Nibiru/Planet X The Thread...(Part Deux)

I personally think that the worst possible part of this type of hoax
is that if you take 10 mins and look up solar system modelling you
can actually see exactly what WOULD happen if these claims were
true and a large body were to move through our solar system.

The outcome of those models is ALWAYS catastrophic to our
solar system, shooting some planets out of their orbits completely,
crazy things like that..... yet somehow our solar system still
exists to this day though this has happened many times?

I would love to see these ideas made into a movie though, that's
the best way to enjoy doom porn, 2012 was a great movie.

Hi def planetary destruction as fiction is awesome.

reply to post by Aleister

Hey dude, well many suggest it is actually nearer..i've still got some stuff to put up, so bear with me and there has been a bit added since your post...as for the flash freezing, that is asscociated with a rapid pole shift i.e a tropical region finding itself in say, a near Arctic position enabling this effect to happen on the Mammoths,there is a lot of evidence in the natural world supporting this, as well as periods of 3600 year cyclical passing..your assumption on a Brown Dwarf causing just heat is not correct from what i gather, as i assume it would cause a range of weather phenomenon, as we are experiencing at the moment, albeit in a milder form than if it were very close..It is said to be very magnetic from what i gather,therefore causing a pole shift i.e rupulsion effect(think magnets)

reply to post by Phage


That animation was insane. It is imo more apropos to the logical effect of a large body suddenly entering the solar system.

bloodreviara
The outcome of those models is ALWAYS catastrophic to our
solar system, shooting some planets out of their orbits completely,
crazy things like that.....

Phage posted an animation of one of those models. It blew my mind. Deserves a re-post in case others missed it as well.

Aleister
reply to post by Buddyman

 

The 2012 transit of Venus was not seven minutes late, it started right on time but, depending on where you were on earth, took seven minutes to appear to everyone.

A Be afraid, be very afraid, scenerio should be based on such rock-solid facts that there leaves no room for error or disagreement. There was enough of this in 2012 to last awhile, and as I recall each and every assertion was proven wrong, leaving zero evidence of an incoming ball of doomporn.

There is no need to be afraid if this scenario were the case, that emotion lies within yourself...As i've tried to highlight, is the credibility of our establishments i.e NASA who have been caught out many a time,well they are comprised of Freemasons..so we have structures on many Moons,Mars,Asteroids which have been covered up but are gradually being released it seems,not forgetting the Moon landing hoax and it is my beleif that man cannot pass the Van Allen belt as he would get fried by radiation,so that raises a valid question of who is telling us what and their intentions for our well being.We have the climate change scandal ammounting to nothing more than scientific fraud also.

Ok here are some links pointing toward the late passing of Venus..Like i say if this were officially accepted main stream, it could be the single piece of evidence that plays into the hands of this 'theory' so therefore the cover up will do all they can to suppress it.
I was a bit dubious about adding the last link because of the stigmatism it holds,yes i myself can find holes in 'her' work..BUT..it is seemingly one of,if not the only source/s with the whole climate/geographical issue collected together as a bigger picture and they are accurate that much is true..So it isn't feasible for me to collect all the amateur videos of the transit from over the world,so here are some interesting links on that.
somethgblue.hubpages.com...
www.zetatalk.com...

Phage
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Now we have the subject of anomalous/freak/record breaking weather in the present day we have sinkholes,record jet streams speeds and displacement,Polar vortexs splitting,earthquake intensity and frequency of unprecedented

Yes the climate is changing, mostly because of rising CO2 levels.

Earthquake frequency and intensity are not "unprecedented."

And yet, with all these things that Nibiru is supposed to be doing, the tides are working exactly as they are supposed to. It's causing earthquakes but it can't shift water around, even a little bit. One would think that the tides would be one of the first things to be affected.

