Phil Schneider

Originally posted by Indigo_Child


Are you just plain ignorant, as you've ignored everything I just said to you. As I just explained to you, if he's an ex-nazi, and was an operative in a top secret project, then it is quite possible, that there would be no record of him.

There would be a record of him as a Nazi Uboat captain as he was supposedly doing this BEFORE he was involved in anything top secret. ALL captains of Nazi Uboats are well documented, it's not that difficult to find the data.

I can understand that you WANT to believe in all this rubbish, just like I WANT to believe that Cameron Diaz fancies me. The trouble is once you start to scratch below the surface of the majority of these things it doesn't take you very long to find descrepencies in the data. The first "fact" that I checked up on turned up a lie, his father did not exist.

There would be a record of him as a Nazi Uboat captain as he was supposedly doing this BEFORE he was involved in anything top secret. ALL captains of Nazi Uboats are well documented, it's not that difficult to find the data.

Well, put your money where your mouth is, and produce me an entire list of every nazi u-boat captain from BEFORE the war.

I can understand that you WANT to believe in all this rubbish, just like I WANT to believe that Cameron Diaz fancies me. The trouble is once you start to scratch below the surface of the majority of these things it doesn't take you very long to find descrepencies in the data. The first "fact" that I checked up on turned up a lie, his father did not exist.

It's doubtful that you even know Cameron Diaz personally, as that could explain why she doesn't fancy you, either that, or your personality. Again, what you are presenting as a fact, is basically "some site says so" already been through it twice, no need for thrice.

Further, it does not benefit my personally by believing in Phil. I do not get no profits, and I don't go for "dead men" or any men actually

Have you noted the official site slogan before you registered?

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I think the tone of this thread should be taken down a notch or two. Just the facts please. No need to coat it in nastiness.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

There would be a record of him as a Nazi Uboat captain as he was supposedly doing this BEFORE he was involved in anything top secret. ALL captains of Nazi Uboats are well documented, it's not that difficult to find the data.

Well, put your money where your mouth is, and produce me an entire list of every nazi u-boat captain from BEFORE the war.


[edit on 21-11-2004 by Indigo_Child]

I am finding your arguments quite bizarre, it does seem that you are intent on defeating yourself in this debate without any outside interference. Why are we talking about U-boat captains "before" the war when Schneider's father was allegedly a captain DURING the war.

I am finding your arguments quite bizarre, it does seem that you are intent on defeating yourself in this debate without any outside interference. Why are we talking about U-boat captains "before" the war when Schneider's father was allegedly a captain DURING the war.

Did he exist before the war? If he existed during the war, then i am guessing he would have existed before it. In which case, you should find a record of U boat captains before the war, or people who later went onto captain U boats. You claim this information would be easy to obtain, so now I am asking you to substantiate it for me. Is it still bizarre?

I think this whole topic is rubbish. To think that spending to the extent of 25% of the US GNP could be hidden in a group of top secret projects is laughable, if you understand anything about the economy. Anybody can make this kind of stuff up to get attention. Nor do I believe the U-boat captain story. Captured military personnel are interned in camps, not given jobs on your own team, no matter how talented they may be.

Originally posted by AlexofSkye
I think this whole topic is rubbish. To think that spending to the extent of 25% of the US GNP could be hidden in a group of top secret projects is laughable, if you understand anything about the economy.

I do understand this about US economy, that it's $8.2 trillion dollars in debt. I also understand a lot of the GNP is used to fund wars and weapons programmes.

Captured military personnel are interned in camps, not given jobs on your own team, no matter how talented they may be.

And you know this how? From what I know, criminals are regularly drated into US military, so why not a talented and skilled foreign member?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

Did he exist before the war? If he existed during the war, then i am guessing he would have existed before it. In which case, you should find a record of U boat captains before the war, or people who later went onto captain U boats. You claim this information would be easy to obtain, so now I am asking you to substantiate it for me. Is it still bizarre?

