Why do you think your "God" does not make it's existence obvious or communicate in an obvious man

reply to post by Krazysh0t


Feeling secure is a delusion. yes! yes! Of course you make perfect sense. Feelings don't always ascribe to rationality to work. When you are a kid it is easier to be happy because you can make irrational things make you happy like jumping and saying gourararararararar like my little cousin was doing the other day, he was a happy camper!

People find all sorts of ways to cope with reality. Guess what, religion is the most popular one in the world. I guess your the only true wise man on the planet. Billions of people believe in God. Billions. Guess they are ALL crazy except you.

AfterInfinity
In fact, it could be argued that he knew who would sit in each seat in hell and why, even as he built the place. He determined your fate before your grandfather took his first breath.

And that's one of your mistakes.

There is no "hell". The term Sheol and Hades and Ghenna used in the bible is just a term to infer a common grave that all mankind's ends up in where we all decay and ceases to exist. No burning afterlife.

If you are a wicked person, you just cease to exist that's all.

Only a handful go to heaven, the rest of us will continue in gods memory for when he has enough and resets the earth and we resurrected into perfect bodies and live how we should have done.

None of this dumbass catholic hellfire or god killing children to take them to heaven as angels ect

reply to post by AfterInfinity


God doesn't pull triggers humans do. God never showed humans how to make guns or how to kill. Humans did that on their own.

Humans are accountable for their own actions.

Are humans manipulative, liars and deceivers. Some yes! We are sinners because we know good and evil, and we have the capacity to choose.

What don't you get? Be responsible. Period.

reply to post by bitsforbytes


Exactly!

God hitting his head against a cloud right now because of how stupid we are and how we blame eveyone but ourselfs.

reply to post by crazyewok


You know Mr Ewok your not so crazy after all.

reply to post by bitsforbytes

God doesn't pull triggers humans do. God never showed humans how to make guns or how to kill. Humans did that on their own.

Humans are accountable for their own actions.

Are humans manipulative, liars and deceivers. Some yes! We are sinners because we know good and evil, and we have the capacity to choose.

What don't you get? Be responsible. Period.

But when two drunks are beating the piss out of each other, there's no reason for God to show up and be like, "Bros, what have I told you? Come sit with me and sing a song of love. I brought Gatorade!"

Is that so unreasonable? Because that's what I call being responsible. If we are all his children, then maybe he ought to come down in person and spend some quality time with us. Phone calls don't quite cut it.

Actually, this is how the story goes. That angels rebelled against God and came down to earth from the heavens and decided to tap some human ass (never wondered why religious woman wear scarfs), they sought to impregnate woman for they were fair. So down came these angels, with extensive knowledge in comparison with us and showed us astronomy, politics, writing, math, wearing makeup, using herbs and tattoos, seduction...oh! and the art of war and weapon making. So God didn't like that because they poisoned his creation, so God made a great deluge and "reset" the planet carrying an unblemished seed through Noah.

I think that those angels who came down in the 100's helped forge the first civilizations. Build the pyramids, you know those building we find on every continent that we cannot fully explain how and why. Also, Sumeria explaining that the Anunaki (those from heaven who came) showed them everything and thus began civilization.

So today, some humans still veneer the angels of death, those who rebelled against God and carry out their will to destroy God's creation; the earth and us. That is why greed, envy, lust, sloth, gluttony, pride and wrath are festering the media, politics and are shown as being ok and normal. That is why our past has been systematically destroyed, confused and distorted. To keep us in the dark on where we came from and where we need to go.

Haven't learned anything here on ATS/

reply to post by AfterInfinity


But that defeats the purpose of humans goind it alone.

If he intervenes then we are not independant.

Either we have full independance or we dont.

If we go 50/50 nothing is proven.

Humans in eden decided they did not need god. So god is giving humans what they wanted to prove solidly we cant run our own affairs.

When he finaly steps in a restores thing he can firmly say we had our shot. Thete will be no ifs and buts, after he steps in there would be no sound reason for humans to say we want to go it alone, as we would already know the results. If god kept stepping in and sorting our problems out then that wont be the case as we wouldnt have had true independance and in the future if god resets the earths humans could turn round and say we didnt have a fair chance case you kept butting your nose in, so we want another try and therefore cue a secound 6-10 thousand years of human suffering.

reply to post by crazyewok

But that defeats the purpose of humans goind it alone.

