Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: ctj83

Looking at what was going on here in the UK at the time the story broke, I'm inclined to think that the misdirection could very well have been delivered by the UK and it probably, if they also had anything to hide, really dropped the US in it.

Hypothetically speaking, if the News of the World, to coincide with Tory Party conference, had got hold of a story that implicated the soon to be appointed chairman of the National Children's Home in the rape of a 9 year old boy, they, when asking for official comment from the government, may have been offered something juicier, or at least a little more sensational including quotes from high up officials backing the UFO story.

bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com...

Would the News of the World/Derek Jameson cover for paedophiles? Someone or multiples there of, certainly was and they clearly had friends in powerful places, why not at the NoftW.

Hmmm...I remember when I first joined here, another member made some comment about Lakenheath and paedophilia, I wonder if I can dig that up.

I didn't expect to end up here, here

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Yes, I always found it odd how Colm Kelleher who penned Brain Trust: The Hidden Connection Between Mad Cow and Misdiagnosed Alzheimer's Disease" then moved to write the Skinwalker book with Knapp...

Just other cases of other animals don't get reported...

Now imagine if you could hold a ball of plasma the size of an apple in your hand and push it into the face of a cow....what the aftermath would be.. very much similar to all the other documented cases..laser cut, vaporized soft tissue, evaporated blood etc or if you could manifest or direct these plasma's to start/appear in peoples/animals bodies & brains; may explain some of the MRI scans and the white holes we see in them, how they manifest or are created or directed, I don't know, If i did, I wouldn't be on these forums lol.

As far as the "samples" are concerned and I am no physicist, could they be the after effect of something materializing / manifesting and the radiation effect these things have on the local atmosphere and basic elements that fuse together certain elements that creates these "ejecta / materials".

or Baa..

being from the future?
The only way I can even possibly think you could prove something like that, would be if the radioactive half life / signature was way off what we currently understand and hinted that they were massively different that what would be expected and it could not be explained..in regards to the materials...

I'm having a "Thinking out loud" day today...

Normal programming will resume

originally posted by: pigsy2400

Now imagine if you could hold a ball of plasma the size of an apple in your hand and push it into the face of a cow....what the aftermath would be.. very much similar to all the other documented cases..laser cut, vaporized soft tissue, evaporated blood etc or if you could manifest or direct these plasma's to start/appear in peoples/animals bodies & brains; may explain some of the MRI scans and the white holes we see in them, how they manifest or are created or directed, I don't know, If i did, I wouldn't be on these forums lol.

I'm too busy imagining what would happen if you infected a cow with a bunch of anaerobic organisms that had been pushed to the point of iron starvation.

The proclivities of the British establishment aside, except as a background to understanding how the system works when key players can be owned when you have the facility in place to entrap and blackmail...you help us out, we get you out of this criminal charge...the way in which the story broke doesn't fit my little imagined scenario. But it was picked up by all the major newspapers, even if it was to largely pooh-pooh it, so it did provide distraction from whatever else was going on, but also utilising the widely perceived image of what a UFO was believed to be, it provided a distraction from what, if anything, was perhaps just some weird lights in conjunction with the over active imaginings of strangers in a strange land. The whole thing snowballs from there.

And I'm really back to square one with nada.

Hello tail.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Much as my suspicions are that there really is a huge global cover-up involving people in very powerful places I suspect there was no actual need to bury news of that or any sort that day. It was simply the culmination of events leading up to the story being printed and the News of the World wanted to be first to press as other papers like the Daily Mirror were also trying to get details.

Jenny Randles says that Barry Greenwood provided here with a copy of "the Halt memo". This was presented at a BUFORA conference in 1983 where an incognito journalist was amongst the attendees. Harry Harris (a British lawyer interested in the case) advised it was probably best to go public with it. He and Jenny negotiated with the News of the World in September of 1983. On October 2nd the News of the World ran with the story "UFO Lands in Suffolk and That's Official". I remember it well as I was involved in the news print industry at the time.

a reply to: mirageman

That's an excellent summary of pretty much what I read here...

sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com...

Yeah

But, since you're here, I was reading this...

WASHINGTON, Feb. 27 (UPI)–The Air Force has sent its commands a warning to treat sightings of unidentified flying objects as "serious business" directly related to the nation's defense, it was learned today.

An Air Force spokesman confirmed issuance of the directive after portions of it were made public by a private "flying saucer" group.

The new regulations were issued by the Air Force inspector general Dec. 24.

The regulations, revising similar ones issued in the past, outlined procedures and said that "investigations and analysis of UFO's are directly related to the Air Force's responsibility for the defense of the United States."

Committee Reveals Document

Existence of the document was revealed by the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.

The privately financed committee accused the Air Force of deception in publicly describing reports of unidentified flying objects as delusions and hoaxes while sending the private admonition to its commands.

Vice Admiral R. H. Hillenkoetter (Ret.), a committee board member and former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, said in a statement that a copy of the inspector general's warning had been sent to the Senate Science and Astronautics Committee.

"It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings," he said."

