Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

Very well said.

Nearly all humans 'us included' are constantly spammed with coercion of many kinds. Any of us could have gone deeply down the rabbit hole in an abused way. I myself spent over 20 years deprigramming myself from a bad mystical incident that nearly killed me and made me go insane. Now in my case I learned a lot from it....but I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I too was formally diagnosed with PTSD after I left the military ---- not fun.

Take care of yourself. ...and if you need a friendly voice just pm me.

Thanks for being honest and caring.

Kev

Good stuff guys. I'm really enjoying this so far.

@Baddogma is there any chance of the 'experiencers' joining the thread? I'd be real interested in hearing what stuff they've run into as a result of this.

Here's something of interest as well.

Taking into account the thread topic along with what Rosinitiate, phantomflier, and Logarock have added, then maybe the IDH creeps back in.

Aquino's observation is certainly worthy of consideration. If it is germane to this topic then maybe it's not a matter of adapting to space cooties but, rather, they've been here all along and are native so to speak. No cootie adaptation required.

Nature or creation or whatever certainly does love geometry and we are talking about geometric shapes with triangles and diamonds and all. Maybe these ancients are living geometric shapes? Plasmatic/EM in nature?

Or just plain 'ol Jung's daemons?

I'm seriously asking.

The shapes are also fully within the realm of form constants.

Why couldn't it be some aspect of us try8ing to communicate with us.

Call it the 'closed-loop model of the CS'.

a reply to: Bybyots

Because we still have to explain consciousness in that model. It makes "hardware" sense, but not software sense in my admittedly limited mind.

Then we have Plato's daemon...oy!

a reply to: The GUT

Before I go on at length...

Because we still have to explain consciousness in that model.

How does the model that I provided not include 'consciousness'.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

I find the Thalamo-Cortical, FM Radio Signals, and telepathy interesting.

Okay, so - most people have FM signals in the background, everywhere they are at every waking hour of the day. Even if it's just in the background, right? Well a good majority. I'm sure a lot of ATSers can boast otherwise, but I have to carve out quiet time - which is usually when I'm sleeping (ah ha) - but most people have music (440hz), even many work places have at least a radio, if not a tv on in the waiting room. Background FM signals at an unnatural Hz of 440.

Now if human to human, telepathic interaction occurs when our Thalamo-Cortical syncs up on an FM frequency with one another and nature itself, the Earth, which is 432 hz... what is the likelihood of that happening very often with interference? Wouldn't the TV, radio - anything on an FM frequency, run as interference, between each other? So telepathic communication while being awake diminishes - greatly.

This is likely a control. Telepathy can't grow into a recognized waking form of communication - with all the interference. Which relegates things like psi ability, dream premonitions, dimension time shifts/slips (ie. seeing through the veil/ forward or backward in time), coincidences - to the realm of woo woo.

If there was, a time to harvest this energy - It would be while vast amounts of people were sleeping. Perhaps when we all sleep, we all tune into the FM frequency and link up - not to just each other - but to the plants and animals and that links up to the greater whole of the Earth (Starship Earth ) - and on a (quantum level?) this creates an energy field/force? You know - as our technology increased - everyone's life has become harder right? Why? Shouldn't this technology afford us all - nights off - at least one "family" day a week - holidays that apply to all even those corporate entities? Shouldn't our life become easier - with more time to play - with each advancing decade? That's not what we are seeing.

In today"s society - we have people dividing three shifts - which creates a constant source of energy. Maybe they need a constant source of energy - those countries who posses this power. But it only activates effectively between people asleep, in a quiet atmosphere - so our cortical column's link up together to from an organized super computer - able to chart out and move things through vast amounts of space/time. If you have to utilize energy to your area - then we know what countries have the technology and those who don't. All you have to do is look at a night map at the countries that never sleep. Those would be the big name players who possess the dream harvesting technology, and need it at a constant flow. (What are they doing up there?!? :/ ) Because they would always need people asleep, during all the different shifts. Thus - the sleepless societies. Got to have them working 3rd shift, so they sleep during the morning, second shift, so they sleep a different time frame...etc.

~ Cirque

a reply to: Bybyots

The basic model I've been using for decades is this:

Some atemporal life form is uncomfortable with its environment and circumstances....so it sends tendrils down into tenporal life forms like us....to live through us...to learn and for reasons of escapism both.

Our nervous systems are this things closed circuit tv channels.

'psychic stuff' happens when it amuses the control loop entity (cle) to pass signals from one of its remote probes to another of its remote probes (us).

unfortunately this symbiotic relationship between the CLE and us has been corrupting and detrimental for all concerned.

I wonder if this happens to all sentient species. ...and this is the gating factor for the great silence....the fermi paradox.

Ive been dealing with this thing my entire life. ..probably due to my autism....

Just a theory....but I have several books worth of observations to back up this theory.

Now what fascinates me are the MIB/dwarves/the possibility of another biological species sharing this planet with us ---- I know zero about this....but it seems like there might be some thing there.

I dunno. I'd like to more formally test my basic ob servations and either prove something or debunk mysel

Kev

a reply to: Bybyots

It includes it peripherally without taking the magnitude of the phenomena into the equation. It's seems to me to presume everything is explainable within our organic husk. Which might be the case. Or not. Maybe we do "project" it all. But then, like I said, it leaves consciousness as "X". Consciousness is the ultimate mystery. Although, admittedly, brain mechanics are are a close second.

a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

Well it be interesting to see if there is any direct connection to Thalamo-Cortical and if true why so many are unable to sync themselves, whereas others find it to be more natural. How all this could relate to the way the music industry, in fact a staple to most audio, is played at 440hz instead of 432hz which is natures vibration.

