Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

Adrian Bustinza has given a public interview (August 27, 2015 on KGRA PHENOMENON Radio).

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... there was silence and he told me, he said, 'What you're telling me,' he said, 'doesn't exist, did not happen. I'm telling you what you saw. It was the lighthouse light.' And I said, 'No, sir.' I said, 'You're confused. I'm telling you.'

And he says, 'Son, bullets are a dime a dozen.' He goes, 'Do you understand me?'

I didn't know what to say anymore. And I said, 'You don't understand.'

Then I felt a presence behind me, like another body. And I knew there was more people in there, like two or three people because I was walked in by two gentlemen. And, you know, he told me again. He says, 'I'm going to tell you one more time. What you saw was the lighthouse, and the light was shining, reflecting off the trees.' He says, 'And that's going to be your story because that's what you saw.'

a reply to: Defragmentor

Good call mate I'd forgotten to add it to this particular thread and it is one of the most interesting interviews in years from the Rendlesham crowd. We had FOUR witnesses from the last night of events on one radio show. Burroughs, Bustinza, Smith and Warren.

It is truly a brilliant interview, and it must have taken Adrian (and Smith) great courage to come forward onto radio.

But it's great to hear Bustinza backing Warren's account about the yellow asprin-shaped patch of mist (Adrian had his hand in it up to his wrist!?—and may have a nail fungal infection as a result), the orange/red light, and the 'beings' appearing in the 'bubbles'. Of course, also backing this testimony up, you've got Peter Robbins pictures of the discoloured area in question and the soil samples he's had taken.

From Deliberate Deception:

“Unless you know that several years later, soil samples I took from this exact spot, soon to be known as the ‘affected’ area,’ were compared to random ‘control’ samples collected from other parts of the field named Capel Green where the event occurred. The professional analysis conducted on them confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt that something truly anomalous had taken place at this exact spot.”

originally posted by: Defragmentor
Adrian Bustinza has given a public interview (August 27, 2015 on KGRA PHENOMENON Radio).

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Thanks for posting that interview, I hadn't heard it before.

... there was silence and he told me, he said, 'What you're telling me,' he said, 'doesn't exist, did not happen. I'm telling you what you saw. It was the lighthouse light.' And I said, 'No, sir.' I said, 'You're confused. I'm telling you.'

And he says, 'Son, bullets are a dime a dozen.' He goes, 'Do you understand me?'

I didn't know what to say anymore. And I said, 'You don't understand.'

Before that around 17 minutes, he explains how he was sure that it wasn't the lighthouse. He said it lit up the trees behind him and it didn't make any noise.

Ummmm, that's exactly what a light from a lighthouse would do. Why would it make any noise, and why wouldn't it light up the trees behind you? Then Bustinza sounded really dumb when he said he was arguing with the interviewer who said the light from the lighthouse reflected off the trees behind him, but he said no it didn't reflect it was lit up, so once again he doesn't understand a simple thing like what the word reflect means.

I've never wanted to shoot anybody before but with an explanation like that of how he knew it wasn't a lighthouse, I might have been tempted to talk about cheap bullets too. Not only did Bustinza not understand how light works...then or now...but he was also a little slow about understanding the 'Son, bullets are a dime a dozen", even that didn't sink in for a while. How can anybody not get what that means?

One part of the interview that surprised me was when he said there were 30-50 people out in the woods that night. First, that's a wide range, and second, is that plausible? Was it really that many? And if so, who were all those people? We ought to hear their stories too.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Hello Arby,

As you know there is an ongoing soap opera like sub-text to Rendlesham. Peter Robbins (co-author of Left at East Gate with Larry Warren) is about to launch an e-book "Halt in Woodbridge" (nice play on words) concerning Colonel Halt's constant attacks on his co-author (and to a lesser extent Robbins himself). Perhaps not content with the 7 volume pdf (Deliberate Deception") which in all fairness is free and contains some very interesting photos and documents not produced elsewhere. But it's main purpose was to criticise the Nick Pope penned "Encounter in Rendlesham Forest" book.