Oh, I live near the ocean. Don't tell me that the tides are going crazy, because they aren't.

edit on 2/2/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I disagree,the basic charts will show a sharp rise over the years until the present, of a steep incline in this activity,also methane levels,Co2,fireballs and to save typing,well all climate issues show the same trend.An example and misconception when it comes to floods,is that it is just rain related,but really have been caused by a back wash from the sea,not just rain,indicating plate movement,pushing the flow back up the river,whether there is rain or not..Vietnam is one example of this,receiving floods when there has been no rain at times and the subsidence of Indonesia and surrounding countries all can be put down to plate movement because of their locations.
The rise in Co2 has been blamed solely on humans,but if you think about the increase in volcanism,which in turn puts out much co2,then this is the cause,which in turn raises temperature melting permafrost releasing trapped methane,which is far more detrimental to the environment than Co2.Our core is heating which has nothing to do with humans and in ways can be logical to think that it 'is' being gravitationally effected by something...what is that something??
We have the Mid Atlantic ridge splitting and Iceland has shown this where it lies on the boundary.
I must mention that there is a buoy early warning system at sea which,funnilly enough was taken offline,but when it has been up, it did indeed show that there is sea inbalences indicating crustal movement,the Mid Atlantic ridge is also effecting the New Madrid fault line and they all in fact effect eachother much like the domino effect.
Here are a few links..about volcanism and the climate change myth as many suggest..Firstly Ian Plimer is supporting the idea of volcanoes outweighing human output..of coarse mainstream disagrees, but we should know mainstream is funded by the agenda and their wishes to mislead the public..Also there is reference to the hacked emails of East Anglia University,England,which many suggest is another sign of misleading diagnosis of climate change
anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com...
blog.world-mysteries.com...
homosapienssaveyourearth.blogspot.cz...
www.dailymail.co.uk... ml

InhaleExhale
reply to post by Buddyman

 

as for the Venus comment are you relying on NASA or mainstream lol

So what info is reliable in your eyes and where do get it from to say Venus was late by 7 min.?

How would that be any different than someone else listening to NASA for reliable info if they really don't understand what the info means?

Some of the stuff you have posted is clear give away you have fallen for disinformation, the bank note, your chemtrail comment show your gullibility in believing what you see and read on the internet.

I understand what your saying,but all i have posted i have put forth as an impartial,so there is the first assumption you made and have overlooked what i have said, that it is up to people to make their own minds up!! I am displaying a bigger picture and pattern that i have found immerging from all aspects, i.e geography,topography,archeology,Space,metaphysics,nature,history, prophecy so on and of coarse i have read books,so would always urge people to delve further into this,its not easy getting 10 years of research down that quick,which some of what i have learned cannot be displayed, just told,which for the skeptical mind is not enough,i can appreciate that and especially when people ignore what i said about reserving judgment until everything is displayed..Im sorry if this squashes your cozy paradigm,but in case you haven't noticed, all is not well in the world,people should see the bigger picture and wake up,as they should know the tactics used by those in power and follow past examples..I must mention i have also seen many UFOs/etvs, up close and personal even!! on a few occasions (which the craft changed shape) that statement is relevent to our current understanding of psysics,i must also say that as everyone should know tech is thousands of years in advance of what is in the public arena,so logically speaking,if the study goes correct,which it makes sense in my conclusions... then we had superiorly advanced beings create us/tinker with DNA 500,000 years ago...Even mainstream science is catching on!!Just think at that level of tech(pause)..Even cloaking a planet is possible IMO...Easily!! and from all the years and dis info out there on UFOs and Alien species..IMO the best source and compilation of the real story is in the Wes Penre papers..but it may take a week or so to read,but i really recommend it(Wes.penre.com),it touches on the the Multiverse,holographic nature of the universe,Aliens,ufos, Nibiru,the real powers that be Annunaki/Sirian Alliance and so much more put together, in a non bias,logical way with good source info..