The Air Force confirmed that the document had been issued. A spokesman said it was put out by Maj. Gen. Richard E. O'Keefe, acting inspector general at the time, to call attention to revised Air Force regulations concerning unidentified flying objects.

The statement was included in an "operations and training" pamphlet circulated at intervals to bring commands up to date.

Pentagon aides said the new regulations covering seven printed pages, made no substantive change in policy but had been rewritten as a matter of course.The Air Force has investigated 6,132 reports of flying objects since 1947, including 183 in the last six months of 1959. The latest Air Force statement, issued a month ago said, "no physical or material evidence, not even a minute fragment of a so-called flying saucer, has ever been found."

Admiral Hillenkoetter said that "behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFO's."

"But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense," the retired admiral said. He charged that "to hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel" through the issuance of a regulation.

www.wanttoknow.info...

And I thought, wow, that's the same spiel the TTSA are coming out with. It's like a time warp. 68 years on and they're running the same narrative, practically verbatim. That's kind of astonishing...particularly since we now know that period in particular co-incides with Project Mogul and later the bio-weapons programme.

If a biological agent was released, both the UK and the US have a history of testing on the unwitting public, could've been either or both, binding them together in the UFO narrative.

I also noted that the term "phenomenon" was the official lingo back then too.

I can't find the original NY Times article (though I haven't tried all that hard), perhaps it's a hoax. Seems odd.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Yes Sacha has been very helpful in uncovering some of the aspects of the RFI. Both Sacha and Jenny participated in this thread in the past and added some very interesting takes on the case.

The New York Times Article was called Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program. In some respects it's like the late 50s and the late 80s all over again. That thirty year cycle being rinsed and repeated but updated for a new audience.

And yes the UK and US have tested biological warfare on their own people. They were doing it as late as 1979 (perhaps beyond)

See : The Guardian Online

a reply to: mirageman

No, sorry, I meant the NY Times article that I posted from February 1960. I have found it on the NYT website, which I cannot link to because the link is massive...but the link I previously linked has a link.

Sorry again for the confusion...it was all mine.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Oh I see

You can reduce links to manageable size by using the Tiny URL if that's of any help.

Show time folks. John Burroughs versus Nick Pope.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Oh I see

You can reduce links to manageable size by using the Tiny URL if that's of any help.

That would be of help, thank you. Bookmarked for future reference.

Also, apologies again, I just came across the following, if incomplete transcription of the analysis document that you posted on the previous page. I was wrong, it says that the material that they claimed was from Rendlesham did contain something that was "very unusual".

www.reddit.com...

However since there is no provenance to the sample, that doesn't really tell us much at all about anything.

Either way, I was wrong. Less haste, more speed.

I found the following interesting considering what information the files may actually contain before redaction.

How was this missed by the establishment?

(Black Projects, UFOs and the mysterious MO D-Notice Posted on June 16, 2018)
In his UK Restricted minute ‘Wrap Up of UAP Material’ dated 22 March 2000 the report’s author – a retired RAF scientist – refers to a collection of slides and photographs that he consulted in the MoD’s archive. The UK Restricted memo that refers to a D-Notice issued in the 1990s on the Astra/Aurora project (Copyright: Dr david Clarke)

These contained images of the ‘ASTRA/AURORA‘ project – a top secret, hypersonic Cold War spyplane. The author goes on to note ‘there was a Press D-Notice issued at the time‘. This is the first solid evidence to emerge that refers to the involvement of the former D-Notice committee in the Aurora saga. (Copyright Dr.David Clarke)

I also found the following link involving Rectenna.

The microwaves transmitted from a satellite, or in our case a station on the moon, would be received by a large array of rectennas. The received microwave frequencies are in a range from 2-18 GHz. The diodes would be used to absorb and convert the high power frequencies into low frequency DC power. This DC power is then collected by a DC voltmeter. There have been many experiments in which the RF-DC conversion efficiency was above 85%. The efficiency of the RF-DC conversion depends on the amount of power input and connected load. If the input and the connected load are not at their optimum, then the efficiency drops dramatically. The SHARP (Stationary High Altitude Relay Platform) was an airplane with a receiving rectenna on its tail end. This rectenna received transmitted microwave energy to power the airplane. Brown was present to witness its first flight. It would have the ability to fly 21 kilometers up in the air, and its transmitted signals would reach a diameter of 600 kilometers. With the power transmitted from a large array on the ground, the SHARP would be able to fly for many months. The airplane was designed to be used for relaying telecommunications, surveying, and monitoring.

mainland.cctt.org...

Could the combination of these items contribute to a Secret Spy Plane that can be powered from the ground?

Maybe this is what gives rise to the various delta type of craft seen in the area for a number of years?

a reply to: AdamE

This is why I kept posting about Astra last month. It’s been confirmed as real. It ties together what may have happened at many 80s / 90s events and shows that some events were covered up.

Oddly, something you can find Clarke denying on his blog a few years ago, that there was any coercion to prevent things appearing in the media, is something that he’s now dug up evidence on.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: AdamE

This is why I kept posting about Astra last month. It’s been confirmed as real. It ties together what may have happened at many 80s / 90s events and shows that some events were covered up.

