Nibiru/Planet X The Thread...(Part Deux)

PlanetXisHERE

eriktheawful
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

Wrong.

The OP specifically referenced a link to Zeta Talk in this link here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Referencing supposed problems with the Venus transit......which is suppose to be evidence of Nibiru.

Showing the flaws of Zeta Talk is not off topic, because the creator of this thread decided to use it as a reference for evidence.

I was trying to illustrate a logical fallacy, even though Nancy can be discredited, that has nothing to do with the credibility of the topic of Nibiru/Planet X.

How about this question Erik, was Robert Harrington influenced by the writings of Nancy?

If Charles Manson predicted the Mount St. Helens eruption, would the prediction be invalid because of the source? Or would the evidence be able to stand on its own?

First: Charles Manson never made any predictions. However, Nancy did, and continues to this day to spout out things. Using Zeta Talk as a source opens up discussion in that area.

Robert Harrington was not looking for Nibiru. Robert Harrington was looking for a tenth planet beyond Pluto (back when Pluto was considered the 9th planet). He was "courted" at first by Sitchin. Why? Because he was looking for another planet beyond Pluto.
The probe was called the IRAS, not IRAD. The discovery in 1983 proved to not be what he, and other astronomers thought, which was another Jupiter sized planet.
Instead, it turned out to be something else entirely:

The observatory made headlines briefly with the announcement on December 10, 1983 of the discovery of an "unknown object" at first described as "possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system." Further analysis revealed that, of several unidentified objects, nine were distant galaxies and the tenth was "intergalactic cirrus". None were found to be Solar System bodies.

He died of throat cancer back in 1993....a full 10 years after the IRAS probe.

Now...answer me some questions:

Based upon a 3,600 year orbit, the major axis of that orbit would be within 235 AUs. WISE was able to detect objects up to Jupiter size as far out as 63,000 AUs.
None were detected...... If Niburu existed....it would have been detected since 235 AUs is well within that limit. Explain why?

If Nibiru were to be what it is suppose to be (a massive object), then traversing the inner solar system would cause every single inner planet to end up with highly eccentric orbits......which they do not, but have very stable orbits.
If Nibiru exists, why is that?

If Nibiru passed by 3,600 years ago, causing global catastrophes........why did the Chinese not record any of it in their very well kept records?

Why would anyone want to use atomized gold to "heat" a world? Especially when it is a heavy element, and won't stay suspended in a atmosphere for long......and is reflective of light (including infrared), when gases such as CO2 and Methane are much, much better at staying in a atmosphere, are not reflective, and have very good global warming qualities, in much smaller amounts than gold. Why use gold again?

Why believe a economics major of what these ancient texts say over every modern day scholar who do major in this area?

Just a few questions.

Hi Guys i hope your good,its nice to see this has provoked interest,i want to add a couple more items to the mix now and more at a later time..I also want to get back to the thoughts and opinions you have brought forward and answer them as best i can, with what time i have, as soon as i can,i appreciate your input thanks!!

I would like to say that there may be info that can be found that can discredit this 'theory' of Nibiru,well that is unsurprising,given the potential magnitude of such an event, if it occurred, would no doubt and IMO be supressed..You have to ask yourself about the track record and intentions of those in power and our instituions at their very core..I would just like to use the wars our countries have undertaken on false premise and lied to there citizens about (just as a single example),along with many other scandals etc..To me there is a climate change/geologic/scientific fraud at hand,along with an astronomical fraud(which is plain to see) we have the UFO cover up a very real thing,gaining momentum by the day(i also have personal exp) we also have banking scandals..so on..im sure every area of study has been corrupted,as those at the highest echelons have infiltrated these areas.

Here is some info on Sitchin and Nibiru,Anunnaki etc..I wanted to introduce this a bit further on in the thread, as im sure many of you are well versed on him and his studies and usually the subject always comes back to him (so i wanted to show there is far more to it than Sitchin) yes he has his critics,but again those who uncover truths or occult knowledge normally are critisised/victimised.

I want to also present some information on OOParts (out of place artifacts) and ancient nuclear war evidence..You may think what does this have to do with Nibiru? Well to me i think it is definately relevent as part of the broader picture..i.e. ancient aliens (for lack of a better term) their involvement with humanity and their origins...from the conclusions i can draw, all the ancient structures around the world,certainly the famous ones and some more anomalous such as e.g. Puma Punku,were built by Anunnaki(blanket term)Wes Penres work fits it all together (as well as all the said subjects) in the best,most comprehensive, non bias way i have stumbled across over the years.It seems in our past there was overt control and at the present this has become covert..Some say, "when will 'aliens' land" well, so called 'aliens' have always been here IMO, just follow the trail..So with that said check out this info and to me it bolsters the teachings of Sitchin... Hence Nibiru..Enjoy!!