It would be cool to have some constructive debate on what we have guys, rather than the same old disbeleivers..I mean the both side argument is nescessary,but after looking over discussions like this for a long time, it is rare that anyone acknowledges some good info thats there and start nit picking..To be honest i put this up for people to decipher and connect dots for themselves, rather than asking negative questions,i mean i have a lot to add which is decently sourced, so stop with the internet credibility you sound like my Dad lol..any way, judging by the levels of response,i won't be able to answer everybody,i will try, i might add..thats not a cop out..i have responsibilities..so if you really want to ask important question feel free to p.m. me,Thanks very much Guys!!

reply to post by Buddyman

but all i have posted i have put forth as an impartial

Please stop saying that you are 'impartial.' If you were impartial, you would be willing to weigh all the evidence against the nutters who claim that there is a massive, undiscovered body in the solar system. You would also be able to see the distortions propagated by the Nibiru/Planet X hoaxers. You have spent ten years looking for things that seem to affirm your delusions. Please stop boxing yourself in. Open your mind and free yourself!

Urantia1111


the mere scale of attack on your OP, to me, indicates that some or all of what you've posted is accurate.

Or what the OP suggest is actually really stupid.

Urantia1111
the quality of the rebuttals is predictably poor and in the standard "Don't anyone dare believe this or you're a dumbass!" format. the days of online shillery being an effective strategy are over.

What? Phage has put foward some pretty important queastions and rebuttals.

Urantia1111
i think your evidence is more than adequate.

Opinions from woo woo land? And missquoated and mis understood articals that say nothing of the sort thats being claimed?

reply to post by Buddyman

Rather than the same old disbeleivers..

There are those of us who have studied this until the cows come home and have come to the same conclusions, it's all a bunch of bunk. Why you may ask? The answer is simple..

The sites used to "confirm" the evidence that you keep putting forth (Bibliotechapleadies, Zetatalk, PoleShiftNing, et al) are all of dubious and questionable merit, when discussing Zetatalk and Poleshift, that becomes even more evident as one of nancy's own moderation team defected and put up a nice document detailing how Nancy is a fraudster and the fact that her stuff is debunked by her own team repeatedly and how she covers it by not acknowledging she could possibly not know what she's talking about (re: Red Filters, Swirling moons of Planet X, Planet X movement et al)

So before you can have an intellegent discussion on the subject there has to be something other than people using Stichen, and Nancy as absolute source.... as they are not what one would call, reputable. To dismiss out of hand that which is proven scientific fact, discounts the hours upon hours upon hours of research people on this site have done to prove or disprove the Planet X phenomenon.. in the end, it was disproven as pseudoscience at best, a steaming pile of ..

Buddyman
reply to post by Aleister

 

Hey dude, well many suggest it is actually nearer..i've still got some stuff to put up, so bear with me and there has been a bit added since your post...as for the flash freezing, that is asscociated with a rapid pole shift i.e a tropical region finding itself in say, a near Arctic position enabling this effect to happen on the Mammoths,there is a lot of evidence in the natural world supporting this, as well as periods of 3600 year cyclical passing..your assumption on a Brown Dwarf causing just heat is not correct from what i gather, as i assume it would cause a range of weather phenomenon, as we are experiencing at the moment, albeit in a milder form than if it were very close..It is said to be very magnetic from what i gather,therefore causing a pole shift i.e rupulsion effect(think magnets)

You can take this one off the list too.
www.sheppardsoftware.com...

Preserved frozen remains of woolly mammoths have been found in the northern parts of Siberia. However, the popular notion that these bodies were 'flash frozen' and perfectly preserved is a myth propagated by authors such as Immanuel Velikovsky. Preservation is a rare occurrence, essentially requiring the animal to have been buried rapidly in liquid or semi-solids such as silt, mud and icy water which then froze.
To date, thirty-nine preserved bodies have been found, but only four of them are complete. In most cases the flesh shows signs of decay before its freezing and later desiccation. Stories abound about frozen mammoth corpses that were still edible once defrosted, but the original sources indicate that the corpses were in fact terribly decayed, and the stench so unbearable that only the dogs accompanying the finders showed any interest in the flesh.

www.heraldextra.com...
Don't eat the rotten mammoth meat
schools-wikipedia.org...
www.talkorigins.org...

reply to post by DilligafMisfit

how does that mean that the so called debunks are not just another part of the programming itself?

Simple,

However I cant tell you as if you take on my way of identifying then haven't you been manipulated by my way of doing things and thinking?

