Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kev, Burroughs has stated he knows that what they encountered has been weaponized by the US military but can't disclose due to ndas, he pretty much stated exactly that.

I will find the audio clip and post it...

The interesting thing about his statement though is it infers he knows what that weapon is and therefore should have a good idea what the RFI actually was, he has repeatedly stated that he still doesn't know what it was and in recent years has moved himself further away from the whole Alien concept, this is quite telling in itself

I have to agree with you regarding Burroughs, he is the most believable and credible.

RFI was a live fire drill for a secret military THz based weapon on military personnel to see how a military force would respond. How else would you know how an opposing force would react unless you tested it on military personnel in the first instance. Along the way they attracted something or maybe an intended side effect because of the THZ.

Funny also how no-one mentions the date...enough ramblings for now..

a reply to: pigsy2400

I'm open to a two-factor explanation.. experimental tech+
BOL attracted.

That "dripping metal" symptom is so unique to BOL, nothing
else in the world acts like that.

I consider that to be close to irrefutable.

But for BOL to be so "generous with their appearance in the
same locations" over such a short period of time... MIGHT
indicate some sort of "bait", whether intentional or accidental.

Kev

Now if John saw something of human tech, seemingly attract
a "BOL", I wish he would just say so.. it would break this
wide open, and would not necessarily break any NDA.

a reply to: pigsy2400

If memory recalls, it was described as a plasma weapon.

Once I have located the specific instance, I will post.

It was recent, so should only take a few hours.

Unless someone can point in the right direction first?

And may I say, a very good summary on the use of Thz.

a reply to: AdamE

Kev, Adam,

I honestly do think that it the plasma weapon aspect and the BOL are one and the same. Either the weapons test on the military personnel created the BOL or conditions in the area contributed to this and created the BOL.

Specifically other research has indicated that BOL can slowly descend and interestingly BOL that is view that is Bluish in colour lasts longest from other observed BOL. Blue being the colour that some of the witnesses claimed were the colours of the BOL / UAP.

Wasnt there some damage to the fence at RFI that had to be replaced? I wonder if the plasma attached itself to the fence (being metal and all) which is what caused the damage to the fence in the first place?

Also, the witnesses claimed of feeling "static in the air" and Halt himself stated that he saw "sparks" coming down from one of the balls of light before it "exploded", typical BOL in my opinion after looking deeper into BOL.

I am not one easily swayed by other peoples opinions etc, but I have to give props to both of you. After doing some digging into BOL and some of the military aspects and certain things that people like Burroughs have said over the years, I have got further and further away from anything remotely Alienesque in terms of what happened that night.

Even the accounts of drugs being administered to some of the personell in a rather horrific sounding debrief ( if true ) would align and make sense after a weapons test. My logical but open mind has drifted so far away from anything "Alien" in regards to Rendlesham that it just cant be Alien anymore when looking at logic and other facts that we know and can verify.

Quite simply (haha yeah right) RFI could have been a Top Secret Classified Military Terrahertz Plasma based weapons test on military personnel to measure the effectiveness of said weapon, a field test! With it being THz based, its radiation and its applications being in the EMF spectrum for imaging (was it a imaging platform instead of a weapon?), this in turn could have purposely//accidentally created Plasma balls of light / ball lighting for longer duration's than occurs naturally, whether the BOL was anticipated or not, I don't know. The THz radiation exposure to personnel would have created the injuries to people like Burroughs that it did (why only him? I dont know)

The debrief regarding use of drugs, could have been used to hide the highly classified nature of the program and gather useful intelligence on its effectiveness in the field test.

The whole alien aspect of it, disinformation to hide the weapons being used and for people to just shrug off the whole thing. Lets not forget, that if it had been widely known that there were nuclear weapons being stored there, that would have created an international incident, let alone the testing of a experimental weapon on foreign soil.

