Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

Willtell
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Vallee talks so much about UFOs in terms of some kind of “social phenomena”. I could really get with that. Then he goes on to talk the same old control power trip that always leads me to seeing him as the sorcerers apprentice. But in 2014 the sorcerers apprentice is the wise scientist like him and the sorcerer is the government. He disappoints me when he veers to that angle seemingly all the time.

I wouldn't be so sure that Vallee ain't a sorcerer. Weirdness followed the dude around, like a less freaky version of Geller and Livermore. What really strikes me as odd is that Vallee isn't using psychedelic drugs, but hangs out with their advocates in the 1970's. This is all so frustratingly weird.

reply to post by The GUT


Again, thought provoking stuff big G.

A control system.......Imagine one that was put in place a certain "time" ago where 'X' 000 years later it has morphed into a psychological phenomena where death is it's signature and "life" is it's feedback loop - like reincarnation or something similar.[insert old school wink emoticon]

But, it is all a ruse to steer us, as a species, in a particular direction.......the purpose of which is only known to a few.

And those few can't get too specific otherwise they will be erased from the control system.

Now, that would be a real trip.......don't ya reckon??

Now, what do we have today, that has been with us since recorded history AND keeps us divided?

Hmmmmm.

I commented in a thread recently stating my suspicion that we are probably in a artificial reality, but my belief in other intelligent beings interacting with humans and earth has always been difficult to reconcile with the simulation theory.

Unless the aliens or extra dimensionals and UFOs are the system moderators

Think about it, the creator wants to influence us without revealing their own existence - what better way than to introduce an apparent third party (in our eyes).

Sure the system could force us into certain actions with natural events like climate or volcanoes and the like, but as our technology develops we would be able to interact with these processes and understand them.

The visitors for lack of a better word, are a long way of from being understood or even contacted - its the perfect cover for day to day tweaks of the system without arising suspicion of a control system - we see UFOs and think they are just like us (sentient beings) but more advanced , and where we may end up.

But the bottom line is if they were friendly and here for a selfless reason for our benefit or even mutual benefit, we would not be in the state we are today and they would more openly reveal themselves.

Deception hides in the shadows, truth is light.

Also the age old tactic of divide and conquer, which worked so well for my country of origin.

And advanced intelligence, whether extra terrestrial , extra dimensional (which could include the true reality - a space we cannot perceive) would surely use this tactic against us, why risk your own kind in direct interactions which could reveal the truth, when you could just create warring factions of religion to divide us and distract us - and when those religions start calming down and working towards unity - introduce another more agressive ideology say around 1400 years ago - to mix things up once again .

That last bit is just speculation as it all is, I don't want anyone to take that as a criticism of Islam.

reply to post by Willtell

WHY NOT BE SPECIFIC unless you are hiding something?

In order not to disturb the system in such away as to create a pre-determined outcome. Vallee's observation that the UFO phenomena has characteristics of a feedback loop is very profound. It is in this cybernetic sense that he is using the word "control." This is a very profound observation, as it challenges concepts such as "intelligence" and the relationship between the objective and subjective in human consciousness. I share his reticence to be more specific, other than to point out that the vast distances between stars means that the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis can only be true if the Inter-dimensional Hypothesis is true.

reply to post by The GUT



I think his approach is correct and corresponds to my own interest in observation of pattern, however he is caught up in a certain aspect of the greater web and will be unable to extricate himself, largely down to Geographic disadvantage and associate spiritual phenomena.

The key to understanding the greater system is, somewhat amusingly, the location of Nibiru, which is not as popularized by Sitchin an eccentric wandering Celestial body with deep frozen Annunaki upon it waiting to hop onto Earth at nearest crossing point like so many desperate penguins, but rather simply indicates a point of centre.

This could be in Celestial terms the highest point in the sky of the Suns trajectory at the intersection of the East-West and North-South axis, or a correspondent world belly button as it were, as applied in Mesopotamia this was variously seen as a cultic shrine of centre at Eridu and then later Babylon, their world view was built upon this concept of pattern extending outward from centre, in terms of both terrestrial and Celestial interests.