John Burroughs is now co-host of a radio show with Linda Moulton Howe. He and Jim Penniston seemed to have not seen eye to eye since working on their book with Nick Pope. Penniston himself seems to be trapped with his binary code legacy with some odd 'New Age' like followers trying to see deep meaning in them. Colonel Halt has been over here in England during the summer and his future intentions are unclear. Perhaps a book is on the way or perhaps not. It seems he will never be able to let go of the bitterness he feels towards Larry Warren though.

Larry appeared on the show we are talking about along with Adrian Bustinza.

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Yep interesting observations. Adrian seemed mighty confused, probably due in some part to nerves, at times in that interview but I'll have to give it another listen to absorb all the information. Was the lighthouse a component of this case? I am fairly certain it was. But could so many servicemen over three nights have been fooled by it and some rare celestial events? That has always been the question.

It seems something did happen and John Burroughs recent victory over the DoD suggests there is something more than just a lighthouse to all of this.

As for there being 30-50 people out there on the third night (the Halt/Warren/Burroughs night) it's hard to pin down exactly who.

I went through the Rendlesham Timeline

We know Halt, Warren, Burroughs and Bustinza were out there. Also on the record are Monroe Nevells, the disaster preparedness officer. Sgt Bob Ball was part of Halt's team. Lt. Bruce Englund was out there but has not (to my knowledge) ever spoken publicly about it. Greg Battram was another officer out there earlier in the evening. There were some in the control towers and weapons storage areas but they were further back.

I know there are stories about film crews from the military and British police officers out there as well. But that part of the story has never been verified. So 30 -50 American servicemen seems like a rather large number poking around outside the base on UK public land where, without due cause, they really had no right to be.

Why Halt and other senior officers felt they had the authority to send personnel and vehicles beyond the twin bases perimeters, other than the first night (when a possible aircraft crash would have been considered acceptable under the NATO Status of Forces Agreement) is still largely unexplained.

a reply to: mirageman

John Burroughs is now co-host of a radio show with Linda Moulton Howe.

Hah, yeah, I've been trying to keep up with them too, to see what they are going to do with themselves.

I was bugged just a day or so ago when I realized that LMH is still trying to convince people that Project Condign says anything at all about "UAP radiation" being a possible source of physical injury to anyone.

Of course, PC does not, and in fact states the opposite more than once.

That bit of willful obstinacy and ignorance on their part really ticks me off.

Hope all is well in your part of the world.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
He said it lit up the trees behind him and it didn't make any noise.

Ummmm, that's exactly what a light from a lighthouse would do. Why would it make any noise, and why wouldn't it light up the trees behind you? Then Bustinza sounded really dumb when he said he was arguing with the interviewer who said the light from the lighthouse reflected off the trees behind him, but he said no it didn't reflect it was lit up, so once again he doesn't understand a simple thing like what the word reflect means.

Maybe you should listen again, because you are misrepresenting his words:

“At one point someone even mentioned, 'Well, it could be the lighthouse,' but that was dismissed because if you're standing facing the lighthouse, and the lights come around behind you, that's not the lighthouse coming around behind you. The lighthouse doesn't move. So I knew that was the fact at that time.
And then when you're looking up into the sky and the lights are shining down on you or through the forest, through the trees from on top, and you're not hearing any noises such as a helicopter, plane, hovercraft or anything like that. There wasn't any noise. It was just us talking on the radio and talking to the airmen and each other and so forth. So there was no way it could have been the lighthouse at that point.”

“And I said, 'Light doesn't reflect off a tree. Light shines on the tree and you can see the tree.' And I said, 'When the light comes around behind you or above you, that's not a lighthouse.' “

He is completely right here, since a tree is a diffuse reflector and not a specular reflector.

Mod Edit

Larry Warren has also (previously) stated there were a high number of personnel out in the field. As he revealed in Left at East Gate:

We joined the forty-odd other men already in the field, just looking at the bizarre object on the ground in front of us.

... We were told not to move. A senior officer ordered us to keep a tight cordon on the area. This was considered a Covered Wagon, or Security Option Three, a procedure to ensure the security of a nuclear device.

... To my right were two English policemen from the town of Woodbridge.

... The cameras continued to roll. Suddenly, a staff car arrived at the end of a trail. Colonel Gordon Williams and other staff officers got out and spoke with officers already on site. Most of them were not in uniform, and some, including Williams, appeared to have been pulled from some official function or party.

