440hz Music - Conspiracy To Detune Us From Natural 432Hz Harmonics?

reply to post by C21H30O2I


interesting!
i will just reply to this, so i can share this article with friends.

thanks brother!

peace

peter vlar
reply to post by seabhac-rua

 

A @440 is standard only in the US and UK. The rest of Europr uses 442
If I remember correctly and other places use a similar variation.

Something tells me Peter that this piece of information you have provided will be conveniently ignored by those who view their world through the myopic, conspiracy tinted, lens of new age hogwash.

reply to post by peter vlar


If it is not discernible to humans, then why use a different set at all??

This music for the animals, perhaps ??


The aliens ?

Oh, it sounds different alright, I can hear it, and I have noticed the recent basic banning of metal music off of all radio, and consciousness is because those new bands are using tones and lyrics that perhaps ARE closer to the rejuvenating force they could be.

Such attack on this music and promotion of garbage is telling, but of course not to certain types, who NEED these negative vibrations.

reply to post by seabhac-rua


LOL the new age hogwash controls your whole life, you just think you are a part of it so it is ok.

Old age new age, gotcha and the rage I see growing in the deniers shows we are about to crack it WIDE OPEN.

Bedlam

peter vlar

Not only is 432 hz a lower frequency than 440 hz, the only note that resonates that frequency is A below middle C so every other note on whichever instrument you are playing will resonate differently...

Yeah, it's like people think if you tune to a scale where A is 440Hz, every note you play is 440Hz.

That's the thing. The only difference between the two clips in the video is... a key change. Not tuning.

reply to post by Bedlam


I'd say that the frequencies that create the universe and hold it together are pretty spectacular, you know? The flower of life and all, the symbol which represents unconditional love, just to mention the most obvious. Not sacred ye say?

reply to post by ParasuvO


Reread what I wrote. The minuscule difference of 2 hz is not discernible to human ears. Not the difference between 440 and 432 which is just under 2 semitones difference which is very clearly audible to the majority of human ears. I don't want to make an asinine argument from authority but I've been paying music for almost 30 years and own an analogue recording studio using 2" Otari tape machines for recording and a 1/4" tape machine for mastering, not digital recording with a computer. I have to use my ear and know the subtle differences because I can't just use protools to fix it all in the mix. Ad I'm sorry, but NOBODY can hear the difference between an A in 440 and B in 432 because mathematically it is the exact same note and vibrates at the exact same frequency. And at the end of it all the entire premise is irrelevant because tere was little to no standardization in tuning UNTIL the 1940's and the only countries that use 440 as their standard are the US and UK. The rest of Europe tunes to 442. Bach tuned even higher than 440 tuning several organs to 480 and many classical compositions were written as low as 330 hz. If musical turnings were standardized prior to the 1940's then I'd say you had an argument but that just isn't the case. Could y provide a citation or anything to support your statement regarding metal being banned from the airwaves please because it just isn't the case where I live which precludes its banishment for "all radio".

OmegaSynthesis
reply to post by Bedlam

 

I'd say that the frequencies that create the universe and hold it together are pretty spectacular, you know? The flower of life and all, the symbol which represents unconditional love, just to mention the most obvious. Not sacred ye say?

What frequencies create the universe and hold it together? What would those be? Frequencies of what, exactly? You understand "frequency" is an attribute, right? It's not a tangible? It's like saying "It's the blue that create the universe".

Flowers are alive. There is no "flower of life". The Flour of Biscuits is White Lily, though. Symbols are nothing but placeholders for other concepts. And no, there are no sacred frequencies.

reply to post by kykweer


I just did a little bit of surfing on the net. Classical music does increase your IQ in just 10 minutes.

But as dumb as your comment was, I'm thinking you don't listen to it at all.

Go ahead and disprove it. It's called the MOZART EFFECT.


Are YOU that gullible to think otherwise. Check you hearing, so your saying you didn't hear the difference?

Sad, I'll send positive thoughts your way, but I have a feeling that's BS to you as well.

I feel sorry for you.

The last 3 times I took a IQ test was over 130, What's yours?

I'm a musician, guitarist and composer.

I have a fairly elaborate guitar based system that allows elaborate polyphonic pitch transposition of guitar strings and when this thing came up on the web last summer I had to try an experiment.

I did a track with the same guitar system at "A=431" and another at "A=440" (since one of the sites I found said A=431 was supposedly the ideal pitch reference) and used a digital audio looper to create a suitably relaxing atmosphere.

All you're hearing is processed electric guitar thru an audio looper. There are two short improvisations as linked below.

See what you think:
madsound.dyndns.org...

Now check out the A=440:
madsound.dyndns.org...

Well?

reply to post by C21H30O2I

Absolutely hogwash.

In my opinion I have heard every tone of music there is in my 66 years.

I am one of the experts on the subject of the sounds of music, the earth and ocean sounds and life in general.