So in summary,i put this info forward as potential evidence indicating Historical Fraud!!

www.ancientchronicles.com...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.earthportals.com...

Info on OOparts here..
www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...
skeptoid.com...
www.pinterest.com...

Ancient nuclear war here..
controversialhistory.blogspot.cz...-2M0
subharanjangupta.wordpress.com...
jcolavito.tripod.com...
blog.hallofthegods.org...

Some info on the ancient cone head skulls of Peru and the Lloyd Pye video many of you may be familiar with..for those that aren't check it out..
www.google.cz... HXC8PlswbFtYH4Cw&usg=AFQjCNFuAIfKmkmlLTqvOCDqmr4Ffg3HLg&bvm=bv.60444564,d.Yms

www.unknowncountry.com...

www.google.cz... GvLsqItAaotYHICg&usg=AFQjCNEYiIZhdAvso79UQGARGGxKvmZKXw&bvm=bv.60444564,d.Yms

Another link here with info on sumeriens,you might have to look at the side articles to spot it..
ufosightingshotspot.blogspot.cz...

Another link here that maybe worthy of inclusion about 'ancient aliens'
www.theepochtimes.com...

Take it easy Guys i'll try and get back on later

reply to post by eriktheawful


Have you noticed that the OP is ignoring everyone that doesn't agree with them?

Something's wrong with this equation...

vkey08
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Have you noticed that the OP is ignoring everyone that doesn't agree with them?

Something's wrong with this equation...

Well, as you know it's against the TCs really to talk about the posters. "Go for the ball, not the player" as the mods on here would say.

However, I would say that I am a bit disappointed in the fact that the OP does not seem to want to directly address questions put to them by those that have a dissenting or skeptical opinion on this subject, but only seems to continue to dump links. That is not a discussion.

I mean PlanetXisHere was great all during 2012 on this subject. They would debate (as seen in this thread too). I actually enjoyed some of that back then (even if it was a little frustrating), PlanetXisHere would try their best to defend what they had posted back then. Not just keep dumping links and ignoring the discussion.

But there is not much one can do. If the OP refuses to actually enter in a dialog, there is nothing against the TCs about that. We could always alert the mods that there are many, many, MANY threads on all the material that the OP is posting, and ask to shut down the thread and redirect to those already existing threads. I was kind of hoping the OP had some new material on this subject, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So we wait I guess....and if the OP doesn't start engaging in discussion, but only keeps dumping old material that has already been debated to death on here, the thread will simply die on it's own.

eriktheawful

vkey08
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Have you noticed that the OP is ignoring everyone that doesn't agree with them?

Something's wrong with this equation...

Well, as you know it's against the TCs really to talk about the posters. "Go for the ball, not the player" as the mods on here would say.

However, I would say that I am a bit disappointed in the fact that the OP does not seem to want to directly address questions put to them by those that have a dissenting or skeptical opinion on this subject, but only seems to continue to dump links. That is not a discussion.

I mean PlanetXisHere was great all during 2012 on this subject. They would debate (as seen in this thread too). I actually enjoyed some of that back then (even if it was a little frustrating), PlanetXisHere would try their best to defend what they had posted back then. Not just keep dumping links and ignoring the discussion.

But there is not much one can do. If the OP refuses to actually enter in a dialog, there is nothing against the TCs about that. We could always alert the mods that there are many, many, MANY threads on all the material that the OP is posting, and ask to shut down the thread and redirect to those already existing threads. I was kind of hoping the OP had some new material on this subject, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So we wait I guess....and if the OP doesn't start engaging in discussion, but only keeps dumping old material that has already been debated to death on here, the thread will simply die on it's own.

going through all those links (at least the ones I am not already disgusted with) and seeing that it is all stuff we have gone over makes me feel like I'm on a wild goose chase with cryptic clues. I was hoping for something new also.

Thanks for the thorough and interesting read OP. Yes, there will be trolls as well as those who believe any and every thing. Consider it a service you're providing. It reminds me of the warning over the PA system when you enter an MLB or NHL game when they say you could be hit by a ball or puck. Chances are you won't be, but a remote chance always exists.

reply to post by eriktheawful


Thanks for the great questions Erik, I really appreciate and respect you for attempting to clarify the science and leaving the attempts at ego/emotional engagement out of the discussion. You have asked some really good questions, but I will need to do a little research to confirm the bases of the responses that are already forming in my mind, so please bear with me and I'll attempt to provide a worthy response either later today or tomorrow.