If he intervenes then we are not independant.

Either we have full independance or we dont.

If we go 50/50 nothing is proven.

Oh, we're supposed to be independent? I have NEVER heard that before. Are we talking about the same thing? Because it doesn't seem like it. You don't sound like any Christian I've ever talked to.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Dude, we are supposed to have parents for that. I understand not all humans has had an equal chance when it comes to the quality or even the presence of their parents. That is why we must be charitable to those less fortunate, especially when we blew up their family for oil and drugs. Love and nurturing is the only cure against hatred, no magic pill of science their. I know your not the soul responsible for this, but you can't take away the fact that humans are causing this madness not God.

We have also a book that give us answers, if we want to listen. All things given by the grace of God.

reply to post by bitsforbytes

All things given by the grace of God.

Sounds an awful lot like dependence to me. Jussayin'.

AfterInfinity
You don't sound like any Christian I've ever talked to.

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That because im not


IM neither a corrupt catholic or poxy protestant.


And yes that is the point of the last 6000 years. To show how humans will make a huge cock up on our own.

Dp

Xeven
Why do you think your "God" does not make it's existence obvious or communicate in an obvious manner?
Now I know some of you are going to say oh he does make his existence known and he does communicate and well I am not talking about some vague bible writings written thousands of year ago. I am talking about just plain ole hello there type talking.

Why does your god not reveal himself? Testing your faith? Why would he do that if he created you he knows the lengths of your faith.

So now that this is clear what gives? Why is god so secretive? Why is our only salvation written on some scrolls created by uneducated men 1000's of years ago?

Would be easy for everyone to believe if God would just say hello.

God could save everyone with a simple hello.

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we have free will now. If he showed up then it would remove our free will. So he has let us do whatever we want in this life. And if we serve him it's by choice not by force. And that's how he'll know who to take into heaven. Those that served him out of there free will. The rest go to hell.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I don't know if you wiped your ass right from birth but I didn't. Needed some help and then eventually I got to wipe my own ass! YAY!

Some humans should know how to wipe their own ass but unfortunately don't. And some are our leaders with powerful armies and weapon of mass destruction.

Father please forgive us for we know not what we do.

reply to post by spartacus699


Yes! Exactly!

Doesn't that make sense to anyone else?

reply to post by spartacus699

we have free will now. If he showed up then it would remove our free will.

How, exactly? How does showing up and saying "Hi!" and buying me a coffee remove my free will? Last time I checked, that's called manning the **** up and taking credit for your actions. I tell you to get the hell out of my life, that's when you turn around and walk away. That's when you respect my free will. But at least you can say you tried.

I don't see any god trying.

AfterInfinity
I checked, that's called manning the **** up and taking credit for your actions.

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Any ypur missing the point. Its the other way round.


God gave us perfect life and we told him to stick it in Eden and go our own way.

So he basicaly said fine go.


All the death and suffering is MAN MADE. Its our fault.

Humans are the ones that need to man up and take responsibilty for our OWN actions and mistakes, not just pin them on a man in the sky who has just watched (though he has sent guidance down through the bible and Jesus).

reply to post by crazyewok

God gave us perfect life and we told him to stick it in Eden and go our own way.

So he basicaly said fine go.

Oh, is that what you call perfect? I don't admire your standards. Not to mention that the whole "fruit of forbidden knowledge" thing could only have happened if God allowed it. Are you reading me? IT WAS A SET UP. God put that tree in the one place they could reach it, let in the one animal who was guaranteed to trick Eve, and just happened to not be around while Satan was talking to her. For being omniscient and omnipotent, he royally screwed up. I mean, BADLY. And that's why he got rid of them, because it was HIS fault, not theirs. Or maybe because he wanted to hide the fact that it was all intentional. He wanted them to eat the fruit. He just had to make it look like he hadn't had a hand in it.

But whatever. Again, your standards in perfection are a little screwy.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Well you have free will so your welcome to your opinion.