Col. Halt has hinted at a lesser number of personnel. From an interview on Fade to Black with Jimmy Church (16 December, 2014, around the 52 minute mark):

"When we got to the forest we went forward, 5 of us. There were already 15 - 20 people out there, already."

And I thought, 'This is a public relations disaster'."

So there's a possible 25. And while it's unclear at which positions those other 15 - 20 men were at, if Halt had _just_ arrived in the forest, it's not unreasonable that more men were sent out thereafter, including the possible arrival of Gordon Williams and others at the field as Warren claims.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Arbitrageur
I know there are stories about film crews from the military and British police officers out there as well. But that part of the story has never been verified. So 30 -50 American servicemen seems like a rather large number poking around outside the base on UK public land where, without due cause, they really had no right to be.

Do we know if a call was made seeking permission from the MoD? Didn’t they make a call requesting radar info—it doesn’t seem a stretch that they’d try and touch base with the MoD and/or local police force?

But with the high strangeness going on, they may have felt they had due cause and were obliged to investigate. I’m not sure they knew what they were dealing with, hence perhaps a need to have strength in numbers? The following interview segment reveals a bit of the chaos (again, described by Halt as a “PR disaster”, with "probably 25 people" out there):

During the Rendlesham Round Table interview (Psychic Radio - June 11, 2010), Tim Egercic phones in. And at around 1:50:00:

Tim: We would had a 30 n' 30, if you guys remember what that was, ah y'know? We would have recalled people from the barracks if something had gotten near our WSA.

Halt: ... I'm talking to the command post, and if the command post doesn't want to do anything, do you think I was going to initiate it?

Tim: OK. That answers my other question ... why was everybody out in the forest and not protecting our, y'know, our #1 priority resource on the base?

Halt: Well, that was my main concern. I was extremely upset the fact that everyone was out there. There were light-alls out there, there were vehicles out there, there were probably 25 people out there. It was a public relations disaster and everything that's left on the base--I won't say unprotected, but minimally protected.

a reply to: Bybyots

Yes all is well in our part of the world. Amusing even. The PM has been making a bit of a pigof himself or apparently did back in his university days!

As for Rendlesham I think it has become a soap opera in some respects. But I also think that's part of my interest in it as well from a purely psychological point of view. LMH is unfortunately one of those tied in financially to the whole new age, UFO circus. So it's not necessarily in her interests to pursue the truth if it doesn't lead to aliens, time travel or some other part of the paranormal scene.

a reply to: Defragmentor

Larry Warren has also (previously) stated there were a high number of personnel out in the field. As he revealed in Left at East Gate...

There are a number of claims about it. But only a handful of the men are on record as admitting to being out in the forest with a few other names that have been banded around. It is one of the few parts of the story though that the witnesses do agree on!

Do we know if a call was made seeking permission from the MoD? Didn’t they make a call requesting radar info—it doesn’t seem a stretch that they’d try and touch base with the MoD and/or local police force?

But with the high strangeness going on, they may have felt they had due cause and were obliged to investigate. I’m not sure they knew what they were dealing with, hence perhaps a need to have strength in numbers?

What I've never understood and mentioned quite a few times is how many witnesses - Halt, Penniston, Burroughs and others have said how Heathrow Tower had spotted an object on radar. But nothing ever came of it.

A request was made to RAF Neatishead for radar tapes but things were confused by the incorrect date on Halt's memo which said everything happened on the 27th Dec 1980.



The local police were contacted twice at 4:11am on the 26th December and also again at 10:30am.The officer who came out in the early hours to Bentwaters reported "nothing to see here" except for the lighthouse. But there again what else was there to see by that time. The report from the officer the following morning thought the 3 marks in the ground thought to be the landing site could have been animal scratchings.








I'm retreading old ground posting most of the above as the information is already contained in the thead. However it would probably take you a long time to plough through it all now!

a reply to: mirageman

Appreciate it mirageman--I think you offer great encouragement for people to roll their sleeves up, take an interest, and check out details!

Now, what I find interesting . . . Larry Warren claims it was the 28/29th that he was back on D-Flight and out in the Capel Green field (where Bustinza confirms he was also present).