Namaste

WHY OH WHY WILL THESE NIBURU THREADS NOT DIE?!?!?!?!?! For crying out loud, the lack of even a basic understanding of planetary physics and orbital dynamics is astounding. I mean really, as in head shaking...

PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Thanks for the great questions Erik, I really appreciate and respect you for attempting to clarify the science and leaving the attempts at ego/emotional engagement out of the discussion. You have asked some really good questions, but I will need to do a little research to confirm the bases of the responses that are already forming in my mind, so please bear with me and I'll attempt to provide a worthy response either later today or tomorrow.

Namaste

edit on 4-2-2014 by PlanetXisHERE because: edit

As you continue to insult people (ego.emotional engagement) those of us who have looked into this at length await the answers with baited breath. Why can you not seem to leave the insults out of your statements?

A few more questions for you about this "planet X"

1) IF it has already been proven over and over again that no such planet exists, and we have the ability to see such a planet (even with the explanation that it doesn't emit any light of it's own or reflect the sun's light and exists only as infrared) why would anyone continue to try and push forward with claiming that it does.

2) Since it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Stichen's translations of the ancient Sumerian Texts was incorrect, and that he had no grasp on what they really said, why are people still using him as a source?

3) Why, if it has been proven, that the "red swirls and moons" of planet X are just artifacts created by a very flimsy bit of plastic from the inside of a floppy disc, do people continue to post that they are picking up the moons of this "planet"?

4) Why, if it has already been scientifically proven, that our planetary system wouldn't be here now if this supposed planet came careening through the Solar System 3600 years ago, would anyone still cling to this belief?

5) Why can no-one point to a peer reviewed, legitimate source for anything to do with this supposed planet that comes through every 3600 years?

6) And finally, why, if it can be proven beyond even the slightest trace of a doubt that there is no such planet, should ANYONE believe a pseudoscience site, over hundreds, maybe thousands of astronomers across the planet.


Remember this thing was supposed to come crashing into the Earth, back in 2003. Then the date was moved again to 2012, and now?

The problem with this whole planet X thing is a major misinterpretation of what people have said. Someone even went so far as to say Looney Tunes predicted Planet X in a cartoon because they named the planet that Duck Dodgers landed on Planet X (it was named as such as X = the Unknown, not after some mythical planet) There have been countless planets that have been called Planet X until they have been researched and catalogued, are all of these the mysterious one that is supposed to knock the planet on it's side?

It doesn't take a massive amount of brain cells to look through the available legitimate information, and conclude that this whole thing is at best a hoax, at worst someone's big practical joke. Again, this was supposed to happen in 2003, then in 2012, and now, I've seen at least 4 more dates for it that still to this day, no-one can agree upon.

Yes this sells books, yes this sells movies, and well yes it makes for rather entertaining television, but when you come right down to it, it ranks up there with hollow planets and expanding Earths, it just isn't so, and science has proven that, time and time and then time again....

you like to quote "bibliotecapleyades" , now.... if this were a trusted and legit site would they have an entire section that has quotes like this?

Zetatalk takes this a step further saying:
“A Phil Schneider assassination is evident, as is the death of Robert Harrington”.

Even they quote people that are not living as you have even stated, in reality as ways of trying to prove their points.. So.... I guess a final question to you would be:

If all you can use as proof, is a site that quotes people that have been shown to be unstable and/or outright liars, how is anyone supposed to believe that Planet X / Nibiru really exists... ???

jaffo
WHY OH WHY WILL THESE NIBURU THREADS NOT DIE?!?!?!?!?! For crying out loud, the lack of even a basic understanding of planetary physics and orbital dynamics is astounding. I mean really, as in head shaking...

Oh calm down.

Compared to back in 2012, Nibiru threads are actually rare these days.

You have to admit, it does break the rut of always the same discussions on here: Chemtrails or Contrails, AGW or Natural Climate Change, Right vs. Left, Gun Control or No Gun Control......

And of course yet another look at this UFO in this YouTube Video thread (actually, have not seen some of those in a while either.)

Heck, I'd take another "21 December, 2012 was the wrong date! The REAL date is blah blah blah!" thread, just to break up the rut ATS seems to be in.

So while I wish the OP would actually do more discussion with us (and less link dumping of old, rehashed material), or they had presented something new, it is good at least to see something other than another "Look At This Rock On Mars!" thread......