Are you having a laugh here? The fact is he was claimed to be a U-Boat captain during WW2. However he is almost certainly proven to have NOT been a u-boat captain during WW2 as he doesn't appear in the list of u-boat captains as appears here
This is the point I am debating about. not whether he was a u-boat captain BEFORE the war, subsequent to the war or indeed to this very day.

I have just finished reading through this apparent "lecture" by this certain Phil Schneider (who I have yet to see any evidence to his actual existence,) and when you have managed to come up with a genuine reason as to why the guy who had an underground battle with aliens seems to have a father who has mysteriously disappeared off a widely recognised and acclaimed list of U-boat captains, then we can move on to the next stupid claim that he made.

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Indigo, I thought the US didn't have a draft? But never mind that, I suppose the US army might welcome petty crooks into its ranks at a time when they are short-handed. Not for me to question your country's recruiting practices... but at least they're your petty crooks, and not someone else's.

How do I "know" a captured officer wouldn't just be offered an exchange uniforms? Are there any records of Allied captured officers switching to the German or Japanese side? Any records of the reverse? Sorry, I don't have time to do the research, but can you imagine this happening? It just doesn't make any sense. Above all, your own team must be known to be loyal, and you couldn't assure that with a capture. And there's no need to take the risk.

Not clear what your point was on the economics. Read the Wall Street Journal for a few days, think of all the economic activity you're reading about, and then consider diverting 25% of it to some secret activity. It's just not a credible idea.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Are you having a laugh here? The fact is he was claimed to be a U-Boat captain during WW2. However he is almost certainly proven to have NOT been a u-boat captain during WW2 as he doesn't appear in the list of u-boat captains as appears here
This is the point I am debating about. not whether he was a u-boat captain BEFORE the war, subsequent to the war or indeed to this very day.

The reason I asked you for BEFORE the war, because I knew you already had a link to this web site listing the commanders. What I was showing you, that you are reliant on a single source, for a more than 60 year old event, and from another country. Simply, because this person's name is not on the list, does not mean he does not exist. In the same way, if my name was omitted from history, it does not mean I do not exist. It's a fragile argument you are pushing, and it's already shattered.

I have just finished reading through this apparent "lecture" by this certain Phil Schneider (who I have yet to see any evidence to his actual existence,) and when you have managed to come up with a genuine reason as to why the guy who had an underground battle with aliens seems to have a father who has mysteriously disappeared off a widely recognised and acclaimed list of U-boat captains, then we can move on to the next stupid claim that he made.

What doesn't make sense to me, why would Phil lie about his fathers existence. He could quite easily have said what he wanted to, without saying his fathers name. It's really a moot point. History is not something I, or you, can verify - it's written by those who interpret it. What we can verify is evidence. Do you have evidence for the non-existence of someone? So please, feel free to move onto the next "stupid" claim.

[edit on 21-11-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by Indigo_Child


The reason I asked you for BEFORE the war, because I knew you already had a link to this web site listing the commanders. What I was showing you, that you are reliant on a single source, for a more than 60 year old event, and from another country. Simply, because this person's name is not on the list, does not mean he does not exist.

You really are stupid aren't you? Sorry, but that's a fact, not an insult. You criticise me for basing my evidence on a single source i.e. the the most comprehensive and historically correct u-boat site on the net who's records are straight from the German Navy. Yet you base your argument on a handful of websites all carrying the same cut and pasted rubbish spouted by some quack who I have yet to be shown evidence that even existed. Where did I say that he served as a U-boat captain BEFORE the war? I am not as historically astute as some, but I venture a guess that there wasn't as much call for U-boat captains before the war as there was during the war, so he may not have been one. not entirely hard to believe is it?

Originally posted by AlexofSkye
Indigo, I thought the US didn't have a draft? But never mind that, I suppose the US army might welcome petty crooks into its ranks at a time when they are short-handed. Not for me to question your country's recruiting practices... but at least they're your petty crooks, and not someone else's.

