Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast as result of Fukushima nucle

reply to post by dlbott


She is absolutely a complete liar. There is NO question about it.

It is completely okay to call someone out for the liar they are, especially when they are attempting to con people into being unreasonably fearful.

This woman has likely caused psychosis within thousands of individuals through her lies.

There is nothing childish about my calling her a liar. I am being a responsible adult here.

reply to post by webedoomed

As is, it's a complete non-issue for anyone outside the region. Might it become a slight issue if things escalate? Sure. Might I become concerned in a worst case scenario? Certainly. None of that means I'm going to latch onto doomporn ELE nonsense.

I'm just frustrated with the group psychosis surrounding FuKu. People need to slow their roll, here.

We're all frustrated. I'm so frustrated I might make a sign. Except my side is frustrated with your side because there's a thing called "Better safe than sorry". You might be right, this might be all doom porn, but there's a high chance the information you were fed has been watered down to make it easier to swallow.
There is no place for complacency when it comes to this.
1 bq is too many.

reply to post by FlySolo


The precautionary principal. I get you, bro.

Also, I fully understand the need, and frustration with this need, for various agencies to fudge the numbers.

What I tried to do was integrate as many sources of information as possible, and come up with a rough assessment of the likelyhood of various scenarios unfolding.

Again, ask muzzle. He'll tell you that from one source of data to the next, there's much variance, even when dealing with supposed "authorities" and "experts".

That's why I can't give you any exact details, first off because my research was done a while back, and I didn't write it all out, but secondly because it doesn't really exist.

When it comes down to it, even the highest reasonable estimates for various isotopes on site doesn't come close in comparison to the bombs we've dropped during testing over the decades.

Are we stil around? Yes; therefore, it's unreasonable to assume that FuKu could potentially be an ELE. It's simply not capable of happening.


Let me put it another way. If the precautionary principal is trumped by unreasonable fear, it causes more harm than good.

As in, what good does it do for the average human being on this planet to be aware of a potential ELE, when they can do absolutely nothing about it? Do you think the government wants to kill you, just cause? Nope. They stockpile for a variety of situations. IF the radiation was something to truly fret about, they'd implement emergency policies. Perhaps martial law. Giving out pot-iod (which doesn't seem to do much good, anyways).

What exactly does making a bunch of fearful people do? It keeps them preoccupied with doomporn. It sells to gullible people. There are MANY people out there capitalizing on your fear. You don't think the government is doing what it can about this? Seriously? There is always incompetence. There is always neglect... and what? What does informing millions of people about a potential disastrous situation do?

So look at it like this... does no good to be aware, in fear, and not be able to do anything about it. Does good to lie to people, keep them calm, and try to damage control. Exactly what's going on! An unintended consequence of fudging the numbers, is certain psychological profiles going off the rails with their fear. Like you're doing. Oh, it's bad, and we don't know everything... assume the worst! Then you have PSYCHOS and conartists capitalize on these eccentrics fears. They just want to inflict pain, else gain monies.

You're buying into it! Yea, nobody outside of the "know" has a grasp on this. Not even experts seem privy to the real hard numbers. Perhaps but a select bunch of scientists, and researchers, military personnel, intelligence agents, and government officials have the necessary clearance to know what's really going on. All of that being said, even the most reasonable yet very high numbers, put this event on the order of millions dying out over an extended period of time. Not 7.1 billion.

That's already scary enough to keep it from the public. So they do.

Most likely, if things were to get out of control again at Fukushima, they would again, do what they did earlier, and more dump boron carbide into the areas needed to slow down the fission process.

Worse case scenario, they do what was done at Chernobyl, and dump boron carbide, limestone, lead, sand and clay. The problem is that this put a great deal of lead vapor into the atmosphere, which poisoned a lot of people with lead poisoning. This is what stopped Chernobyl from becoming a potential ELE.

Watching all of this fester, makes me think they really don't know what to do. There are a great many pieces missing from the puzzle.

teslahowitzer
At the risk of sounding like a complete jerk (and I do not care), you are systematically being lied to ..again. Just the pacific has this in mass, reason? volcanic, very small part of anything. Our governments are covering up this firm disaster and will continue to do so until it is right in your face and clear to even the obammy voters. At this point you will realize that we are living the downside of nuclear energy. These fine leaders are covering up a lot of data, and you must be a fool not to see past the smoke and mirrors of our wonderful government. If the REAL truth was released, you would see a massive exodus from the pacific coastline that would speed up the upcoming economic "reset" and cause a shockwave of human decline, they know this, deny all you want, but it will not change the reality of 3 uncontrolled cores, SFP on the brink of hydrogen and thermal abyss, and the Millions and millions and millions of tons of contaminated cooling water spilled into the pacific ocean. This will take eons to reverse as damage is starting to reveal itself in many ways but this is early in this uncontrolled game. dissapation and particlization eventually lead to saturation if you have no valve to close. As this unfolds watch the superior intellect continue to move the goalpost back and back and back saying all is ok.....wait, sound like deja vu??? And for the upcoming replies telling me to "prove" my theory...open you eyes...how many clues do you need???