Interestingly even though the popularized interest in Nibiru is hopelessly misguided it still is effective in empowering the actual principle in the sense of raising archetypes within the unconscious mind, the propogation of such not without purpose, Nibiru then the CPU as it were of the computer metaphor.

There are other ways to visualize this system such as a spiders web or matrix, perhaps the most useful though is as fishing nets were the floats that support the net in it's extent are the spiritual centres strung out along it according to the function of that sector, these can be charged and activated, and were laid out according to purpose, if one wishes to attract the attention of those who did so then activate the given centre in the manner appropriate to function, and observe the results...it's my hobby

reply to post by The GUT


Interesting article T.G

Why does Vallee hesitate to be "too specific?"

My feeling is he doesn't want to be too specific because he doesn't know , he may have opinions but as a scientist prefers to keep them to himself for fear his words may be misinterpreted.

Has the "control system" theory been tested?

I believe it probably has and to an extent still is being tested by certain shadowy figures and organisations , the word `control` is irresistible to some and if there's a system for control then that must be found and used for their own ends or that of their masters.

It seems to me that the Human brain is set up for belief in the paranormal as has been shown throughout the ages from the earliest cave paintings right through to the UFO and Paranormal era we inhabit now , belief in the ancestors , Gods , Witches and Evil has been used as a control system by those in charge throughout history I see no reason why belief in UFOs wouldn't still be part of that control system.

www.ask.com...
"Feedback loop can be defined as a section of a control system which allows for feedback and self-correction while adjusting its operation according to disparities between the actual output and the desired output."



I would think that a big chunk of that self correction is the dichotomy between the contactee's & the mainstream ufology. Valid info is brought to light, then chewed up (steamrollered) by the mainstream. Actual output - Desired output.

Just the fact this whole "Control Mechanism" idea was trotted out years ago and we are still debating it's validity is just sad. The evidence has been in our faces for what? more than 20 years?

The Gut has begun many threads like this all with no real resolution. (no disrespect meant) It's obvious he's looking for a certain puzzle piece without wanting to actually ask the question. I mention this because it's past time for us to be coming up with some real answers instead of just nibbling around the edges.

Looking at this in light of WillTell's point that UFO's are the passive portion of the control system, that is brilliant in that humans are notoriously wildly unpredictable. Makes sense to me.

Thanks GUT, this helps in another line of inquiry I'm following.

In regards to 'control mechanisms', 'we' have them in place, and so do 'they'.

It appears 'they' are controlling their 'appearances', and 'our' representative are controlling our 'impression' of these appearances.

gortex


It seems to me that the Human brain is set up for belief in the paranormal as has been shown throughout the ages from the earliest cave paintings right through to the UFO and Paranormal era we inhabit now , belief in the ancestors , Gods , Witches and Evil has been used as a control system by those in charge throughout history.....

I see no reason why belief in UFOs wouldn't still be part of that control system.

Of course the UFO phenomena is going to be controlled, can you think of a single aspect of humanity that hasn't been the victim of control?

But to say it's all the Gov still fails to address this basic evidence:

Caver78


The Gut has begun many threads like this all with no real resolution

I believe we're all working towards the resolution..

reply to post by ObservingYou

But to say it's all the Gov still fails to address this basic evidence:

Did I say that ?
I'm not saying there isn't a phenomena but to an extent the phenomena is being manipulated and sometimes created by Governments or factions associated with them for their own ends.
I still see no evidence that the phenomena is extraterrestrial in origin although am still open to the possibility.

Here's your video for those interested.

reply to post by ObservingYou


Working with what we have, would also by necessity mean using what we have. Due to screening, the alleged manipulations of the human psyche some of the answers are buried pretty deep. The quickest way to get at them is to be "triggered". If the question is never asked, no triggering will happen, no new info will come to light.

Vallee's theory that we need to move away from existing groups to work outside the paradigm makes sense. So work with each other it is!! However that would entail we individually "get over ourselves" and honestly give it a shot.

This thread can either be another exercise in mental masturbation or actually take off and break new ground. In my own rough way I'm trying to nudge it in the latter direction.

reply to post by Caver78

I'm still in bed, it's cold, and neither I, the kitty, or the dog wanna move, so I'm on my sucky android and will have to wait until later to seriously address the posts here.

