If you are Christian, please answer me this (help)

I sometimes go to church.

Whenever I go, the priest will always say something along the lines of "Oh lord, forgive US. You sacrificed your only Son die for OUR sins, you went through so much pain for OUR wrong doings. You died for OUR sins" etc.....

But we were not even alive during that time. We were born almost 2000 years after Jesus was crucified....so why exactly are we sorry? It's people that lived 2000 years ago that commited the sins that resulted in Jesus's crucifixion. So shouldnt we be mad at the people that lived during that time?

Why are WE, the people living TWO THOUSAND YEARS after it all happened, responsible?

I genuinely want to learn.

reply to post by CleanCare


Jesus died for EVERYONEs sins that we as humans make on a day to day basis, 2000 years ago and 2000 years into the future Jesus sacrificed himself so that all of us can be forgiven. correct me if i wrong people. For God so loved the world.

reply to post by Thisbseth


That's rude of Jesus to assume that EVERYONE in the future will sin on a day to day basis. What a shallow guy.

Plus, if the people 2,000 years ago did NOT sin, then Jesus would have had a happy life, no?

reply to post by CleanCare


As a Christian, I believe all believers represent themselves before God as individual priests, so Ive never followed the teachings of churches that ordain priests. What Ive been taught and believe is that Adam contaminated human genetics with sin, therefore we all inheret the sin nature and Adam's original sin through our biological fathers. Since Jesus was born of a virgin, He was sinless. On the cross, God imputed ALL of the sins of mankind (past, present, future) to Christ. So we arent cursed because we crucified Christ. The crucifixion actually gave us a way out of the curse. The curse was brought on when Adam followed Eve in eating of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Believe in Jesus payment for your sins and your will be free.

Hope that provides an answer.

BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by CleanCare

 

As a Christian, I believe all believers represent themselves before God as individual priests, so Ive never followed the teachings of churches that ordain priests. What Ive been taught and believe is that Adam contaminated human genetics with sin, therefore we all inheret the sin nature and Adam's original sin through our biological fathers. Since Jesus was born of a virgin, He was sinless. On the cross, God imputed ALL of the sins of mankind (past, present, future) to Christ. So we arent cursed because we crucified Christ. The crucifixion actually gave us a way out of the curse. The curse was brought on when Adam followed Eve in eating of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Believe in Jesus payment for your sins and your will be free.

Hope that provides an answer.

In your case, then we should all be mad at Adam. How dare he contaminate our human genetics with sin, so now EVERYONE is to blame for Jesus's death. Adam is an a$$hole for making us all responsible for what HE himself did. What a dick

reply to post by CleanCare


Sounds like Paul to me...

IF you honestly want to learn, don't bother listening to your preachers... read the gospels for yourself...

His life was the important part, not his death...

Jesus taught people how the true God of creation wants us to live...

reply to post by CleanCare


Ive spent time angry at Adam. Eventually, I asked myself what I would have done in his shoes. I would imagine it wasnt easy for him to live with the knowledge that Eve was going to be exiled from the garden. The fact is Adam made a simple mistake that complicated all of history. If I can be forgiven for my stupidity, Adam deserves the same forgiveness from me.

reply to post by CleanCare


You're missing the whole point.

Jesus was the last sacrifice needed to forgive all sins, from the past, from the present, and future.

Show me one person who does not sin on a daily basis, and I'll show you where you are mistaken.

Sin has always been since Adam, and until now and also tomorrow and every day after. Adam isn't the original sinner. Eve was. That doesn't mean that they are the ONLY sinners. They were just the first humans who did so.

Sin isn't just upon one person but a whole multitude of people... everyone.

If you want to know more, as one responder said.. read the bible. Though, it looks like you're not here for your questioned to be answered. It looks more like your mind is made up and you're just ranting on the subject. So you're not looking for an answer to your question since your question is retorical. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I am, then your question has been answered in multiple ways.

I never understood the phrase "Jesus died for your sins." It doesn't make any sense.

It's kind of like me saying "I punched myself in the face for your pay check."

It's just there to say that people sin, and he lived to tried and point that out for people, and for them to live more "purely."

It would make sense if they changed the phrase to "Jesus died by/from someones sins." That actually makes more sense, and it would seem to get their overall point across more easily.

reply to post by StallionDuck


Damn i didnt realize until your reply actually. You're right, I guess this thread is actually more of a rant, and I do apologize for that.