One has to identify their own programming, then one might attempt to identify from which direction its coming from or pinpoint it through all the noise its hiding in.

reply to post by Buddyman

which some of what i have learned cannot be displayed, just told,

Keep digging a deeper hole.

If something is learned and cannot be displayed it is simply because what was said to be learned wasn't really understood, so one must preach what they know and not display.

Much that speak of Nibiru in a way to get the news out so to speak for others to make up their own minds follow a similar pattern.

which for the skeptical mind is not enough,i can appreciate that and especially when people ignore what i said about reserving judgment until everything is displayed..

Every mind is skeptical.

It only takes faith to believe words and not understand them.

Well its up to an individual when and what they will judge, you throwing yourself and what you come to say out there for all to read will be questioned as soon as its said if it is believed to be incorrect.

Im sorry if this squashes your cozy paradigm

My paradigm is of my own creation using darkness as a base and chaos a vehicle to traverse consciousness, so what you are posting is right up my alley.

I simply disagree with some of the info you have brought to the table and been seen multiple times before.

but in case you haven't noticed, all is not well in the world,people should see the bigger picture and wake up,as they should know the tactics used by those in power and follow past examples..

This bigger picture you talk of, why is it so small that you cannot find anything well in the world?

What is the tactic used by those in power? Is it fear, do they use fear to manipulate society?

I must mention i have also seen many UFOs/etvs, up close and personal even!!

Great, that would interesting to read about, maybe in a thread of its own?

on a few occasions (which the craft changed shape) that statement is relevent to our current understanding of psysics,

My understanding could differ greatly to yours.

i must also say that as everyone should know tech is thousands of years in advance of what is in the public arena,so logically speaking,if the study goes correct,which it makes sense in my conclusions... then we had superiorly advanced beings create us/tinker with DNA 500,000 years ago...

How many 1000s of years in advance?

What study?

It would be cool to have some constructive debate on what we have guys, rather than the same old disbeleivers..

So construct something to debate as all you have done is repeated age old information and disinformation.

What do you believe when it comes to Nibiru, your genetic creation by advanced beings is getting too far away from debating anything as like some have said you will add everything even the kitchen sink.

It was nice to add your UFO and ET experience but why?

Why add that one sentence and another about advanced beings and technology being 1000s of years ahead in a thread about NIbiru that you want debated but have supplied so much that when one thing you have brought up is questioned it fails to get an answer.

To be honest i put this up for people to decipher and connect dots for themselves, rather than asking negative questions,i mean i have a lot to add which is decently sourced, so stop with the internet credibility you sound like my Dad lol..any way, judging by the levels of response,i won't be able to answer everybody,i will try, i might add..thats not a cop out..i have responsibilities..so if you really want to ask important question feel free to p.m. me,Thanks very much Guys!!

So its just a repeat all the info that has come across ATS numerous times just in the order you choose.

People have deciphered all the info and connected all the dots as all the dots you bring have been brought before many times.

Rather than answering questions and giving readers the constructive debate you wanted and asked for a second ago you will just keep on preaching because some things can only be told right.

The problem with Nibiru / Planet X to exist, lays in the non-existence of any observable data. Be it actually seen in the sky, or it's effects that it would have on everything within our solar system.

Many have jumped on the "but it's a brown dwarf and emits no light!" idea, failing to realize that it may not emit visible light, but it will emit heat. And while it might not emit visible light.....it will reflect the sun's visible light.

Take a look at Kuiper Belt dwarf planets. They are so small.....and yet we can still detect them and their movements. Take a look at 90377 Sedna. It's only about 1,000 km wide, has a 11,400 year orbit. It's orbit takes it over 937 AUs away, and the closest it gets to the sun is 76 AUs.

And yet we were still able to spot it from the sun light reflected off of it, even as small as it is and as far as it is.

A brown dwarf is going to be at least the same size as Jupiter, even if it's mass is much greater (at least 15 Jupiters to be a Brown Dwarf).

When WISE was sent up to survey the sky, it had the resolution to spot a Jupiter sized body up to 63,000 AUs (one light year) away. It failed to find anything like that that far, or closer.