Was Halt referencing the lesser number of 20–25 people out on the previous night of the 27/28th?

This is a long shot, but could that explain why Halt has claimed that Warren wasn't out there??



There's a post up on facebook regarding Peter's new book (courtesy of 'Where Did the Road Go?'):

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178 pages with 71 illustrations and exhibits. Available from Amazon Books in paper and Kindle editions in US, UK and Europe. Paper, $14.95, ebook $4.00. Can't see it on Kindle yet though . . . !

a reply to: Defragmentor

Was Halt referencing the lesser number of 20–25 people out on the previous night of the 27/28th?

Well his memo seems to indicate that this was the ONLY night of the incident. Which we know to be incorrect.



Another airman Chris Armold (note it's spelt with an "M") claimed only a few people were actually out there on Halt's night.

“Halt essentially said he planned on coming out to the site in the evening and one way or another several of us said we'd keep him company. The guys I remember were John Burroughs, Adrian Bustamante, and me. I think another officer joined Halt, I believe it was Lt Bruce England, but I'm not absolutely certain and maybe two other guys (possibly one named Pennington, just can't remember for sure). There was however, no army of USAF guys out in the woods

Source : Voyager Newsletter No. 15

The 2nd night (Dec 27th/28th 1980) is the night where information is sparse about it.

However a number of people appeared to go out there in daylight including Penniston, Burroughs (at the end of their shift) Capt Verrano, Msgt Guylouis, possibly Operations Commander Maj Drury and Base Commander Ted Conrad.

Lori Buoen, was unusually stationed at East Gate (it was left unmanned normally) and recalled seeing a light descend below the treeline into the forest. Also on that night/morning Lt. Bonnie Tamplin went out into the woods to investigate only to find her vehicle stalling as a strange ball of blue flew through it. Radio contact was lost for around 10 mins. She called her superior Bob Ball and was relieved of duty as she was too traumatized to carry on. Bob Ball was one of Halt's team the following night.

If you have the time to read it all the Rendlesham Timeline is a good start.

There are also numerous links to audio, video and websites earlier in the thread here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Although some of the links may have died by now!

originally posted by: mirageman

Another airman Chris Armold (note it's spelt with an "M") claimed only a few people were actually out there on Halt's night.

Col Conrad was the Bentwaters/Woodbridge base commander. In an interview with Dave Clarke, he is very clear about the timeline:

Night of 25/26 dec:

Penniston's encounter on day 1 was at approximately 0300 hrs.

Evening of 26 dec:

the notification at the party was 18 hours later at approx. 9:00 PM, also on day 1.
Sometime between 2100 and 2200 members of the Woodbridge SP shift appeared at a Christmas party at the O’Club where Lt Col Halt and myself were in attendance. They reported the events of the previous night and thinking there might be a recurrence, Halt decided to ride along with the shift leader, which he did. Aside from that, nothing unusual happened.

This was the evening Armold joined Halt and his party, given his description of ‘no vehicles, just a couple of guys goofing around’ and ‘nothing unusual happened’.
Armold himself also remembers he joined Halt on the first evening after the incident with Burroughs, Penniston, and Cabansac:

In the morning [of dec 26] several of us were asked if we would return to the area to
point out the depressions to some folks who I believe were from environmental health.
During the trip to the woods, Lt Col Halt, the deputy base commander showed up.
Halt essentially said he planned on coming out to the site in the evening and one way or another several of us said we'd keep him company.

Conrad’s timeline continuous with the occurrences of 27/28 dec:

Penniston's interview occurred the morning of day 2, and shortly thereafter we decided to investigate. Halt spent most of that day with the investigators, the starlight scope and Geiger counter. After sundown he went back to the forest with his tape recorder, and reported seeing lights that night. This was actually early morning of day 3

This was the famous third night.