For the past 62 years I have studied music.
Piano and clarinet are my favorite instruments to play.
The oboe was also a fun but demanding instrument. Only studied that one because I was looking for a free ride in college.

Yes, people can be led and somewhat controlled by and with music.

This is a known fact and is not new.

Notice the music in grocery stores and other businesses. It has a purpose.

All this talk about what is really a way of life now and always has been is so elementary.

reply to post by ParasuvO


Enjoy your delusion.

The only thing you're going to "crack wide open" is your ego.

reply to post by Bedlam


I mean the vibrations that hold life together, the foundations of which are infinite Fibonacci fractal components of the universe, its a mathematical perfection that is also musical; matter is but frozen music.
Everything is sacred.

OmegaSynthesis
reply to post by Bedlam

 

I mean the vibrations that hold life together, the foundations of which are infinite Fibonacci fractal components of the universe, its a mathematical perfection that is also musical; matter is but frozen music.
Everything is sacred.

What vibrations hold life together? Do similar vibrations hold non-life together? How did you measure them? What's vibrating? How do you know their foundations are infinite Fibonacci sequences, and what do you mean by that?

Matter doesn't seem to be frozen music by any stretch of the imagination. It sounds poetic, but it doesn't seem to match anything I know to be true.

Everything is interesting, but things are only sacred to the religious, and even then, only the things that match up to their beliefs. IMHO.

Well, all conspiracy angles aside when it comes to the first video posted in the OP.. The video doesn't say what freq the first piece is until about 15 seconds in, but I will say that I immediately felt "at ease" when the first one started and I actually thought to myself "this better not be 440 or this is all BS". The second one did have a sense of un-easyness, but I suppose since I *knew* which one it was, that could have played a factor.

Being very in touch with music myself my entire life, I do find this topic interesting although it's clear others think it's total crap. In some cases, it's even caused a real sense of passionate anger over the whole thing by some posters. (which is interesting all in itself) I won't be subscribing to the whole "new agey" thing anytime soon, but I think it's important to keep an open mind. As I progress with both my physical and spiritual journey on Earth, I have come to realize that even things that are the most "out there" tend to have a nugget of truth in them. Thanks for the thread!

reply to post by Wookiep


Not sure how the posters of music supposedly tuned one way or the other actually know what the base A of the piece is.

We generally took the lead flute's generally-in-tune middle C when I was playing lab band, and we all tuned to it, but who knows what it was actually at? Other than that, we used whatever instrument couldn't be tuned as the reference, like the stage piano or the Farfisa the keyboard guy used, and went with it, since you couldn't fix it on the fly.

It would be interesting to have some music you could prove was set up one way or another and do a blinded test here.

reply to post by Bedlam

It would be interesting to have some music you could prove was set up one way or another and do a blinded test here.

Indeed, I would be interested in participating in that. I'm curious what the results would be.

Hi, all. Sorry, didn't read every post so I hope I'm no repeating but I did find this thread interesting from the beginning. I'm a musician and I love discussing this stuff.

I loaded up a free audio editing program called Audacity and started producing tones at various frequencies. Anyone involved in this conversation I'd like to recommend doing this as well. You simply goto the menu and select Generate Tone. From there you can pick the hz of the tone you want to produce. I compared the two freq. in question and yes, there is a slight difference, but not much. I even retuned my guitar to 432 and compared it to my girlfriends uke tuned at 440. Not a lot of difference, but the fun part is playing w/ the tones in Audacity.

I suggest using headphones for this experiment because it makes it easier to detect differences. Create three tracks. Create one tone balanced to the left at 432, another balanced center at 433, and a third balanced right at 434. It creates an interesting panning effect showing that even a slight adjustment in hz does have a physical effect.

I'm just starting to play with this experiment, coupling it w/ what i've read about binaural tones. Fun stuff. This seems to be a music lover's thread so I hope some of you have the time to do this and get some feedback on how these tiny alterations can have an effect.

I hope this helps steer the conversation into a scientific debate although I also enjoy metaphysical/"new age" elements as well. I'll try to make some mixes of my experiments for those who feel overwhelmed with audio software.

well i've read the whole five pages. all i can say is, whether it's at 432hz or 440hz'.

I like to Rock

here just a couple of samples







and of course i can't forget where i got my sig from. the best damn album ever made.

What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

See how it sings like a sad heart
And joyously screams out its pain
Sounds that build high like a mountain
Or notes that fall gently like rain

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


You bring up a great point. I wanna rock! These various tones affect all of us in different ways. Whether we call 432hz A or 432hz G it really doesn't matter. These waves of energy interact w/ our bodies in ways only we will understand. I think it's more important to recognize that the patterns of energy are the important factor. I have a friend who loves "pop" music, i.e. Keisha, Katty Perry, and Lady Gaga, etc. At the same time I enjoy Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, and Blue Rodeo. Maybe it comes down to Individual Resonance. My main problem w/ the music industry is that the airwaves have been ruled by a sector of the economy who believes it's more important to sell commercials rather than expose the population to new and innovative thoughts.