The physics also shows no evidence for Nibiru. You can not have a heavy mass object come into the solar system every 3,600 years, and expect the orbits of all the planets in the solar system to remain the way they are. The orbits of the planets will change each time, getting worse and highly eccentric to where some would end up spiraling into the sun, or being ejected from the solar system.

The orbits of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are quite stable with very low eccentricity at all. This indicates that their orbits have been this way for millions to billions of years.

Record of the past: there would be evidence of a planetary catastrophe 3,600 years ago. There isn't. And no, frozen mammoths are not proof of anything, except that they were frozen after they died.

The Chinese on the other hand kept very good records going back that far. None of their records indicate anything of this nature back then. No pole shift (they were very good astronomers and paid attention to what was in the sky, where it was in the sky), no large body passing through the sky (a Jupiter sized brown dwarf entering the inner solar system would be quite visible).....and certainly no records of aliens showing up and demanding gold from them.

The conspiracy angle: NASA is lying to you!
Okay........and what about all the other space agencies? You have the ESA, the Russians, the Chinese, India.........are they all lying? Are the all "in on it"?

What about the hundreds of universities all around the world with their own observatories and equipment? Are they all "in on it" too?

What about the literally tens of millions of amateur astronomers around the world? Some with better equipment than some of the universities......are the all "in on it" too?

You can't hide the sky.


So who should you believe? A man that didn't actually understand sumerian text that well, who had no education at all in astronomy or orbital mechanics (but was a economics major)? A woman on the internet, who urged people to go out and kill their pets back in 2003 because Nibiru was coming and the pets shouldn't suffer?

Or how about you use some critical thinking. Investigate and research using actual science.......and not YouTube or CT websites.

Also, for future reference: Creating a thread, where you dump a ton of links and walls of text does not a quality thread make. It's like you made a HUGE pile of junk.....and hoped that something would come from it.

You're not connecting any dots here. You're taking a very large black marker and turning a paper black.

reply to post by Buddyman


Very interesting Buddyman.

Having a science background, I was very doubtful of all this at first, in fact I laughed at it.

One of the main factors which changed my mind was when I discovered the FACT that many of the most massive EQ's we had over the past few years occurred almost exactly 188 days apart, including the Japanese, Chilean and New Zealand ones. Impossible according to current geologic theory, so they demanded explanation by another factor.

And then I looked at most of the rest of the occurrences, most of which you mentioned, such as the huge increase in mass animal deaths (toxic gas releases from tectonic activity), huge increase in fireballs accompanied by sonic booms, the strange sounds of screeching metal heard around the world, massive ghost cities in China HUNDREDS of miles away from current population centers, Hillary recalling every US ambassador in 2011 back to the US for secret meetings, relocation of CIA, NSA and NASA to the middle of nowhere and THOUSANDS of miles from their traditional locales, strange executive orders granting enormous powers to the US government in violation of the constitution, and many other geological, climatic and socio-political anomalies.

Of course people ask, well why don't astronomers see it? Well, there are literally billions of objects in our galaxy that do not emit light in the visible spectrum, thus can only be seen with an infrared telescope. Nibiru/Planet X is one of those objects, in fact Robert Harrington had ordered one to use in Australia to search for Planet X and died shortly after this request of an aggressive cancer, what better way to silence someone and make it look natural? The science and technology exist for this kind of assassination tool. Robert Harrington wasn't some conspiracy theorist, he was the Chief US Naval Astronomer.

The IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) was the first to detect Nibiru/Planet X in the 1980's. There have been many infrared telescopes launched over the last decade or so, such as the Spitzer, James Webb, Herschel - must be something they really want to see.

You have to ask yourself, IF there were a Planet X, would the masses be told? Of course not, secrets much less damaging than this are kept from the masses. The elites use the lie that the masses would panic, but in truth they are afraid of losing power and control, and possible being strung up for keeping the truth secret for so long. People lived with the ever present and real spectre of nuclear Armageddon for five decades, I believe if they had the capacity to deal with that truth they could deal with almost any truth.