I am not from US, but you're from Canada, and have you heard of the recent plans to turn North America into one state? In all likiness, they are going to be your petty crooks too.

How do I "know" a captured officer wouldn't just be offered an exchange uniforms? Are there any records of Allied captured officers switching to the German or Japanese side? Any records of the reverse? Sorry, I don't have time to do the research, but can you imagine this happening? It just doesn't make any sense. Above all, your own team must be known to be loyal, and you couldn't assure that with a capture. And there's no need to take the risk.

What do you think happened to a lot of ex-nazi scientists? There is good reason to believe that they were taken in the US. In fact, it is now a proven fact, that the US was involved with the Nazi's. A scientist, or a soldiers loyalty, is to it's leaders. The leaders just changed.

Not clear what your point was on the economics. Read the Wall Street Journal for a few days, think of all the economic activity you're reading about, and then consider diverting 25% of it to some secret activity. It's just not a credible idea.

I know this much, US has a very extensive black-ops programme, which is comprised of dozens, if not hundreds, of seperate advanced projects. It require huge teams of scientists, manpower and resources, and it needs to house them somewhere, perhaps an underground city, out of fear of leaking out information. This needs capital! So it does not surprise me in the absolute least, that US is so amazingly in debt.

I am fairly convinced a lot of the economy and taxpayers money is being used to fund US's black operations, including it's wars. Well, I know, I am dead-right with the wars. $8.2 trillion debt did not just appear overnight.
In fact one web site that presents extensive economical data, that I cannot validate, the total US debt is put at $30 trillion.

Nor would I trust wall street journals. As much as I wouldn't trust CNN. Not because I am incredulous, simply because of their past records, their propaganda and their government origins.

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There would be a record of him as a Nazi Uboat captain as he was supposedly doing this BEFORE he was involved in anything top secret. ALL captains of Nazi Uboats are well documented, it's not that difficult to find the data.

Thats a good logical guess but you have to understand that once germany was invaded, all their records were at the disposal to U.S. Officials. So if they wanted to cover something up then by all means its a done deal!!!! Regardless of the complete list you posted, I'm sure if they deleted one entry, it wouldnt hurt. In that case, you wouldnt find his name in that directory.

If you want to debunk him, try doing more then that. I understand Phil was murdered by a military style killing. Try and debunk that, along with the many other claims he's made.

I can understand that you WANT to believe in all this rubbish

No one expects you to believe. But dont be ignorant the day you do find out the truth. Here is a website for you www.disclosureproject.org.






[edit on 21-11-2004 by crijack]

Originally posted by crijack

Thats a good logical guess but you have to understand that once germany was invaded, all their records were at the disposal to U.S. Officials. So if they wanted to cover something up then by all means its a done deal!!!! Regardless of the complete list you posted, I'm sure if they deleted one entry, it wouldnt hurt. In that case, you wouldnt find his name in that directory.

This gets even funnier. We have merely scratched the surface of a totally ludicrous document and already we have people jumping to its defence, when in the first place there was zero evidence to prove its truth anyway! So just for the laugh I will play along with you. Let's imagine that some time after the the war the US decided to hide the fact that a certain "Otto Oscar Schneider" was indeed a German that after the war decided to help them out with certain projects. Firstly, I would have guessed that his name might have just given him away anyway, and secondly if you are to delete this alleged U-boat captain from the list of German U-boat captains then you would also have to delete his U-boat, else be left with a U-boat without a captain. So are you suggesting that there was some phantom U-boat (and crew,) that have been deleted from naval history without some war buff asknig the question "hey, whatever happened to U-202" or whatever.

Let's imagine that some time after the the war the US decided to hide the fact that a certain "Otto Oscar Schneider" was indeed a German that after the war decided to help them out with certain projects.

Wrong. You say after the war, but did you go back and read it correctly? Here is the quote: "He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment."