Nevels and Englund had performed the investigation ordered by Conrad earlier that day, and the reason Halt returned in the early morning of dec 28 probably was the sighting by Battram:

we noticed some lights in the sky that didn’t seem to follow any pattern of any aircraft we’d seen. We watched them for a while and they disappeared, and the next thing we saw was the lights in the forest…in a clearing off the end of the runway.
We thought it was a fire at first. When we saw that, we thought, ‘oh boy, we could have some problems out there’, so we called Central Security Control and told them we wanted to go out and see what it was.
As we got in there, we began to feel the hair on our arms stand up and we could see into the clearing and see a set of lights that seemed to be alternating through different color ranges but it was predominantly a red or reddish-orange hue to it. I said ‘let’s just get the heck out of here’ and turned around and left. And we took off at a run and went back to our vehicle.

After that Halt returns to the forest where he and his team carefully approach and then investigate an ‘initial suspected impact point’ at around 01:00 AM, as can be heard on his tape.

LT COLONEL HALT: A hundred and fifty feet or more from the initial, I should say suspected impact point.
(…)
LT COLONEL HALT: OK, we're now approaching an area within about twenty five, thirty feet. What kind of readings are we getting, anything?
SGT NEVELS: Just minor clicks.
LT. COLONEL HALT: Minor clicks?

a reply to: Guest101

Thanks again for the clarification Guest101. Your additions to this thread have been invaluable.

For those interested full text of the Voyager Newsletter referred to earlier in the thread is linked below. Although please note it is now nearly 20 years old.

Link : Voyager Newsletter v15 (concerning Rendlesham)

Another documentary from the distant past that I'd long forgotten.

Sightings with Tim White



Once again we hear that UFOs were tracked on radar by Heathrow Tower. We also hear allegations that "film" as well as audio recordings of the incident were removed and sent to Rammstein in Germany in the days following the incident. MSgt Robert Ball and John Burroughs are interviewed in this segment along with a few words from Chuck de Caro.

Thanks for that, hadn’t seen this one before. Nice to hear a bit more from MSgt Robert Ball. I’ve often read the movements of the lights made him think of a grid search but never found the source.

It reminded me of a theory I once had, based on that ‘grid search’ and the memories of Adrian Bustinza and Larry Warren about parts that were collected at the electronics department and handed over to the occupants of the craft.

They could simply be parts from the craft found in the forest after night one, and the owners returned to look for them on night 2 and 3 (hence the grid search), which ended in a landing to reclaim them from the soldiers in the forest (where an officer handed them over to the alien beings).

That would be something worthy of a cover up… And if it never happened, it’s still a nice plot for the Hollywood version or a new spectacular book on the incident ;-)

a reply to: Guest101

That would be something worthy of a cover up… And if it never happened, it’s still a nice plot for the Hollywood version or a new spectacular book on the incident ;-)

I guess one day it will be a Hollywood movie and the truth will be lost forever then!

Speaking of books. Peter Robbins has released Halt in Woodbridge: An Air Force Colonel's Thirty-Year Fight To Silence An Authentic UFO Whistle-Blower. It's only a few pounds on Kindle and around a tenner in paperback. Robbins basically defends both himself and Larry Warren from the recent attacks by Charles Halt on both their characters and Warren's description of events in the book "Left At East Gate".

To some it may seem a bitter feud that Robbins would be better staying silent on after his equally biting appraisal of Pope, Penniston and Burroughs book "Encounter in Rendlesham Forest" in his "Deliberate Deception" free e-zines. But to Peter Robbins he cannot sit on the sidelines and "let it be".

This is not a book for anyone who has not followed the Rendlesham saga in detail. If you have not read "Left at East Gate" or watched Colonel Halt's recent presentation in Woodbridge this summer you will struggle to understand why Robbins wrote it. But Robbins felt it necessary to protect both his and Warren's integrity and he backs it all up with his own evidence to leave Colonel Halt looking rather bitter and twisted.

a reply to: mirageman
The man receives a message and no one bothered deciphering it.
And I don't mean the numbers.

originally posted by: mirageman

I guess one day it will be a Hollywood movie and the truth will be lost forever then!

I think the truth will finally come out once we travel back in time to find out what really happened there … Hopefully we can still use the Woodbridge coo’dinates of one of those old digital maps by then

But on the bright side, all witnesses seem to agree on the fact that lights were flying around in and above the forest without making any sound, and seemingly making deliberate, controlled manoeuvres. Even civilian witnesses saw those lights. And to this day nobody has been able to explain what they were.