Perhaps while we sleep our minds are in a rested nature(al) state and match our vibrations back with earth and each other. This allows more feasibility in connecting everyone together wirelessly. Than again, maybe my tin foil hat is simply on too tight.

a reply to: The GUT

The British did present the plasma hypothesis for the triangles. It was an interesting but very puzzling read. Also, I would presume that athmospheric plasmas would give off light in any conditions. There's a number of reports where the triangles fly with lights out.

I don't know what the triangles are. I'm perhaps partial to the ET hypothesis for various reasons but they could be a whole lot of things. Certainly they appear to have some living characteristics. Some have even said that they have felt some sort of a connection between these things and themselves as if they were communicating telepathicaly. And that the triangles have give off a sense of intentionality. One ATS member with a stunning encounter wrote that he felt as if there was some kind of a long-range brain scanner on the triangle capable of picking out sentient thoughts from great distances. I find it highly fascinating how some who have encountered them have described it almost as a spiritual encounter and have even gained health benefits from their encounters. I've only rarely read of people having any highly negative experiences with these triangles.

a reply to: The GUT

Consciousness is the ultimate mystery.

Well then maybe there should be an ultimate mystery thread. You need a working model and you aren't going to get one unless there is hardware and software.

Yoga is like that: as is typical in the west, yoga here has either become a sport or a full time hobby trying to use it to "look under the hood", so to speak, on the machine that makes us tick spiritually , or as conscious beings.

While in India the hood seldom if ever is popped, they just drive the machine.

Although, admittedly, brain mechanics are are a close second.

Not really. It's a work in progress that has to be kept up with by studying.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

There are techniques to bring the unconscious closer to the surface. Not 100% of parapsychology is nonsense.

KPB

The archetype of this black triangle illuminated at the corners is interesting because it was the basis for the High God for at least 8,000 years going into the bronze age, and nominally nothing has changed only the direct symbolism became less commonplace, a head of the bull such as El with some pedigree.

Comparing an image of a supposed black triangular UFO with the configuration of the head of Taurus gives your sub-conscious plenty to think about, you could be forgiven for feeling reverence and awe, after all 'behold your God'



Why such a configuration was chosen in the first place long ago might be interesting, but i've done a lot of digging on these early configurations and what you basically see represented below in Jemdet Nasr period is the High Boss in Taurus, Anu, and the underboss as the Pleiades, Inanna, and Orion as the consigliere to both, in Ninshubur



The celestial teachers to humanity by tradition came from the Pleiades, but of course that still related to the Big Boss and that illuminated triangle, so these archetypes are unlikely to be going away any time soon, indeed they're rather putting themselves about, but we needn't be spooked.



Oldest representation of Orion

Here is The Gut-Graph Control Sytem Playsheet V_0.1:



Please fell free to modify it as you please.

I'm going to get my crayons on.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

It's just what came to my mind, readying your links Rosinitiate and with Astr0's story on my mind.

I know my tinfoil hat is on to tight! But that better be in the screenplay! I'm telling ya.

Fun stuff.

~ Cirque

a reply to: Kantzveldt

That trinity archetype is awfully old.
The only older one which exists perhaps
is the sacred tree (Frazers Golden Bough anyone?)

I've studied 'beginnings lore' more than most..and
like your post.

But in my case at least, the black triangle I saw was 100% solid, real and manufactured looking....had a visible circular hand-rail around the central indentation in the center....visible 'welds'...a visible search light. .. enormous detail....

Yet the dilrods out-did themselves. ..I estimate 'it' was no less than 1000 feet away...there is no way I should have been able to see welds at that distance....it had to have been at least partly projected into my mind.

It did shape change right at the end before it flew to the horizon....into a pyramid shape.

So....I've never seen the 3 lights bounding empty space version. ...this one looked more like something from Star Trek. ..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Yes of course i'm not suggesting that if people see a large illuminated black triangle they might be mistakenly confusing the stars of Taurus but simply demonstrating the potential power of the archetype within the sub-conscious, for our ancestors over many millenia that was the High God, the awesome pro-creative force of the Universe.

Whether they chose that particular configuration because it corresponded to actual black triangles they'd seen flying around the place i couldn't say...

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Yup.

Us 'moderns' keep assuming we know what was in the mind of the 'ancients'; and as a result we have the 'ancient aliens' meme....and if not, anthropologists label nearly everything 'ritual purposes'.

We actually don't know what they were thinking or intending in most cases - unfortunately.

Kev

a reply to: The GUT

I'll ask... but one individual I approached, already, about the PM visualization episode ... who also (thinks he) remembers being awake in his bedroom with guys in clean-suits who said "hi" before being "put back to sleep" has said he's so confused and being bothered by so many curious folks, that he needs time to re-organize and get his thoughts down... in other words, he's "freaking out" and overwhelmed.

He sure as heck seems level headed and just some guy, though.

ETA and I'll ask about when the RK theme came up. My impression was a month and a smidge ago... but I'm finding those 30 or so folks who were PMing him might go back much further than that time frame.

And since I'm playing with my fruit loops anyway, I'll relate that after that "blow out" of Astr0's I awoke the next morning with a dialogue fading in a dream and a stark certainty that the story was legit. As I woke up I laughed at myself and ascribed it to wild imagination and being smart, bored and fantasy prone... but I'll admit I'd never had that sensation before.

There is something here... whether it be truth or demons from the aether toying with us, I dunno... but there is some thing here.