This could also explain why certain materials, evidence gathered was removed // went missing. Also may be why the head of the USAF in Europe( I think please correct me if I'm wrong, but I am sure there was a top military guy who visited the base very shortly afterwards, his name and rank escapes me ) this could have been to close the subject, gather the measurements of the test, or the test could have been originally unscheduled and carried out without permission from the higher ups and they weren't too happy about it when they heard what had happened etc etc.

Can we close the thread now

a reply to: pigsy2400

Can we close the thread now

There will an the answer...Let it Be!

There is an MoD paper trail that leads right back to General Gabriel (who at the time was the USAFE Commander in Chief and in charge of the Allied NATO Air Forces in Germany). He'd also visited the twin bases late in 1980.

A key point is....

....tape recorders of the evidence had been handed to General Gabriel who happened to be visiting the station..."

Ian Ridpath assumed that Gabriel removed Halt's tape way back about 4 years ago in the thread. I beg to differ. I believe that the memo crucially states 'tape recorders'. Not cassette tape. It could be a typo (Halt was prone to them too when it came to dates on official memos). But it's plural and says recorders not recordings. So he may have removed equipment AND tapes of the command net recording of the radio comms that night.



loose minute memo" from RAF Sqd. Ldr Badcock date 16th Feb 1981 sent to DS8 (UK MoD).

Did the RAF ever receive copies of the recordings?

a reply to: mirageman

It's those little "oops" such as "recorders" that fuel quite interesting speculation.

There could have been all manner of data recorders of various types involved
that were handed over.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman

It's those little "oops" such as "recorders" that fuel quite interesting speculation.

There could have been all manner of data recorders of various types involved
that were handed over.

Kev

It could be a typo though, I thought that was one of the explanations for Halt having a Dictaphone/tape recorder/cassette recorder on him at all times; the explanation being that he wasn't very fast/good/just hated/ at typing and he used to record his voice for any memos and letters that needed sending, then pass them to his sectary who would then type what he had recorded onto official letters etc.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I've been too "embarrassed" to reveal all the details of my own "BTUFO"
close encounter of the third kind, until last night.

I did so, because I was asked nicely, and it was time.. I have healed
from the encounter now, and I wish to have science advanced, by
providing every little clue that I can.

I too felt a "static field" in the air:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I haven't "practiced" in any way, since the incident, to allow my body and
psyche to heal.. and frankly, my personality has changed quite a lot since
that time.. I have come to appreciate science a bit more than "mysticism"
in the intervening year, but I still appreciate the value of both, when
both are done correctly.

I really believe that there is one explanation for most everything unusual,
and RFI was only slightly different, as it's entirely possible that some
manner of "summoning weapon" or simply a "weapon weapon" was
tested, but it also resulted in "summoning".

I'm not saying that it was necessarily an intelligent BOL, should such
a thing exist.

I really don't know what the #%#@#^#$^#^ hell precisely I encountered,
other than it had characteristics very similar to RFI in some ways.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Don't be embarrassed Kev, firstly your in good company and what I like about your analysis of even your own experiences and others is their/your own bias. If your a Christian it's an angel/jesus, if your a Ufo nut, it's aliens etc.

It's your questioning of even yourself and self review almost and being able to look outside your own eyes/brain that makes you an interesting character to Converse with and to discuss these subject matters with.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

I consider self review to be a basic tool of human adulthood that is sadly lacking in a high percentage of people.

Saying "i dont know" but wanting to know, and the willingness to discard bad thinking...that is also a basic skill that is often sadly lacking.

I think that its entirely possible that we might, in broad brush strokes at least, "solve" both the UAP phenomenon and deception (UFOlogy).

The "paranormal" will soon follow.

Might not be in my lifetime, but we are hot on the trail.

