Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think we can assume that the message is of a purely human source due to the coordinates coming from one particular digital map.

I agree with that as well. Someone else actually pointed out that it's likely an American made a mistake with the co-ordinates that point to Hy-Brasil (which let's face it doesn't exist!). Here in the UK the Greenwich Meridian runs right down one side of country. Whereas stateside everything is to the west. So the mysterious co-ordinates actually point to Woodbridge.

I think everyone knows that, although the reason why remains debatable, I believe Penniston's testimony to be nothing but a huge red herring.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I had a look through his posts and I was baffled by the change in his character by the end. The story he told did not sit well with the character he portrayed at the beginning.

I REALLY wanted to believe his story Kev, I really did. Same with the symbols and binary code.

To be fair to Penniston, the map coordinates being of human origin offer both the option of some redemption, or far worse situation:

- The Message: Penniston is hypnotised or controlled by some human agency (from where / when). He is not their target. WE are.
- Destroying the Witnesses: Penniston was given the data knowingly by someone he trusts and was told to tell a specific tale. We are the target.
- Personal Gain: Penniston created the code via a number of steps knowingly, beginning with map coordinates. We are target.

I hope that it's not the third option

a reply to: mirageman

I'd never thought of that.

I can see only two options: manipulation of Penniston to destroy the case, or personal gain.

I find it quite depressing.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

I'd never thought of that.

I can see only two options: manipulation of Penniston to destroy the case, or personal gain.

I find it quite depressing.

There might be "something" "inhuman" acting as a "messenger of deception".

Not just deceptive humans at multiple layers.

Hard to say.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There might be "something" "inhuman" acting as a "messenger of deception".

i have actually detected moments of "human" acting when Penniston is on film. You have to be quick.

He claims he was drugged during his own Dec 1980 'debriefings' (somewhat unusual in peace time on your own troops) .

See what you make of his body language around 25:00 mins (his visible reaction is about 25:40 on the video). Is he genuinely concerned or acting? I say acting. But then maybe he had to do a few takes under pressure from the production company?




It's rife Jim but not as you know it!

There is also a video somewhere of Penniston speaking at the 2010 conference at Woodbridge Town Hall where it seems like he knows he's talking absolute crap but also has to keep on going....I'm too tired now. Time for bed said Zebedee.

Oh and our mate Astro. His (or her) story was complete bollocks, More holes than a piece of Swiss cheese.

a reply to: mirageman

Yes. At 25.40 that eye blink was a "tell".

No question at all.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman
I forgot to add this the other day. Not really much to add to the story. Other than it appears to add a bit more weight to the fact that something strange went on.

UFOs Radar operators say UFO travelled 120 miles in 8 SECONDS in Britain's famed close encounter

Two former radar operators have revealed how a UFO travelled 120 miles in less than EIGHT SECONDS during Britain's most famous close encounter...........

Ike Barker said: "It wasn't like any radar target I've ever seen.

"It was travelling at an extremely high rate of speed. It passed over the control tower and then it stopped. I've never seen anything like the maneuverability that happened with this object.

"It was orange in colour and it popped into my mind that somebody was flying a basketball out here. There were lights around the centre but not like navigation lights.

"It was more like portholes, as if you were seeing the lights from the inside coming out. It hovered momentarily, reversed its course and went back out a high rate of speed."...........

Carey, a tech sergeant with the 2164th Communications Squadron, said the unknown target made a sharp right angle turn at high speed before it left the area.

He said: "It was just phenomenal to see it go that fast. I said that can't be one of ours. No jet can make an immediate right hand turn."........

Source: Daily Mirror

Hmmm, not much to add to the story, but we’ve now got three separate sightings of ball-shaped objects, and some striking similarities:

- Warren/Bustinza in Capel Green field. Red light came in from direction of North Sea and hovered over the field. “The object was now stationary and roughly the size of a basketball. I had never seen its color before, but red comes closest.” Exploded into a bright white light with no noticeable heat. Shards of light and particles fell onto the fog.
- Halt in forest/field. Red/yellow ball. Oval, very bright, dark centre like an eye; appears to shedding something, like molten metal dripping off it “pieces of it are shooting off”. The object later “silently explodes, sort of like a firework, into 5 white glowing balls and they disappear”.
- Ike Barker and Jim Carey on duty in the air traffic control tower. Ike Barker: "It was orange in colour and it popped into my mind that somebody was flying a basketball out here. There were lights around the centre but not like navigation lights. It was more like portholes, as if you were seeing the lights from the inside coming out. It hovered momentarily, reversed its course and went back out a high rate of speed."