If Nibiru/PlanetX were truly a crazy untrue whacky myth, and someone talked about it, they would be ignored.

If there were some truth to it, it would targeted for heavy debunking. What has happened in this thread?

Hey Guys i appreciate your responses,like i said in the last post, im caught between putting up what info i can in sections,in the little time i have..I haven't ignored or shyed away from points you Guys have brought up,as i've started from the beginning of the thread with already asked questions and will get through them.

I think what i have brought up so far is relevent and i know it is not possible that you could have read all the links..as one of the most important bits of info IMO will take a week to read(it did for me) again here it is wespenre.com.

If you will forgive me, i would like to post what i can and then get round to answering what i can with a worthy response.

Some info here on the Minoan warming period and the Santorini eruption which seemingly was responsible for the exodus in Egypt and was spoken off as far afield as China in ancient texts,with corresponding tree ring data and ice cores in Greenland,again this falls around circa 1600bc.


www.volcanodiscovery.com...
www.pbs.org...
www.visit-santorini.com...

Props to the fellow ATS'er for this thread highlighting much of what has been spoken about..

www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=

Some graphs here about the Minoan warming period and ice core data so on..having trouble with the link so just go to photos and of coarse there is items to look through in a general search..

www.google.cz...:csfficial&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wKH vUuuYNbLc4QS97YGYDg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=657#imgdii=_

A very interesting link here with some great content and a few excellent videos,with reference to The Secrets Of Fatima,the prophecies of Malachi Martin and the Vaticans involvement in Astronamy,not forgetting their Infrared telescopes..

www.in5d.com...


A link here on the project WORMWOOD?? facility/operation at the Learmonth observatory,Australia..

www.ips.gov.au...

Some cool info randomly added here about the binary model Solar System..

www.binaryresearchinstitute.org...

PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Very interesting Buddyman.

Having a science background, I was very doubtful of all this at first, in fact I laughed at it.

A lot of us are still laughing at it....

One of the main factors which changed my mind was when I discovered the FACT that many of the most massive EQ's we had over the past few years occurred almost exactly 188 days apart, including the Japanese, Chilean and New Zealand ones. Impossible according to current geologic theory, so they demanded explanation by another factor.

And it couldn't happen that many days apart naturally why? Planet X doesn't explain plate tectonics, this was pointed out to you in another thread and you ignored it and attacked people as OH YEAH "Paid shills"

And then I looked at most of the rest of the occurrences, most of which you mentioned, such as the huge increase in mass animal deaths (toxic gas releases from tectonic activity), huge increase in fireballs accompanied by sonic booms, the strange sounds of screeching metal heard around the world, massive ghost cities in China HUNDREDS of miles away from current population centers, Hillary recalling every US ambassador in 2011 back to the US for secret meetings, relocation of CIA, NSA and NASA to the middle of nowhere and THOUSANDS of miles from their traditional locales, strange executive orders granting enormous powers to the US government in violation of the constitution, and many other geological, climatic and socio-political anomalies.

Well lets see, DUH toxic gasses emit from the Earth when a huge plate moves as it opens a crack... the Ghost cities were explained due to China's inability to plan correctly, even the Chinese Government says they aren't for a "planet X or other type of scenario", Hillary calling every ambassador back was explained to you 50 times over, just because you don't like the answer that was given does not make it any less true. NASA was relocated? really? WHEN? AFAIK it's still located in Huston, with an ancillary facility in Florida and another one at Edwards AFB. Strange executive orders? Most of them came about in the 70's to promote continuity of government in a Nuclear War, not Planet X, nothing strange about trying to keep your country going after a Nuke hits, some were amended after 9/11 to include other types of disasters like Earthquakes, Hurricanes and oh.. yeah... Terrorism. Again this was explained to you AT LENGTH, you just refuse to listen. Most of your "climatic" problems are coming form the gradual warming trend the world is going through, partially because of man, partially because well it just happens, not because of a mysterious planet that no-one can see. WHAT SOCIAL POLITICAL ANOMALIES???? PLEASE WE HAVE ASKED ON THIS ONE FORM YOU FOR YEARS AND YOU CANNOT MENTION ONE THAT ISN'T JUST A CONTINUATION OF AN OLDER CONFLICT!!!!!