Your reply makes sense theoretically, but I feel like that's what all of Christianity is. It just theoretically makes sense. When there's a plot hole, a convenient theoretical answer always seems to be there.

One of the most popular answers to everything I see is "Jesus works in mysterious ways" I can't handle that one.

Whenever there is a difficult question to answer, "oh, Jesus works in mysterious ways" seems to answer everything.

reply to post by CleanCare


We are capable of being just, but we fail at it, so we have to ask for forgiveness.

Church, I think, is the practice, and principle, of just creating by the children of Father, which was created for the Son, Jesus.

Yahweh, Father, is the only good. He is pure justness. In order for him to allow our failure at just creating, we have to be redeemed by a sacrifice, or payment of retribution.

It is the same as our judiciary system today, if you break a law, you have to repay the dept you have created -- you have to right the wrong, or make just the injustice.

Jesus' sacrifice was that payment, but we still need to repent, and forgive others, in order to be forgiven ourselves...

If you do not ask for forgiveness, and just hand over retribution, then what is the sacrifice for? It has to be known, otherwise it is not just. It would be the same if a rich person would just throw money at his crimes without truly being remorseful, and that is not justice.

Further, I think, this is why reality behaves as it does. Every bit of reality, as we know it, is the creation of church for the Son. All life tries to produce the concepts it thinks is "good" or "just" because it was created to be "good" or "just" for the Son to wed, or become one with.

We are to become creators. Sons and daughters of Father, but this cannot be, if we do not want to be just. God, being pure justness, couldn't allow it, because he is just.

Think of reality like this: "good/just" concept (re)production. If you create bad, then you have to make it good, if you want to be just / redeemed.

reply to post by CleanCare


That's an answer from someone who doesn't know what the answer is...

Things are much simpler when you take the time to read about his life...

and its worth the time spent as well... the gospels will change your life if you take the time to understand them

Im not even a Christian, but that is the truth

Akragon
reply to post by CleanCare

 

That's an answer from someone who doesn't know what the answer is...

Things are much simpler when you take the time to read about his life...

and its worth the time spent as well... the gospels will change your life if you take the time to understand them

Im not even a Christian, but that is the truth

I've tried learning about His life, but how am I supposed take seriously all the Harry Potter non-sense?

The Bible is full of Hogwarts magic. I guess it takes faith to believe the Bible....

So...if you have faith, does that mean the Harry Potter series becomes real?

CleanCare

Akragon
reply to post by CleanCare

 

That's an answer from someone who doesn't know what the answer is...

Things are much simpler when you take the time to read about his life...

and its worth the time spent as well... the gospels will change your life if you take the time to understand them

Im not even a Christian, but that is the truth

I've tried learning about his life, but how am I supposed take seriously all the Harry Potter non-sense?

The Bible is full of Hogwarts magic. So I guess it takes faith to believe the Bible....

If you have faith, does that mean you can also believe the Harry Potter series?

haha... are you sure you're Christian?

Try to look past the myths and silliness... IF you read the bible from Genesis you'll not understand anything... Start from Matthew, and stop at the end of John... the rest doesn't matter in the least

Jesus was the greatest of all teachers, so why waste your time on the rest of the book when the four books about him are all you actually need?

reply to post by Lingweenie


The biblical account indicates that Jesus was specifically sent to willingly die FOR our sins and in effect neutralize our sins. His life does teach us that we all sin, but Jesus had multiple opportunities to avoid execution from start to end. He chose to die FOR or sins, not as a result of our sins.

Lingweenie
I never understood the phrase "Jesus died for your sins." It doesn't make any sense.

It's kind of like me saying "I punched myself in the face for your pay check."

It's just there to say that people sin, and he lived to tried and point that out for people, and for them to live more "purely."

It would make sense if they changed the phrase to "Jesus died by/from someones sins." That actually makes more sense, and it would seem to get their overall point across more easily.

But that would be incorrect. He did die for our sins.

You have to understand the concept of sacrifice and the scape goat offerings to understand what's happening here. Jesus HAD to die because he was a sacrifice... Sacrificed... offered up himself for our sins. Once, people laid their hands on the heads of sheep to transfer their sins to that animal then sacrifice that animal so their sins were forgiven. I'm probably not 100% technically right because I lack in remembering details and I'm sure someone else can shed more light on this, but it's the idea.

reply to post by CleanCare


If its all just Harry Potter nonsense to you no matter what anyone says, why do you even bother asking in the first place?