A queer reddish colour, basketball sized, particles falling, explosions into white light. Not conclusive, but some uncanny similarities.

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Also extend my best wishes to your mum Tulpa; hope you're alright too mate!

a reply to: Defragmentor

I still strongly maintain my original thesis..

Just because a major event is full of bollocks and disinformation.. doesn't
mean that other "tricksters" aren't involved.

To create a "UFO" all you need is disinformation.. but to create a narrative
that refuses to die EVER, you do seem to need some UAP thrown on top of
it.

It's rather like a convention of politicians, used car salesmen and lawyers.

All the "parties" have a vested self interest in conflating certain events
to the maximum.

Kev

a reply to: Defragmentor

Hey Defrag, I started considering the types of objects seen, a while back. It was only recently with the radar operators statements that I began to reconsider what was seen.

Essentially, we have three witnesses describing a red / orange ball (buoyant plasma phenomena?). This struck a cord with me, because there is a connection with the Broadhaven encounter. As you will know, this event was where a class a of school children saw a ufo land (and from what I've read at least one teacher saw the craft).

What is interesting, is that around the same time, in the Wales, there was also the Ripperston Farm event. This began with lights being seen, then craft and a visitor who may have been holographic. Later, giants in silver suits were seen wondering about.

I've seen some explanations of this event, a hoax, with someone dressing up in the silver suit.

Regardless - those initially encounter as described by Pauline Coombs, of Ripperston Farm, were of red / orange football sized objects hovering over hedges.

Remember, these are UK footballs, so round. They are also orange / red and they preceded the arrival of nuts and bolts craft.

UK UFOLOGY and the Orange Balls
- Fly and hover independently.
- Tend to approach from or are seen near UK coastal waters
- Are seen before solid craft (a giant white jelly mold shaped craft appeared later near Ripperston, much like Bustinza / Warrens craft in scale, shape and color - that appeared after an orange ball exploded).
- Not too far from US Military facilities and nuclear facilities.

a reply to: ctj83

Have you ever thought about writing up a fresh post detailing everything documented
about UFO plasma ball events? I'd love to read it.

I'm not sure what to make of your thesis that "plasma balls" precede "nuts and bolts craft".

As you know, I don't believe in nuts and bolts craft.. for a variety of reasons.. some from
my own viewing of a BTUFO,

but especially after I read "Encounters with Star People" and other sources, which discuss orbs swarming
together to form the APPEARANCE of "nuts and bolts craft".

And even in the cases where someone APPEARS to touch or interact with such a craft,
they will:

1) Probably get dosed with radiation (not surprising if it's energy beings swarming together)
2) Sometimes are convinced there is a physical craft, even when someone standing next to
them doesn't see anything at all. (the appearance of a physical craft is purely in the mind).

Of course the concept that 'orbs' are 'remote probes' or 'scouts' is also of interest to me.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'll probably do that at some point. I actually came across this idea whilst making a minor breakthrough in my APEN investigation.

I wouldn't actually refer to it as my thesis as I'm not sure I'm particularly comfortable with the concept myself. It's more an observation. I've looked at a number of different hypothesis, each I can defend on a micro basis but when we go back to macro, they all fall apart.

It's interesting to note where we see orange floating balls:

- Rendlesham
- The Welsh Triangle / Ripperston Farm
- Berwyn (sure the scale is much bigger, but it's the same thing)

- Paul Bennewitz Affair

Our own Bedlam has also had an encounter with one of these spheres, which approached him in a wooded area, whilst on active duty.

There are a number of features which seem to correlate with these events in the first three:

- Rural area
- Nuclear powerstation located nearby
- Military presence

- Near the coastline
- Near an underwater monitoring station or Over The Horizon Radar

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'll probably do that at some point. I actually came across this idea whilst making a minor breakthrough in my APEN investigation.