I just looked at several areas in the US i dont know if you guys are aware of this but the EPA has monitoring stations set up all over the United States. You can see the live data as it comes in so relax we dont need to evacuate the pacific coast. It amazes me how far people go to scare others. Here arm your self with facts take a look here you can even check your local neighborhood if you like.Oh and one more thing if your worried about radiation dosages you received go to a healthfood store buy some prussian blue. It can remove radioactive isotopes from your system within 30 days.It encapsulates heavy metals and removes them from your system.



www.epa.gov...

Cobaltic1978
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

If it isn't Fukishima that's causing it, then what else could it be I wonder?

My money would be on Fukishima, but the Governments of the world cannot admit this, otherwise it would be exposing the cover up that has been going on from the outset.

None of us can say 100% that it IS Fukishima causing it, but your second sentence probably explains the real story to within about 99.9% accuracy !
No different with 9/11 in my opinion. They have gone ALL IN with their version of the official story [which is usually just a story created by officials to suit official string pullers agenda's], and there is NO backing down now. If they back down and admit that the problem was much worse the official story suggests, then all of a sudden they lose credibility which might then lead people to start looking into other official stories that they may of questioned in the past but never looked any further. But how do we expose people that don't have to face a courtroom. That don't have to answer questions that they don't want to. That face no punishment other than public scrutiny, which then tapers off once the new football season starts, or when Miley Cyrus has done something "naughty" again.
If they can pull off 9/11 without punishment over 10 years later, then lying about the state of a reactor in another country, and it's fall-out, is nothing but child's play to them. Nope, no problem here...............now what's Miley up to now ? Oh look, a shiny thing

Oddly, there seems to be a lot more interest in this subject once it's been revealed that the fall-out my be reaching US shores. Was that same level of interest in a cover-up there when it was only the Japanese being affected by the fall-out. Just a thought ?

AutumnWitch657
The amount of radiation from fukishima into the Pacific is the same as an eye dropper full into a five gallon bucket. The ocean can assimilate this amount easily and there won't be any long term effects. Alarmist editorials be damned.

Feel free to back that up with science and facts anytime now and we can take your word for it. As of now you just sound like the usual denier. "100 cars do not cause pollution and do not effect anything. 10000 cars do not cause pollution and do not effect anything. 1000000 cars do not cause pollution and do not effect anything." Yeah how long is that supposed to be true?

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AutumnWitch657
The amount of radiation from fukishima into the Pacific is the same as an eye dropper full into a five gallon bucket. The ocean can assimilate this amount easily and there won't be any long term effects. Alarmist editorials be damned.

Feel free to back that up with science and facts anytime now and we can take your word for it. As of now you just sound like the usual denier. "100 cars do not cause pollution and do not effect anything. 10000 cars do not cause pollution and do not effect anything. 1000000 cars do not cause pollution and do not effect anything." Yeah how long is that supposed to be true?

Ok you want proof lets look at what science has to say as opposed to doom and gloom web sites. Lets start with this first radiation exposure in low levels is not as dangerous as we thought makes sense though because living on earth we were going to be exposed to it. And like all things we adapt to handle its effects.Scientists early on were scaring the public because they were trying to stop the use of nuclear weapons and well they lied about its effects.You must realize at that time they were trying to get nuclear weapons banned.

www.eurekalert.org...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Ok so lets move on we established that the low level radiation exposure isnt as deadly as we thought,So now lets look at what could actually escape the reactor really three types of radiation iodine 131 and cesium 134 and 137. First cesium 134 does not occur naturally it is a by product of active fission. Since the reactor is shut down there is no more to be produced so the amount that escaped is all there is.Better for us its half life is only two years meaning that 50 percent of 134xe is gone 2 yrs after the disaster.The iodine radiation they use this to treat cancer its a low level dose. Now lets move on to cesium 137 This is what's responsible for the radioactive fuel rods they are mostly cesium 137 and this is what scares everyone so lets look at it.