Why do you say he was involved some time after the war, when the philadelphia experiment theoretically began in 1943?

And what about the atom bomb? Of coarse, they needed that to win the war. Gee you cant forgot that. So that had to occur during the war. So if he was captured and repatriated, and working on a secret project then that would obviously give the government insentive to cover up his records once germany surrendered.

Now if you wanted to really debunk this entire story, then why not prove that Phil is still alive??? Or died of natural causes rather than being murdered by military style execution.

secondly if you are to delete this alleged U-boat captain from the list of German U-boat captains then you would also have to delete his U-boat, else be left with a U-boat without a captain. So are you suggesting that there was some phantom U-boat (and crew,) that have been deleted from naval history without some war buff asknig the question "hey, whatever happened to U-202" or whatever.

Well its not that hard to delete a U-Boat. Just delete the records and the crew. If you look at all the many captains they have listed, and their U-boats, there are too many to keep track of. Go and add up all the captains which comes out to 1411. Now obviously we know there were more U-boats then captains becuase they have multiple captains controlling U boats. For example, they had a captain controlling U-boat 2323. And I'm not even sure if numbers are assigned as U-boats are created. But its not that hard to scratch out a U-boat and put it under someone else's command(thus eliminating phantom controversy) or delete it completely. And if the U-boat was unpopular(becuase there were so many), then it would be hard for it to become a phantom. These are only possible suggestions of a cover up, which is not that hard to do, once you control that country.

So its like I said before, if you really want to blow this lid off, prove that Phil is still alive or died of natural causes.


[edit on 21-11-2004 by crijack]

This gets even funnier. We have merely scratched the surface of a totally ludicrous document and already we have people jumping to its defence, when in the first place there was zero evidence to prove its truth anyway!

Hes provided multiple pictures and shown advanced complex metal material at his seminars that are not possible to find here on earth and hard to munipulate to create in the first place.

But putting the schnieder case aside, I want to know your stance. Not to bash you, but are you one of those ignorant folks that believes there is no such thing as life outside of earth? I saw your post on another thread titled "its not our fault." You say there is nothing to disclose. How do you account for expert analysis of flying saucers moving at rapid rate?

Many experts say the videos are legit. What about the invisible saucers that popped up on mexican radar in 2004, which is why the mexican government started recording with their camera's. No it wasnt a camera glitch, becuase it wouldnt have poped up on radar in the first place.

And what about the disclosure project? Visit these links!!!!!!

www.disclosureproject.org
www.x-conference.com
www.x-ppac.org

I just noticed that Daydream69er has NEGATIVE 250 ATS pts and is denying ignorance. Good start...



Now, I saw a few caps from the video @ a website, but I was wondering if anyone has the video? I am not in position to buy it for the time being and cannot seem to find it on the net. If anyone has the video or some of the images Schneider refers to, please send me a U2U.

quote: Captured military personnel are interned in camps, not given jobs on your own team, no matter how talented they may be.

www.conspiracyarchive.com...

Missed this one did you?

I just noticed that Daydream69er has NEGATIVE 250 ATS pts and is denying ignorance. Good start...

Good point

Looks like I am about +250 points at the time of this posting heh.

[edit on 22-11-2004 by crijack]

Right guys no one cares the points of this is to find of whether he did exist and if he did who were the other people at that confence in Denver, CO Aug, 1995, if we can find out what the place was called we get in touch an ask politely if they have any records from this confrence such as names of people whom went etc , ALso depending on how intelligent and usefull the Nazis were depended on whether they kept records if a guy was as intelligent as Phil's dad was working for you and risked being captured you estroy all records he ever had so if the enemy did find him they wouldnt know who he was and couldnt use him although he went to the americans at his own free will do you get my point. WE NEED TO find people that were at his confrence in 1995


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Holy # his wife replied, i emailed his wife and he replied she is gonna send me some pics soon
Look at this link first its full of pics on Phils wedding day etc check it out
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