However, since the mental masturbation of my open ended threads are giving you fits, I will ask this: Aren't you the guy who believed the mermaid show on Animal Planet was real and you did a thread on it hypothesizing they were greys living underwater?

reply to post by gortex


Didn't say you did - I was hypothesizing. Like you do a lot.

reply to post by Caver78


Some people interested in this phenomena call for open mindedness when their own minds are already made up , I think Dr Vallee has a point here...

If you're convinced that UFOs are extraterrestrial, then about the only thing you can do is to climb to a hilltop with a flashlight and send a message in Morse code. People have tried that, I know, but it doesn't seem to work very will!

….Gordon Creighton thinks that witnesses are out of their bodies at the time of the event, hence the similarity with occult traditions. I told him that Passport to Magonia was being misunderstood by Americans, who seem unable to grasp the mythic power of the phenomenon, beyond its physical reality. ““People misunderstand the word myth””, he said. ““They think of a myth as something that isn't true. They can't understand that, on to contrary, a myth is that which is truer than truth.”…

That's why ufologists (well, everyone really) should become experts in comparative mythology, comparative religion, and comparative mysticism. That's the only way we will ever get over the misunderstanding of the word myth. Until we do, we won't make much progress.

The GUT


Just for a little fun, check out Mr. Mask's Jacques Vallee "rap!" Y'all remember Mr. Mask?

He can be my COD teammate any day!

He brings up a lot of good points in his video, basic ideas that seem to be overlooked. Namely, how much data do we obtain about another planet utilizing 1 probe? If these entities, innerdimensional or otherwise, have been here for 10's of thousands of years (or even since the 40's) just to observe us, why so much equipment?

Why is it, that when looked at from a different context (religion and ancient text) we can assign similar experiences and unbelievable stories to a similar phenomenon.

Maybe my brain works differently than most but when I try to understand the greater truth I do the opposite of most people. People like to analyze aspects of a phenomenon and find scientific proof of an existence. Don't get me wrong, for all intents and purposes this is a tried and true manner. Yet, for me, I've always been the bigger picture person in all aspects. Put me in front of a new process whether it be a new job or just a new problem. Most people recognize me in these instances as the "leader" because I dive right in and also highly adaptive, I just pick things up real quickly. Another words I try to understand its purpose and the "general" cause and effect, the rest is done through an inner intuition which most "scientists" would scoff at. Be that as it may, more often than not....I get it, and often better than most. I'm not saying this to toot my horn but rather for context and perhaps other like minded people will connect with these words , and if you haven't yet, re look at this phenomenon from that prism.

Supposedly in our past predeluvian humans hobnobbed with "Gods".

Some of us were even "part gods" because of naughty gods getting kinky.

Something went bad, really really bad. Some books point it to our follies while others point to the "gods"....abominations and all that.

The gods leave...or did they?

So why all the deceit? For our good or theirs? If they were responsible for the destruction of early man, could we forgive them? Or is it best to forget for the sake of all parties involved?

What's with the general uptick in interactions? The return of the gods? Why and why now? If they were "the hidden hand" all along, then why allow so much oppression from those who claim to want the best for us? Why steer people through religion and government?

Que bono?

reply to post by The GUT


I'm very familiar with Vallee's Control system, been using it in my life for may years!

Caver78


The Gut has begun many threads like this all with no real resolution. (no disrespect meant) It's obvious he's looking for a certain puzzle piece without wanting to actually ask the question. I mention this because it's past time for us to be coming up with some real answers instead of just nibbling around the edges.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this statement. It sounds like you have read them if you are referencing them but when I did not only did it take a painstakingly long time from all the data in them, but there are countless examples of specific characters and actions I have never heard of which helped me to identify my truth.

The difference between many of Guts threads and other "UFO" threads, is he doesn't dispute the fact of a real phenomenon, rather that there are those within government that wish to hijack the truth to make there own reality, sending us all on wild goose chases. Thankfully, the ATS community has the pleasure of TheGUT doing much of that for us. Personally, I would have lost my sanity weeding through the bush. I'd say Gut has done more for UFOlogy in these threads than most others combined. He has separated the wheat from the shaft as it were and allows us to differentiate a meme from a phenomenon.