Cesium 137 has a half life of 30 years meaning of course in 30 years half of it decayed. Now initially this was a problem at fukushima because the fuel rods became overheated and and cesium gas was released this however has been resolved there keeping them nice and cool. Now as far as water contamination of the pacific up until 93 countries were dumping fuel rods into the ocean.Well there is rumors that its occurring off the coast of somalia since there is no active government there. Prior to 93 there were 15 offenders with names like United States,China,Russia,UK,france,germany, And ones you wouldnt consider like New zealand,South Korea and yes switzerland. At this point we have dumped far more nuclear waste in the oceans all over the world than Fukushima ever could. So most of the cesium 137 in the water is sitting on the ocean floor and turning into cesium hydroxide basically a very strong acid.Makes hydrochloric acid look like a wimp because this stuff will eat through glass.So the biggest fear is raising the acidity of an area causing damage to wildlife.

Now people keep seeing the numbers huge numbers in Becquerels but i dont think people understand what they mean. Well its in reference to the decay rate or in other words exposure from gama rays do to radioactive decay.One Becquerel means one atomic nuclei decayed in 1 second releasing a gamma ray. When you see numbers like 11,346PBq for fukushima this is talking about total gamma ray released not the nuclear contaminants themselves. So lets put this radiation in perspective how much has been released through nuclear testing of 502 bombs. Well until someone else sets one off and they will we are currently at 2,566,087PBq or in other words millions instead of thousands. So your biggest threat to exposure already occurred Fukushima is just a drop in the bucket.So please stop all the doom and gloom stuff. Its bad i feel sorry for the Japanese this is a mess in an area where land is at a premium and well its going to take some areas 30 years to return to normal. But barring any further complications the threat is over the only new radiation levels will be immediately at the plant as gamma rays are released from those fuel rods. They arent being dumped in the ocean though thats one solution. There is no longer a threat to wildlife since now they fixed the cooling system theres no threat of further contamination of any waterway.They are constantly monitoring for leaks in the containment system. What they hope to be able to do is wait until the rods have cooled down enough to put in dry casks and finish clean up then. Depending on the fuel rods usually takes between 3 to 5 years. The other solution for them is to do like the Russians seal the place in cement for 50 years and wait for exposure levels to drop. If things get bad this is exactly what they will do!

reply to post by dragonridr


Wow. You wrote a lot. It makes it look like you are educated, informed and intelligent...yet you did not actually respond to what I wrote. I have to wonder why the lengthy deflection.

reply to post by catfishjoe


One also has to consider the amount of seafood we use to feed our poultry and porcine livestock. Most of the seafood used here is used for animal feed.

reply to post by catfishjoe


So long seafood? Hate to break the bad news, it's more like "so long us". If the Pacific Ocean dies, we die, me thinks.

reply to post by dragonridr


I'm not seeing any real science here, and I am not sure who all these doom and gloom people are. I read a lot from people who are rightfully concerned, and the people who keep claiming there is nothing to worry about, put out a lot of disinformation.

This half life claim seems to be the latest in rounds of disinfo.

This is what we are dealing with.

rt.com...

Late last month, TEPCO said it had found new leaks at the No. 1 reactor, in addition to the previous ones discovered last earlier in December. The latest incident on December 24 may have leaked around 225 tons of radioactive water, Japan Daily Press reported. It turned out that the water in that area contained Strontium-90, a radioactive isotope of strontium produced by nuclear fission with a half-life of 28.8 years, at a level as high as 440 becquerels per liter. The current temporary limit for water to be released from the concrete boundaries is said to be 10 becquerels of Strontium-90 per liter. A TEPCO representative feared the water may have already seeped into the ground.

I have posted other links that identify Strontium-90 as the main producer of radiation.

I have already posted on Bq numbers. It is more complicated than what you claim.

You might want to consider how much Bq a fish absorbs, how many liters of water go through those gils. How many Bqs absorbed by the food the fish eat. How much additional Bq does a tuna fish absorb when it eats other fish, before it winds up on your plate at the sushi restaurant.

Well that kills the quote "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."....all the seafood is dead. what the f*ck is wrong with humanity depleting all the natural resources for the capital of few. Sad Dayz!

reply to post by Josephus

Exactly, and let alone feeding our animal with contaminated food, Its all connected, the ocean is very fragile, and every tiny kind of life forms could have a great impact on the whole ecosystem if they die in mass.