Oddly, something you can find Clarke denying on his blog a few years ago, that there was any coercion to prevent things appearing in the media, is something that he’s now dug up evidence on.

Could just be a case of seeing is believing?

The files that were admitted to along with the 3 that were held back only came about by a secretary slip of the tongue during a conversation John had while on the phone. Otherwise, they may have never seen the light of day.

Now if we look at what Dr. Green says on the Grant Cameron tape...

(Dr. Green) "Interested in the showing of quantum connectivity can be measured between 2 proven confident telepaths can be measured with simultaneity in terms of the portions of the brains activated...... that is now possible to do"

It may have been seen as a large gulf between these two aspects in the past, but not when considering the military applications that can stem from such research, which we know was being studied by the gentleman we see involved today.

a reply to: AdamE

I'll venture a theory. Hal Puthoff proposes that the Condign radiation is in fact a Terahertz, Millimetre and Gamma ray beam. Could such a laser be used to create entanglement?

To enable a quantum network between the men and "it"?

Has a cow (or squirrel) ever been shot with this type of device? Or do they just use it on humans?

a reply to: ctj83

That's a good point actually. All this 'consciousness' talk is a trendy subject - lots of new age people and ufologists are getting down with it as the secret to life, the universe and everything. All about communicating with the 'aliens' though. We are all connected in a massive oneness. It's also very good for producing stories about alien contact that no one else can actually verify.



Why don't they get a chimpanzee to talk in someone's head and think something while chomping on a banana? It would be more 'scientific' than trying to talk to aliens who may not really be there. Does it have to be aliens?
How do you even communicate with 'aliens' anyway? A common language and references are required before you can even start.


a reply to: AdamE

(Dr. Green) "Interested in the showing of quantum connectivity can be measured between 2 proven confident telepaths can be measured with simultaneity in terms of the portions of the brains activated...... that is now possible to do"

I would like to know what "proven confident telepaths' are. So far there are studies that show a rudimentary form of telepathy is possible synthetically with the aid of electronics. So are these people just those trained to use the technology? Or is that implying they don't need technology and are really telepathic? Can you hear what I'm thinking?

See : www.psychologytoday.com...

a reply to: mirageman

Mirage, you are SO far behind my friend.

They communicate in binary.

They all know ASCII.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: AdamE

I'll venture a theory. Hal Puthoff proposes that the Condign radiation is in fact a Terahertz, Millimetre and Gamma ray beam. Could such a laser be used to create entanglement?

To enable a quantum network between the men and "it"?

Has a cow (or squirrel) ever been shot with this type of device? Or do they just use it on humans?

In reference to THz and Gamma, the following is the path that keeps tapping me on the shoulder.

However, recent advances in THz generation from a plasma in air have yielded pulses with spectra ranging from THz frequencies all the way to the mid-IR region [66–70]. With this method, there are no strong absorptions that limit the spectral bandwidth, since the generation scheme relies on tunnel ionization where liberated electrons are accelerated in the laser field [66,71,72]. In this method, a femtosecond laser pulse is mixed with its second harmonic to introduce an asymmetry in the pumping electric field which subsequently generates a local non-linear current in the plasma that radiates an ultrashort THz pulse. Recent work has shown that THz generation efficiency is strongly dependent on the wavelength of the fundamental of the pump pulse, where longer wavelengths lead to enhanced THz generation through a similar principle to ponderomotive energy scaling in laser fields

www.researchgate.net...

Would any of this had been used in such a manner in 1980, to study plasma in the area?

Then I have the following....

Gamma rays were proposed in 1985 as ....

Military Applications of Gamma-Ray Lasers We foresee two classes of missions for the military application of gamma-ray lasers:
(1) nondestructive interrogation of enemy satellites to determine what is inside, and
(2) destruction of enemy satellites in orbit and ICSMs after launch.

For those military applications, gamma-ray lasers are superior to other proposed systems such as
(1) optical wavelength laser weapons,
(2) particle beam weapons, and
(3) x-ray laser weapons. The gamma-ray laser will penetrate materials more effectively than optical lasers and x-ray lasers.

pdfs.semanticscholar.org...

I will get back to you on the entanglement issue.

More on the topic of testing on human subjects:

The US Department of Energy (DoE) has been running a series of Human Subject Research Projects recently. Legislation was passed in 2016 and the DoE is now legally obliged to publish this list. The details are sparse with only the project name, number of participants, dates and risk factor published.



But some of the titles make you wonder what- "Moose Drool", "Geovisor" and "SPECIAL" could entail.
The DoE has facilities in many places like Sandia National Laboratories & Oak Ridge National Laboratory

See : fas.org...

It's not proof of much other than testing on human subjects is ongoing and slightly more transparent than it was back in the day.

a reply to: mirageman

I'm sorry for the off topic since I don't want to derail the topic, but this link may (or may not) be an interesting read for some of you here.

blogs.discovermagazine.com...