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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
Nature knows nothing about 'good' or 'evil'..
those are purely human invented concepts. If I hit you in the nose, you might call me 'evil'. If I buy you
lunch, you might call me 'good'. That's as far as it goes.
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: tetra50
Fully informed consent is VERY RARE on this planet.. 'provisional consent'
based upon wishful thinking is the way it goes on this planet.. we are
swindled to give our mostly uneducated consent all day, every day...
politics, religion, spirituality, commerce, relationships.. it's endless..
originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: lostgirl
LostG... I like it. I love reducing complexities to easier to handle chunks when at all possible.
KPB... It seems to me evil and good, can be seen at the source (past feeding own ego to nurturing others at the sometimes expense of one's own, etc.) as a "to be... or not to be..." concept.
Either we embrace/rejoice in being aware at all... and existing in any number of ways and places... or we recoil from being aware and the sometimes resultant deep pains of awareness.
Anyway, that's my take ... today at this moment... someone will say something soon to modify that thought... boy I love awareness and recommend it for others... I am sure good!
And GUT re: KPB... just intellectually sleep with the man and cut this darned tension! Get a room you two!
You guys are swell...
originally posted by: 1ofthe9
The GUT: I have a TDCS unit. Haven't tried to fire the liminal areas of the brain yet.
we tend to dislike most in others, what we dislike most about ourselves
originally posted by: john666
Interesting thread.
I see that the question that the question on non-existence of good and evil has come up.
And I myself have a question for those who don't believe in existence of either good or evil;
You do realize, that if evil doesn't exist, then the raping of a child is neither evil nor even bad(because the concept of "bad" is derivative of the concept of "evil")?
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
originally posted by: john666
Interesting thread.
I see that the question that the question on non-existence of good and evil has come up.
And I myself have a question for those who don't believe in existence of either good or evil;
You do realize, that if evil doesn't exist, then the raping of a child is neither evil nor even bad(because the concept of "bad" is derivative of the concept of "evil")?
I don't believe in 'cosmic good and evil'. I certainly believe in 'relative' apparent good and evil.
For example; we all see no doubt, that child rape is totally and completely abhorrent or
'evil' if you must. But let's say that there was a species out there somewhere to whom we
weren't event ants. To THEM 'child rape' wouldn't even exist.. it would be the pointless
activity of ants.
Humans try to imprint their values on the laws of physics... and in fact
that's why we have the Control Loop Entity in it's current state ---- look
how well that has turned out!
Kev
originally posted by: john666
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
originally posted by: john666
Interesting thread.
I see that the question that the question on non-existence of good and evil has come up.
And I myself have a question for those who don't believe in existence of either good or evil;
You do realize, that if evil doesn't exist, then the raping of a child is neither evil nor even bad(because the concept of "bad" is derivative of the concept of "evil")?
I don't believe in 'cosmic good and evil'. I certainly believe in 'relative' apparent good and evil.
For example; we all see no doubt, that child rape is totally and completely abhorrent or
'evil' if you must. But let's say that there was a species out there somewhere to whom we
weren't event ants. To THEM 'child rape' wouldn't even exist.. it would be the pointless
activity of ants.
Humans try to imprint their values on the laws of physics... and in fact
that's why we have the Control Loop Entity in it's current state ---- look
how well that has turned out!
Kev
You mentioned the analogy of the superior race, and how this superior race may not even view us as ants, and how accordingly, they may not view human child rape as an issue at all.
The idea probably came to you mind, because of the way we treat animals.
That is, the way we slaughter animals, without conscience.
But slaughtering animals may be evil, and humanity is maybe paying a horrible price for that act.
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
originally posted by: john666
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
originally posted by: john666
Interesting thread.
I see that the question that the question on non-existence of good and evil has come up.
And I myself have a question for those who don't believe in existence of either good or evil;
You do realize, that if evil doesn't exist, then the raping of a child is neither evil nor even bad(because the concept of "bad" is derivative of the concept of "evil")?
I don't believe in 'cosmic good and evil'. I certainly believe in 'relative' apparent good and evil.
For example; we all see no doubt, that child rape is totally and completely abhorrent or
'evil' if you must. But let's say that there was a species out there somewhere to whom we
weren't event ants. To THEM 'child rape' wouldn't even exist.. it would be the pointless
activity of ants.
Humans try to imprint their values on the laws of physics... and in fact
that's why we have the Control Loop Entity in it's current state ---- look
how well that has turned out!
Kev
You mentioned the analogy of the superior race, and how this superior race may not even view us as ants, and how accordingly, they may not view human child rape as an issue at all.
The idea probably came to you mind, because of the way we treat animals.
That is, the way we slaughter animals, without conscience.
But slaughtering animals may be evil, and humanity is maybe paying a horrible price for that act.
As to your final statement ... I can't disagree that you may have a point there.
As to the gist of the tussle over 'good and evil' -- humans are currently too primitive
in my view, to get such 'cosmic' matters right at this time... if it even makes sense
to attempt to do so...
Nature is definitely red in tooth and claw.. etc. And while we humans think we are 'special'
we are in fact ... quite probably not.
Kev