Of course people ask, well why don't astronomers see it? Well, there are literally billions of objects in our galaxy that do not emit light in the visible spectrum, thus can only be seen with an infrared telescope. Nibiru/Planet X is one of those objects, in fact Robert Harrington had ordered one to use in Australia to search for Planet X and died shortly after this request of an aggressive cancer, what better way to silence someone and make it look natural? The science and technology exist for this kind of assassination tool. Robert Harrington wasn't some conspiracy theorist, he was the Chief US Naval Astronomer.

Again, explained to everyone, even a brown dwarf would give off some type of energy that could be seen/recorded.

The IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) was the first to detect Nibiru/Planet X in the 1980's. There have been many infrared telescopes launched over the last decade or so, such as the Spitzer, James Webb, Herschel - must be something they really want to see.

the IRAS did NOT find Planet X, it did however find some brown Dwarfs a few black holes and other non visible light producing events, none were on a collision course with our solar system. Science wanting to exand their knowledge of the universe is hardly a case for Planet X.

You have to ask yourself, IF there were a Planet X, would the masses be told? Of course not, secrets much less damaging than this are kept from the masses. The elites use the lie that the masses would panic, but in truth they are afraid of losing power and control, and possible being strung up for keeping the truth secret for so long. People lived with the ever present and real spectre of nuclear Armageddon for five decades, I believe if they had the capacity to deal with that truth they could deal with almost any truth.

There isn't a planet X so why do we have to ask ourselves anything, it's bad pseudoscience run amuck

If Nibiru/PlanetX were truly a crazy untrue whacky myth, and someone talked about it, they would be ignored.

If there were some truth to it, it would targeted for heavy debunking. What has happened in this thread?

It's being debunked because it's a steaming pile of bunk, nothing more nothing less. In two years you have failed to prove any of your points, why try again now, or is it because someone new has come along for you to try and wow with the same old tired and worn out crud?

PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Very interesting Buddyman.

Having a science background, I was very doubtful of all this at first, in fact I laughed at it.

One of the main factors which changed my mind was when I discovered the FACT that many of the most massive EQ's we had over the past few years occurred almost exactly 188 days apart, including the Japanese, Chilean and New Zealand ones. Impossible according to current geologic theory, so they demanded explanation by another factor.

And then I looked at most of the rest of the occurrences, most of which you mentioned, such as the huge increase in mass animal deaths (toxic gas releases from tectonic activity), huge increase in fireballs accompanied by sonic booms, the strange sounds of screeching metal heard around the world, massive ghost cities in China HUNDREDS of miles away from current population centers, Hillary recalling every US ambassador in 2011 back to the US for secret meetings, relocation of CIA, NSA and NASA to the middle of nowhere and THOUSANDS of miles from their traditional locales, strange executive orders granting enormous powers to the US government in violation of the constitution, and many other geological, climatic and socio-political anomalies.

Of course people ask, well why don't astronomers see it? Well, there are literally billions of objects in our galaxy that do not emit light in the visible spectrum, thus can only be seen with an infrared telescope. Nibiru/Planet X is one of those objects, in fact Robert Harrington had ordered one to use in Australia to search for Planet X and died shortly after this request of an aggressive cancer, what better way to silence someone and make it look natural? The science and technology exist for this kind of assassination tool. Robert Harrington wasn't some conspiracy theorist, he was the Chief US Naval Astronomer.

The IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) was the first to detect Nibiru/Planet X in the 1980's. There have been many infrared telescopes launched over the last decade or so, such as the Spitzer, James Webb, Herschel - must be something they really want to see.

You have to ask yourself, IF there were a Planet X, would the masses be told? Of course not, secrets much less damaging than this are kept from the masses. The elites use the lie that the masses would panic, but in truth they are afraid of losing power and control, and possible being strung up for keeping the truth secret for so long. People lived with the ever present and real spectre of nuclear Armageddon for five decades, I believe if they had the capacity to deal with that truth they could deal with almost any truth.