Need some more variety!

Buddyman
I would like to say that there may be info that can be found that can discredit this 'theory' of Nibiru,well that is unsurprising,given the potential magnitude of such an event, if it occurred, would no doubt and IMO be supressed..You have to ask yourself about the track record and intentions of those in power and our instituions at their very core..

No, that would be ad hominem. Spare me the "persecuted believer" spiel. You have to look at the evidence presented and see if it fits with reality. Sadly for you, Sitchen's "Nibiru" does not. You don't just have to accept it on faith that a massive planet or brown dwarf on an elliptical orbit that brought it through the inner solar system every 3600 years would destabilize the solar system, you can test the claim for yourself.

reply to post by Phage


Oh really? Because of rising co2 levels?

How come new bods like to discuss neveru/planetx.. its so old!
It is actually a pointless discussion.

Of all things that are out there.. A dwarf star inhabiting our outer Solar system is
really just science fiction/fiction.

Carry on noob doom porners

eriktheawful


Now...answer me some questions:

Based upon a 3,600 year orbit, the major axis of that orbit would be within 235 AUs. WISE was able to detect objects up to Jupiter size as far out as 63,000 AUs.
None were detected...... If Niburu existed....it would have been detected since 235 AUs is well within that limit. Explain why?

If Nibiru were to be what it is suppose to be (a massive object), then traversing the inner solar system would cause every single inner planet to end up with highly eccentric orbits......which they do not, but have very stable orbits.
If Nibiru exists, why is that?

If Nibiru passed by 3,600 years ago, causing global catastrophes........why did the Chinese not record any of it in their very well kept records?

Why would anyone want to use atomized gold to "heat" a world? Especially when it is a heavy element, and won't stay suspended in a atmosphere for long......and is reflective of light (including infrared), when gases such as CO2 and Methane are much, much better at staying in a atmosphere, are not reflective, and have very good global warming qualities, in much smaller amounts than gold. Why use gold again?

Why believe a economics major of what these ancient texts say over every modern day scholar who do major in this area?

Just a few questions.

Actually the existence of Planet X/Nibiru solves one of the major physics problems of the Nebular Hypothesis of solar system formation - and I'm sure you've guessed by now what I'm referring to - the issue of angular momentum.

The angular momentum issue is a well documented problem that has baffled solar system formation theorists for many years.The Sun contains 99.9 % mass, but only 1% of the total Angular Momentum. Most of the remainder is typically associated with the Jovian Planets. Theoretical Physicists developing Formation Theories are thwarted by this anomalous distribution.

The Binary Model provides allocations of Angular Momentum to Mass for Planets and Stars in line with common expectations.

Relative percentages of Angular Momentum


The above chart in ratios, "Angular Momentum to Mass ratio" formula, you can see that all the bodies in the solar system have ratios in line with their mass except the Sun


Make the assumption that the Sun has a binary twin and then it will have the proper angular momentum proportional to its mass


Binary Research Institute

reply to post by Buddyman


And what of the track record and intentions of those that are the main driving force behind Nibiru? Sitchin had a degree in Economics and yet was able to make a living writing Sci-Fi because of his theories. As far as I can tell Nancy Lieder supports herself off of her website. Look at all of the videos on YouTube claiming Nibiru's return is right around the corner. Now how many of those have been right? None. Now how many times has NASA been right when they've said not to listen to those people? All of them. So the big names in Nibiruology are batting 0 and making a living off of not really doing any work. That doesn't really sound like a good track record nor does it seem like they have the purest of intentions.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Hey! Good post!

Unfortunately we know that if the sun had another body, it can not be of sizable mass, because then the "brown dwarf" would ignite and be visible, if even as a red dwarf. And I know you're smart enough to know that there would be no hiding that.

However, a brown dwarf can be down to only 15 Jupiter masses, and even at that mass, the same size as Jupiter. That qualifies as a binaries with large mass difference. If they have large mass differences, then we are looking at two different kinds of orbits:

One in which both bodies orbit around a common point:



Or the smaller mass body orbits the sun:



And while either of those might still be possible............it means if there is something out there, it can't be Nibiru or Planet X.

Here is why: the binary body does not have a orbit that brings it into the inner (or even outer) solar system. Nibiru is suppose to make pass bys the Earth every 3,600 years.

Again, we know that even if there was another body out there, either orbiting the sun or with a common point, it can not be influencing the planets of our system, else the eccentricity of their orbits would be different. This goes for any speculation that the theoretical body orbiting our sun has planets and it is they they are sweeping into our system: their masses would disturb the eccentricity of our planets too.

