they wish . Boy are they going to get a shock and that's why the World is in a mess , because man changed Gods Law to suit themselves .

When you are called into court how do they call you . By your birth certificate Name , which is not you . They tell you to appear only ghosts and spirits appear , so you're REpresenting a dead person, a mask, a graven image . Please look into this, what I am saying is true . God is all around us everything we see , everything is God . God made it in six days and rested on the seventh . They even changed that , for their own ends .Wake up folks , lied to from your very first breath .

reply to post by Logarock


Well, for anyone still reading this thread, I say that no one is asking the right questions about this god Jehovah and the whole premise behind his salvation...

First of all, why on earth would you want to worship such an entity? Just because he tells you too? Why does this god wait 4000 or so years to send his son Jesus to the earth? He sure wasn't in a hurry to save lost humanity...

Jehovah didn't care anything about all of the other civlizations on the earth at the time of the flood or Moses, etc...I'm sure that other countries had no idea that the god of Abraham or the jews was where you needed to be when they were on the other side of the world...So what's up with a god that is so small minded? Millions died around the world while Noah was building his ark and only Noah was used to forewarn the whole world? Where is the godliness in this?

Why not just forgive Adam and Eve in the garden and get on with life? Forget the prophets and killing animals. That's what I would have done if I were a great a might creator. But obviously Jehovah just likes the smell of burnt flesh...as sweet smelling savour?

Why should I worship someone or something that from all information know about it, appears to be just someone with too much power and no character to go with it. And people believe in it just because he said so.

In fact, the whole plan of salvation is just crazy crazy crazy...Jehovah creates a whole universe perfectly but when it comes to his word and his plan of salvation there is no comparison... Thus it's easy to believe that the foundations of Christianity as well as anyone that follows the OT is just off down a deep rabbit hole and have forgotten how they got down there.

I could go on and on (if you want me to with examples of this OT god....He is supposed to still be alive and well, right? He's still on the throne? He is god and he changes not??? So if he's still around he's still the same being that he was in the OT....not a nice fellow and someone I would run the other direction from. In fact based on what I know about him, I would be a much better god to humanity than him...as bad as that sounds.

I don't fear him... as I believe, should he be real, he's just duped a large portion of humanity into believing that he's the one true god. I tend to think if there is a god type of setup here, that he would not require his creation to love and worship him lest they be tortured and burn in hell. It amazes me that people believe this is the only way.

I've got better things to do than sit around and fear, worship or give any energy to something so negative as all of that.

magnison
reply to post by Logarock

 

Well, for anyone still reading this thread, I say that no one is asking the right questions about this god Jehovah and the whole premise behind his salvation...

First of all, why on earth would you want to worship such an entity? Just because he tells you too? Why does this god wait 4000 or so years to send his son Jesus to the earth? He sure wasn't in a hurry to save lost humanity...

Believe it or not most christians don't worship him because he tells them so.

Now as far as being in a hurry Christ appearance on earth had to do with the fullness of time not on time expedience.

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reply to post by Akragon

 

He died because his followers would not support him...

John 18
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I find it weird that Jesus would say that his servants didn't fight against his capture when Peter clearly tried to within the very same chapter.

John 18
10 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)

11 Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”

Jesus rebukes Peter for fighting for him then goes on to say that no one fought for him. Maybe I'm missing something here?

I think Ketsuko has it right for the most part... Peter was meant to continue on with his teachings, not die defending him...

Also keep In mind he said "my servant(s)" plural... Peter was but one man

remember he also said this in Matthew...

Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

reply to post by CleanCare


Dude, I think you might be looking at this differently. The story is about him being sacrificed as an atonement for sins. Before that, the Jews sacrificed animals for similar reason. Burnt offerings, etc. Jesus was supposed to be the last.

You would think PETA would use him as a logo for saving all the future animals from being sacrificed.

CleanCare
reply to post by Thisbseth

 

That's rude of Jesus to assume that EVERYONE in the future will sin on a day to day basis. What a shallow guy.

Plus, if the people 2,000 years ago did NOT sin, then Jesus would have had a happy life, no?

hahaha.. I found your response quite amusing... even if Jesus didn't assume this, you honestly think there's a human out there that hasn't committed any wrongdoings?

I don't think Jesus was shallow, rather, he saw deep into human nature.. which is easily swayed into temptations and desires of the flesh which causes all the conflict and troubles we have today. Not only Jesus saw that, the Buddha also seen it as well as all the other major religions around the world. Even if you didn't know any religion, you can see it clearly by interacting or observing society on a daily basis.

Jesus got Crucified because he was committing blasphemy according to The Old Testament. The Old Testament does not say that The Messiah should be worshiped nor does it say that he will come, die, be brought back to life and return to Earth at a future time. The Old testament predicted that he will build the 3rd temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28), that there will be a one world government with Israel leading it and all the nations will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23) and there will be world peace (Isaiah 2:4).

The Pharisees were mad that Jesus called "The Messiah - The Christ" and yet he did not do this.

Jesus came to reveal who The Heavenly Father truly is, and said that they did not know him.

arpgme
Jesus got Crucified because he was committing blasphemy according to The Old Testament. The Old Testament does not say that The Messiah should be worshiped nor does it say that he will come, die, be brought back to life and return to Earth at a future time. The Old testament predicted that there will be a one world government with Israel leading it and all the nations will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance and there will be world peace under their command.

The Pharisees were mad that Jesus called "The Messiah - The Christ" and yet he did not do this.

...Actually no. He was crucified for claiming equality with the Father.

“This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” — John 5:18

EDIT: arpgme is right. Jesus got crucified because he was committing blasphemy ACCORDING to the Old Testament. Here's an article that explains a lot more and better: thegospelcoalition.org...

I was skimming a little fast and am not sure what his belief is regarding the Person of Christ. But the crucial point at the trial was Jesus' claim to be the Son of God.

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reply to post by MissBeck

 

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reply to post by VoiceInTheWilderness


It was for more than one reason, even the verse you just quoted says so.

VoiceInTheWilderness

“This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” — John 5:18