If Nibiru/PlanetX were truly a crazy untrue whacky myth, and someone talked about it, they would be ignored.

If there were some truth to it, it would targeted for heavy debunking. What has happened in this thread?

Thanks Planet..Your post has just caught my eye, i will also to get around to responding to everyone else excuse me..

Your absolutely right about the E/Qs..I remember a few years back these were linked to Elenin..and its tradjectory and subsequent planetary/Sun allignments..well, simply put,i beleive it was on the same tradjectory as Nibiru i.e around the Sun...(lets say in theory,to be 'liberal') albeit ahead of the object in question..and again many of these comets are surely entourage as with the meteorites (which are predominantly green ,which was predicted for this scenario nearly 20 years ago) also to note the red dust/iron oxide is part of this debris field,which is noted by the ancients as red rivers so on and is happening now,also science accepts that Brown Dwarfs do contain this around them.

I like the points you have brought up as well, im sure there are many pieces of the puzzle to add to this saga..

That is also exact what you are saying about the infrared capability needed to see it..i put up an earlier link in thread saying how Brown Dwarfs can be as hot as a cup of tea also..and there was a very interesting comment by a scientist saying how difficult it could be,possibly more so,to spot one in our own system than in others..maybe this will be what may have made it difficult for the many amateurs,along with ideal location,as it is supposedly coming/came inbound from a southerly tradjectory (hence southern hemisphere observatories in general and of coarse Antartica) along with appropriate and sizeable telescopes...In fact they say they haven't been studying Brown Dwarfs for long enough to know everything about them and orbital time as it takes 1000s of years and its been approx 20years of study?...but the 2 sun aspect needs addressing in this thread,as some say that is where it resides now approx (maybe the Sun is a valid reason of its difficulty to see currently... as well as the holographic/multiverse/metapsysical/itelligent control aspect of its existence.

Again your spot on about the circumstances and tech and used to kill Harrington (and additional info)..if we could call it tech, although i know they have sonic devices to induce heart attacks..So i'm sure they know many means(unfortunately)

Again the sighting by NASA was/is relevent although they retracted their statement..Interesting how they spotted this item in the direction of the constellation Orion..and that is also the direction the pertabations of the planets are drawn to??

There seems to be a cover up at hand that takes many guises and of coarse they want this kept a secret..One point to make,is that most attention is always focused on doom/destruction etc, with this subject, but what gets over looked,is that if the planet/body is in existence,then we have to entertain who it will be resident to! i.e so called Anunnaki..could they be the other faction apposing who is currently in control on this planet and has been since its last arrival i.e Enki and Enlil clans??- for those who have looked into the Sumeriens(i will add some info on that later) Is this where the mainstream conditioning comes into play i.e evil malevolent aliens...Im quite sure the real evil has played itself out over our history..(not for me to be negative,but there is a wave of goodness/awareness sweeping the planet even if this is supressed by media i.e constant grim headlines)
Your correct about the debunking..whether people feel frustration/denial..and are venting it here because they may feel that their government would not withhold this from them?..well they would,sorry...

Then you get the people from a purely scientific background who challange it,although im no expert, i would say i can hold my own against them guys (and i will try and stick to the facts we do know, just for overall clarity) as science is not comprised of a unified theory, therefore cannot completely disprove it,even though it has been shown theoretically that this scenario is completely plausible..
So thanks again for your comment,its nice to hear a good response with a nice tone to boot...please chime in again, i like what you have brought up.Thanks.

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Well, there are literally billions of objects in our galaxy that do not emit light in the visible spectrum,

The same as lets say........ the hand that is attached to your arm.


Your hand doesn't emit any light does it? If you are mutant and part of the X men thats a different story, but for now lets continue...


Why can you see your hand when it doesn't emit any light?


This example has been given to many times before, my pets know what reflection is.


Light will reflect of a brown Dwarf, if its larger than Jupiter as claimed it would be seen by the naked eye quit early in its entrance to our solar system.