So while your article is interesting, and I think it might have merit, it doesn't fit Nibiru's MO I'm afraid, so it doesn't really support it.

Here is a link to 90377 Sedna, a dwarf planet who's major axis of it's orbit takes it out to 937 AUs....that's astounding. It takes 11,400 years for it to complete it's orbit:



As you can see, the shape of it's orbit is....highly suggestive, heh.

I know, that's not exactly critical thinking, but still, if your trying to compile things that suggest a binary companion to the Sun, I would think 90377 Sedna would at least spark the suggestion in someone's mind.

However, again, a binary companion Nibiru can't be.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Theoretical Physicists developing Formation Theories are thwarted by this anomalous distribution.

Thwarted? Hardly. There are quite a few theories about it but the most widely accepted one is that the Sun forced matter out of the inner Solar System (including itself) early in the formation of the Solar System.

The presence of a violent T Tauri phase largely explains the angular momentum problem. By shedding a significant amount of mass in the form of T Tauri winds, the protoSun transferred its angular momentum to the outer Solar System, where we see it today.

www.geol.umd.edu...



But even if the Sun has a binary twin (not much evidence to support it, but it is remotely possible), it's pretty hard to figure out how it would relate to Nibiru. It is simply not possible for a large body to visit the inner solar system on a regular basis as Sitchin's invented planet does. If the Sun does have a binary companion, it would have to be very distant. Your own source gives it an orbital period of 24,000 years in order for its explanation of the angular momentum "problem" to be resolved.

reply to post by NibiruWarrior

You always know when some of the information you provide in a thread holds any water, by judging how fast all the shills like Phage, Tsurfer2000h, InhaleExhale etc jump onto it with their little "Ooh I found one fact that may be wrong, therefore..." strategy.

And you always know your thread is garbage when you have to start calling the people who point out obvious flaws 'shills.'

Take no notice of them, you cannot be expected to check every single fact as you are merely presenting others with information for further research. There may be some information in there that is incorrect, it stands to reason, and all these paid employees of TPTB do is pick one little fact that may be incorrect, and spin their replies as to discredit everything you have mentioned based on one fact possibly being wrong, when you have brought a whole host of information to the thread.

But when every last thing you have submitted turns out to be wrong, all you can do is admit that you've been duped. Either that, or call the people who pointed out your mistake 'shills.'

People should use this as a starting point and do their own research on the subject. All of the ancient civilisations knew more back then than we do today about this phenomena, and people who think they know either way in modern times are either lying or shills. Do these shills think they know more than the ancient civilisations knew? That's funny. This is probably one of the (if not the) best kept secret of our time/civilisation.

Of course, since there is no evidence that anyone believed this nonsense before the 20th century, keep repeating the lie, and keep calling people who point out the truth 'shills.'

Look at it this way, IF, the people who really know about this kind of stuff, world leaders, illuminati/freemasons, the Vatican, NASA, TPTB etc, knew that this stuff held no water or had no merit whatsoever, would they put so much effort into building all of the high-tech infra-red observatories to look for it (or to watch it's progress)? Also, if there was no substance to all of the facts surrounding Nibiru/Planet X/Wormwood, then would they bother to pay shills and disinformation agents such as Phage, Tsurfer2000h, InhaleExhale etc to (try to) throw us off the scent of any truths hidden in there?

The more desperate you get, the broader you must wave your arms. Be sure to invoke Masons, the Vatican, NASA, Nazis, Jews, Terrorists, Vaccines, Chemtrails, Rap Music... anything and everything that might cause an irrational response. Then repeat 'shill, shill, shilly shally shill....'

These people can no longer be considered intelligent sceptics, they are more along the lines of stooges and patsies. Their very existence has become one of boring rhetoric and as soon as I see the likes of these people on a thread trying to discredit the entire thread based on one little thing they may have spotted that doesn't ring true, that's when I know there is some truth or something to keep hidden in the thread, it really is quite easy to read these days. So much so in fact that I actually take pride in hating them now, as they have become part of the proof, and the more I see it the more I realise how transparent their actions and words are. These days I am above being affected by whatever they say as it is so see-though, and others are more than just starting to wake-up and feel the same.

Under no circumstances attempt to engage the obvious facts that they point out. Limit yourself to calling them names. Then flatter the people who agree with your rubbish like this:

Well done on a decent thread mate! S & F!

That's how it's done, mate!