It's already been explained before, but there are seasonal outbursts of marine life caused by more food getting washed into the ocean during the spring melt or the tropical rainy seasons. It happens every year. For a brief period, the plankton-rich outflow from rivers and the debris of dead creatures fills the ocean offshore. Then it slowly vanishes. How? It gets eaten up, or sinks to the seafloor, where eventually it gets eaten up too.

People who know the sea are quite familiar with such phenomena. However, global warming is changing the pattern. That's what the report is about: how climate change is altering patterns of life in the ocean. Not Fukushima, which has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

The original paper on which the OP article is based explains it clearly in the abstract.

Here we show that previous findings of food deficits are now punctuated by large episodic surpluses of particulate organic carbon reaching the sea floor, which meet utilization. Changing surface ocean conditions are translated to the deep ocean, where decadal peaks in supply, remineralization, and sequestration of organic carbon have broad implications for global carbon budget projections.

The OP article itself is just silly doom porn from an 'alternative' (ie quack) health blog called 'Natural Health News & Holistic Healing'.

Just a clarification on the article in the OP. It seems some are not quite reading it correctly.

98% of the ocean floor off the coast of California is now covered with dead/decaying sea life "goo".

That is what the article states, not 98% of "all sea life" in the "Pacific Ocean" as a whole.

As for the article's claim. There were multiple monitoring stations to confirm the findings of the single monitoring station which reported the 98% number.

They cannot confirm nor deny Fukushima as the causation of this factual observation due to a lack of further research to date. The article concludes (in their opinion) that Fukushima is the cause of the factual observation.

My Opinion:
Based on several exceptional posts in this thread it is logical to me that the irradiated water currents we were all told would bring this radiation from Fukushima to the West Coast of the USA, by "early 2014" has indeed arrive, on schedule based on numerous scientific estimations.

www.nbcnews.com...

The results is massive die offs of local sea life do to the concentration level of the contaminated waters. This does not rule out climate change as a contributor to the factual observation; but strongly suggests Fukushima as the primary causation.

Two things can be gleaned here.

1 is the opposite of what a poster mentioned earlier. Earlier it was suggested to eat "as low on the food chain as possible" due to heavy metals accumulation up the food chain. For mercury perhaps; however if all this "bottom of the ocean death" is in fact related to radiation in the water; the organics eating the directly effected material (bottom feeders) would contain the highest levels of radiation in their flesh. You are what you eat.

2, if the irradiated water has indeed arrived, evaporation of surface water, would result in air radiation levels increasing over mainland USA. The radcon monitoring stations should begin to see increased levels as ocean water temps raise over the next 2-3 months, evaporating more and more irradiated water.

I agree with the posters who conclude. Causation is irrelevant, regardless of cause the effect is true. In March 2012 the ocean floors off the coast of California were 1% covered with dead/decaying sea life. Today it is 98% covered. Whatever the "cause", we must address the "effect" if it is not already too late.

God Bless,

Another laughable thread about Fuku...

deepseanews.com...
www.metabunk.org...

reply to post by Cobaltic1978

If it isn't Fukishima that's causing it, then what else could it be I wonder?

The original study cites "Climate Change" as a possible cause.

Not fukushima.

However, that being said, the study is actually about microscopic organisms (Algae, etc) that are being eaten by other sea life...

As the measurements are on ocean floor sediment "particulate organic carbon", so this isn't, like... dead fish or whatever....

It's particulate carbon.

Article is bad, and should feel bad.

Time for Noah, his Boat and the Animals 2 by 2.

reply to post by ElohimJD


From the article you posted:

The release of cesium-137 from Fukushima in Japan’s more turbulent eastern currents means the radioactive material is diluted to the point of posing little threat to humans by the time it leaves Japan’s coastal waters.

As you can see, a local event. No harmful levels of radiation will reach the US and haven't yet. Also, you talked about evaporating sea water causing more radiation, but evaporated sea water is pure water. It does not contain nuclear radioactive elements. (At least that is what I got out of my education when we broached the subject matter)

See this scientific paper which shows that as the water of the Salton Sea evaporates, the radiation of the sea increases as there are more parts per million. So the Sea has seasonal increases/decreases of measurable radiation.

pubs.usgs.gov...

PLEASE NOTE! THIS IS NATURALLY OCCURRING RADIATION!

Edit: I just googled as much as I could about the evaporating radiation theory, and it appears to have originated with sites like Natural News and other such fringe websites. In turn it was picked up by other conspiracy type sites. I can't really find any scientific confirmation that this can happen, but again, per my limited education on the subject we have nothing to worry about when it comes to evaporating sea water.