I wouldn't actually refer to it as my thesis as I'm not sure I'm particularly comfortable with the concept myself. It's more an observation. I've looked at a number of different hypothesis, each I can defend on a micro basis but when we go back to macro, they all fall apart.

It's interesting to note where we see orange floating balls:

- Rendlesham
- The Welsh Triangle / Ripperston Farm
- Berwyn (sure the scale is much bigger, but it's the same thing)

- Paul Bennewitz Affair

Our own Bedlam has also had an encounter with one of these spheres, which approached him in a wooded area, whilst on active duty.

There are a number of features which seem to correlate with these events in the first three:

- Rural area
- Nuclear powerstation located nearby
- Military presence

- Near the coastline
- Near an underwater monitoring station or Over The Horizon Radar

All of these precisely align with my thesis that there is a sub-oceanic/sub-subterranean
Cryptozoic lifeform/civilization, which seems drawn/repelled to EM/Radiation/Plasma.

The military has both nuclear and EM/plasma stuff in abundance these days.. and
military bases are often near the ocean too (Navy ones anyway.. and I was in the
Navy in the nuclear power program for 7 years.. there are HUNDREDS of nuclear
powered ships on our coastlines.. that people don't think about)

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

One thing that I've never really looked in any depth at is the "blue" balls of light that were reported at Rendlesham as well.
I'm sure they were reported on all 3 nights of the incident.

Anything you have found on them Kev?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

One thing that I've never really looked in any depth at is the "blue" balls of light that were reported at Rendlesham as well.
I'm sure they were reported on all 3 nights of the incident.

Anything you have found on them Kev?

I'm afraid not.

"Regular plasma" is simply some substance, generally gaseous which has had some of it's electron shells ripped off, so You wind up with a soup of ions and electrons.

Generally people assume high temperatures...due to say lightning, microwave heating, or whatever your energy transfer method of choice (solar plasma too of course...hopefully that stays far from Earth).

So really normal plasma could be various colors, depending on the method of excitation, what wavelength the photons released are at, which fluid is heated up and the atmosphere surrounding.

I can't really speculate about "hypothetical plasmas" or "metaphysical plasmas if any" and color. All anyone really means when they use the metaphor of "plasma" in this case, is a soup of some sort of exotic matter/energy, which holds some sort of shape for whatever reason and it may be "hot" or room temperature.

A sphere is a very energy efficient form, so it's no surprise to see that form.

Now of you are an occultist, you can talk about things like willo wisps or corpse candles or even "souls" as generally being blue colored...but I don't use those metaphors really.

I myself have seen many exotic things...but have never seen "an orb". It's just never happened. And I don't confuse light glinting off dust with or without a digital camera "an orb".

Maybe I should try to scare one up..It has worked for other things.

So...can't really help you mate.

Kev

Regarding the ‘balls of light’:

“The craft was immobile and silent, but it suddenly transmitted a hissing sound and reduced the intensity of the lights. Simultaneously, a red light ball came out of the center and headed straight downward, not far from their position. The policemen were both terrified. The light ball turned from its vertical path into a horizontal path, and disappeared from view behind some trees.”

“More than 300 cases involved witnesses seeing a craft at less than 300 meters (1,000 feet), and over 200 sightings lasted longer than five minutes. Sometimes observers were right underneath the craft.
On three occasions, red light balls left the structure, and on two occasions they were seen returning to the craft.”

Gen. Major Wilfried De Brouwer, the Belgian UFO wave (1989), Leslie Kean’s book

While the object and the F-4 continued on a southerly path, a smaller second object detached itself from the first and advanced on the F-4 at high speed. […] Jafari then instituted a turn and a negative G dive as evasive action. The object fell in behind him at about 3 to 4 nautical miles (7.4 km) distance for a short time, then turned and rejoined the primary object.

UFO over IRAN, 1976, Wikipedia

Bobo continued, "When the object first caught my eye, it was already stationary, I didn't see it move to where it was and I didn't see it leave. I never left the tower and I kept a close eye on the object most of the time, you know, trying to figure out what it was and what it might do next."
I asked Bobo if he had observed anything resembling beams of light coming down from the object at any time. He paused a moment, then said, "No, not beams of light. But after it was hanging there a long while, I saw things shooting off it, really, really fast, like little sparks or something. Maybe four or five of them. Little pieces of light, all leaving within a minute [of one another] like they were getting out of there. I hate to say it, but they looked like little ships, like drones maybe, but I don't know. They were shooting off in all directions, but up into the sky, not down to the ground. Right after that, the big object just disappeared. I was watching it, at least I thought I was, but it was just gone. I don't know what happened to it."