Kev

a reply to: ctj83

Very interesting. Maybe more of an extension of mk-ultra and/or cult building exercises then? There are a few different programs and even one cointelpro op that have had some of our cast of characters involved. You've just given me a new line of pursuit...if it checks out any I'll report.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I applaud you for sharing that Kev. Many wouldn’t and it’s a fascinating insight into your experiences. You’re likely far closer to getting to the core of this phenomena than almost anyone.

originally posted by: pigsy2400

Can we close the thread now

From my viewpoint that's probably pretty close. Did they throw in a security testing aspect? I know from my research that these projects are usually designed to achieve multiple objectives.

a reply to: ctj83

Tell that to the people who could help fund the required last 20%
of my research that will never get done unless it's funded and thoroughly
tested.

But thank so much for the vote of confidence.

Sometimes people get really close to the finish line and never make it..
right in sight of the "promised land".

but hopefully younger, smarter and more well-funded people will
take what meager clues I've gathered and make a difference
someday.

Thank you sir,

Kevin

a reply to: The GUT

Due to the BRILLIANT and unparalleled work of Andrew Pike, we are very close.

but it does seem likely that some military project attracted those BOL.

(the dripping metal thing is so compelling.. and BOL are nearly the only
thing that does that.. unless you want to posit a crashed bit of tech
that was very hot and "melting". But that doesn't work for 3 night
explanation).

We could really use your expertise, to help sniff out the weapons angle..
and/or the mind control angle.. there may well have been multiple
objectives to the (likely) test.

Apparently the US never planned to rent that base forever.. it needed
to get it's money's worth with the time it had to experiment on
British soil!

a reply to: The GUT

I beleive so...

a reply to: pigsy2400

I am very happy with your very detailed explanation for events in 1980.

It answers my many questions as to the nature of the events, down to the details that have been bothering me for a while.

You have answered the very path I started on.

The question of 'Human Cause Potential' for the events surrounding the RFI 1980.

I thank you.

I don't usually throw random things into the thread. But I just don't have the time to look into this in detail.

Nick Cook's book "The Hunt for Zero Point" makes a number of mentions to a project called Shiva Star.

Shiva Star was also used to develop an experimental weapon known as MARAUDER for the SDI effort between 1989 and 1995. The idea appears to have been to create compact toroids of high-density plasma that would be ejected from the device using a massive magnetic pulse....

Shiva Star was capable of generating and holding up to 10 megajoules of electrical energy and a potential 10 trillion watts—three times as much as the entire U.S. electricity grid carried in a year. At the time that I visited Shiva, which was located within the USAF's directed energy research laboratory at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico, program engineers had been readying to fire a plasma bullet sometime in 1995.

The purpose of the bullet was to destroy incoming Russian nuclear warheads and, despite some fierce technological challenges, the program engineers were confident they could do it. But several years later, when I returned to Kirtland, it was like the plasma bullet project never existed. Engineers had difficulty even recalling it.

Officially, it had been terminated on cost grounds. But this made little sense. The program had been budgeted at $3.6 million per year for five years. Eighteen million bucks to produce a true quantum leap weapon system. Few people I spoke to bought the official version. Somewhere along the way, they said, Shiva must have delivered. Somewhere along the line, the program had gone black...

...Shiva Star, the 250-ton capacitor I'd seen at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico in 1992, had had a task to fire a plasma bullet at 10,000 km per second. And then, just a few years later, when I returned to Kirtland, it was like the program never existed.

Nick Cook - "The Hunt for Zero Point"

At first glance it all seems to have been developed too late for 1980. But the Shiva project seems to have its roots going way back to Building 322 at Kirtland Air Force Base in the 1970s.

Anyone able to follow the trail in more detail and either expand on or kill this trail?

a reply to: mirageman

Was this a follow on from the shiva laser and later nova laser that was completed in the late 70s?

a reply to: mirageman

I wonder if it got moved to the blind spot above the southern polar region.

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I didn't know that there was a southern polar religion "blind spot"
I don't even know what that means in terms of science.
Maybe it's not even accurate.

Don't ask me where I got the info.. I seem to be back in 2013 today..
all this talk in the other thread has me in a liminlal state of mind.
I feel like I might pass out.

Kev