CleanCare
reply to post by StallionDuck

 

Damn i didnt realize until your reply actually. You're right, I guess this thread is actually more of a rant, and I do apologize for that.

Your reply makes sense theoretically, but I feel like that's what all of Christianity is. It just theoretically makes sense. When there's a plot hole, a convenient theoretical answer always seems to be there.

One of the most popular answers to everything I see is "Jesus works in mysterious ways" I can't handle that one.

Whenever there is a difficult question to answer, "oh, Jesus works in mysterious ways" seems to answer everything.

No problem at all... There are a lot of things that confuses me that's in the bible, but to be honest, I do tend to find the answers from others sometimes that somehow makes sense of what I'm trying to understand for me. I guess that's the idea behind people getting together and hashing these things out. Sometimes it just takes a different frame of mind and another understanding to shed light on it all.

There are plenty of mysteries there, but the bible still facinates me. I just want to know all the answers and it's hard to get them from religious heads sometimes because lots of people want to interperet things their way and some just shut you down for asking because they think you're supposed to rely 100% on faith. Do as I say, don't worry about the reason behind it, kinda stuff. That, to me, defeats the wisdom of the message. How else do we learn if not by the wisdom of it?

StallionDuck

Lingweenie
I never understood the phrase "Jesus died for your sins." It doesn't make any sense.

It's kind of like me saying "I punched myself in the face for your pay check."

It's just there to say that people sin, and he lived to tried and point that out for people, and for them to live more "purely."

It would make sense if they changed the phrase to "Jesus died by/from someones sins." That actually makes more sense, and it would seem to get their overall point across more easily.

But that would be incorrect. He did die for our sins.

You have to understand the concept of sacrifice and the scape goat offerings to understand what's happening here. Jesus HAD to die because he was a sacrifice... Sacrificed... offered up himself for our sins. Once, people laid their hands on the heads of sheep to transfer their sins to that animal then sacrifice that animal so their sins were forgiven. I'm probably not 100% technically right because I lack in remembering details and I'm sure someone else can shed more light on this, but it's the idea.

Killing innocent animals is the result of a blood thirsty false god depicted in the OT...

Spilling the blood of the innocent has never forgiven sin... You can not transfer your sin to another creature....

IF you happen to think you know why killing innocent animals for YOUR sins makes any sense perhaps you can answer the question no one else can... here...

How does blood save?

Jesus said "I will have mercy and NOT sacrifice"... meaning spilling the blood of the innocent does nothing...

Never has, never will...

Akragon

CleanCare

Akragon
reply to post by CleanCare

 

That's an answer from someone who doesn't know what the answer is...

Things are much simpler when you take the time to read about his life...

and its worth the time spent as well... the gospels will change your life if you take the time to understand them

Im not even a Christian, but that is the truth

I've tried learning about his life, but how am I supposed take seriously all the Harry Potter non-sense?

The Bible is full of Hogwarts magic. So I guess it takes faith to believe the Bible....

If you have faith, does that mean you can also believe the Harry Potter series?

haha... are you sure you're Christian?

Try to look past the myths and silliness... IF you read the bible from Genesis you'll not understand anything... Start from Matthew, and stop at the end of John... the rest doesn't matter in the least

Jesus was the greatest of all teachers, so why waste your time on the rest of the book when the four books about him are all you actually need?

I didn't do it this way, but someone mentioned this once and it actually kind of made sense to me...

To understand the bible, read it backwards. Start with the NT and work your way to the OT. It's almost like a Quentin Tarantino film. The story is there, but it's in an order that's sometimes hard to keep up with. It goes back and forth in time, a lot. Oftentimes it's hard to understand if they're talking about the past, present or future.

I like to read through it with an open mind that everything IS real in it, but may have a different explination than those that wrote it could understand at the time. I still believe in an all powerful being, but I often wonder how, since he knows all the answers, how things were able to play out as though he knew the future but was angry when things happened at the time of their happenings. ehhh Hard to explain. He knew, but was surprised and upset when they happened. If satan was imortal, I figured he would know that God knows everything, so why would he challenge God if he knew that God already knew, like in Jobs case.

Meh, I'm opening a can or worms here! I'll stop now.