Robert Hastings interview with Rick Bobo

This may also interest you.

a reply to: ctj83

I actually came across this idea whilst making a minor breakthrough in my APEN investigation.

That was an eye opener to me as I'd not looked at APEN in detail. Seems to me that, for whatever reasons UFO reports go hand in hand with disinformation once too many people start taking interest in a particular case.

Don't know if you've seen Mirage Men (click link) it covers the Bennewitz case in detail and much more. Even has a real "Mirage Man", Richard Doty talking about it and it's nigh on impossible to watch for and spot signs of him lying.

It's interesting to note where we see orange floating balls:

- Rendlesham
- The Welsh Triangle / Ripperston Farm
- Berwyn (sure the scale is much bigger, but it's the same thing)

- Paul Bennewitz Affair

I once saw an orange ball of light zoom through the sky on a hot (very hot) English summer evening when I was playing football (we are talking early 1980s now). It was gone in a flash, after a couple of seconds, off the horizon or into the sea. And it was vaguely like that seen at around 1:00 - 1:00 in the below video.



I always remember a thunderstorm followed a minute or so later and a smoky sort of smell, a bit like you get just before it rains only much stronger. I always thought it was a form of ball lightning. So I'm thinking there might be a link between these 'plasma balls' and ball lightning. What causes them? I would have thought that a late December night in Suffollk woods would not be conducive to producing ball lightning. But throw in some unknown variables.........

a reply to: Guest101

In my opinion, those "balls of light" are the actual passengers.

If my theory is right, and the "plasma lifeforms" are somewhat reluctant to
hobnob with EM fields, nuclear material, artificial plasmas etc, that would
only be logical.

I mean, we are biological beings, but we are reluctant to hobnob with
say lions or alligators or things which dissolve biological material..
just to use a metaphor.

Sometimes I think that the supposed "ships" are just swarms of the same
or a related life-form, or a mental illusion.. or a trick of manipulating
the higgs field (materializing into something solid).

But you know..

It certainly could be true that some sort of "energy lifeform" would also
use some more mundane form of "shielding" -- IE maybe soemthing
approaching a 'real ship'.

That too would possibly explain why so many "ships" that are reported
are for midgets.. (like 20 foot disks) and have no apparent engines
or support systems.

"Living Energy" may just need some shielding (i.e a simple / small)
physical shell.

Just thinking out loud.. due to your one link about the orb coming
down and out of the 'ship'.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

John Burroughs saw the blue spheres. I also believe that one flew past a female airman before the first night began. Possibly Warren and Bustinza did as well. I've really wanted to dig more into them myself.

a reply to: ctj83

Although not much is known about it a female officer, Lt. Bonnie Tamplin who stalled her vehicle whilst on patrol on the night of the 26th/27th Dec 1980. A blue light supposedly flew through the windscreen of her vehicle. She was so distressed she was relieved of duty. Is that the incident you are referring to?

That's just reminded me that Bustinza had a very weird experience of his own before he arrived at Bentwaters.

He says just a small bit about it in an interview with Larry Fawcett.

AB –..It was in California where it actually happened….. Mather Air Force Base. Yeah. There, we didn’t really see much we were all out on the perimeter. The alert pad and bright lights lit up the whole area, and there was something in the middle of the pad but hovering about, oh, forty, fifty feet above in the air. Real shiny lights. You couldn’t even look up at it really–bright, bright lights all around. And then it just disappeared. We called it in; they just started laughing at us.

Full interview : link

a reply to: mirageman

Interesting....

Some people attract anomalous phenomena.

I'd wager that these people have a baby dark
Plasma lifeform hatching in them...which attracts momma and da da and others of the species.

Throw on that some local nuclear or plasma experiments in the area and anything might happen.

Do you know how long it was between this incident and Bustinzas presence at Bentwaters?