Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Defragmentor

Very interesting thoughts.

But let's step back a little for those who don't know what this conversation is all about. 'Cookie' was the nickname for a young female military truck driver working in 'supplies' at the twin bases. The basics of her story are that she drove the witnesses back to the motor pool at Bentwaters, including Colonel Halt, and they were checked over by a 'medical man' in a white coat for any damage to their eyes and for something like sunburn on their face and hands. The story is a lot more complex than that brief synopsis by the way.

You can hear her tell the story here KGRA radio archive and look for "RAF Bentwaters Witnesses go on the Record". You will have to skip to about half way through.

A further interview is given here. the title of which is "Ronnie Dugdale & Rendlesham Witness, Cookie". Again Cookie speaks in the 2nd half of the show.

If we take these stories on face value than it appears some form of synthetic telepathy was being tested. Also suggestive that the men were exposed to something that needed to be checked out immediately after they came back.

We have no proof of this beyond the anecdotal of course. But synthetic telepathy is supposedly something linked to the Marconi Death Conspiracy back in the 1980s.

a reply to: mirageman

We have no proof of this beyond the anecdotal of course. But synthetic telepathy is supposedly something linked to the Marconi Death Conspiracy back in the 1980s.

John Burroughs has brought up Marconi on a number of occasions. It was also seemingly a feature in the David Rochon material.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Defragmentor

Very interesting thoughts.

But let's step back a little for those who don't know what this conversation is all about. 'Cookie' was the nickname for a young female military truck driver working in 'supplies' at the twin bases. The basics of her story are that she drove the witnesses back to the motor pool at Bentwaters, including Colonel Halt, and they were checked over by a 'medical man' in a white coat for any damage to their eyes and for something like sunburn on their face and hands. The story is a lot more complex than that brief synopsis by the way.

You can hear her tell the story here KGRA radio archive and look for "RAF Bentwaters Witnesses go on the Record". You will have to skip to about half way through.

A further interview is given here. the title of which is "Ronnie Dugdale & Rendlesham Witness, Cookie". Again Cookie speaks in the 2nd half of the show.

If we take these stories on face value than it appears some form of synthetic telepathy was being tested. Also suggestive that the men were exposed to something that needed to be checked out immediately after they came back.

We have no proof of this beyond the anecdotal of course. But synthetic telepathy is supposedly something linked to the Marconi Death Conspiracy back in the 1980s.

Hope you dont mind me adding this.....
Interesting blog post:
Patent Links
Synthetic Telepathy Patent 6587729 “Apparatus for audibly communicating speech using the radio frequency hearing effect” Flanagan, GP “Nervous System Excitation Device” 7/16/68 Puharich, HK and Lawrence, JL “Hearing Systems” 12/21/71 Malech, RG “Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brainwaves” 4/20/76 Stocklin, PL “Hearing Device” 8/22/89 Brunkan, WB “Hearing System” 10/31/89 Mardirossian, A “Communication system and method including brainwave analysis and/or use of brain activity” 1/4/00

The term C4ISR is a perfect descriptor for Artificial Telepathy — a powerful fusion of signal processing technologies that allows technicians to remotely gather and collect human intelligence (HUMINT) from the brain signals (SIGINT) of other human beings. As with C4ISR, Artificial Telepathy automates “signals collection” (eavesdropping) and “intelligence analysis” (figuring out what people intend to do) by utilizing satellites and computers, and the overall goal is military command and control. Indeed, one might define Artificial Telepathy as a subset of C4ISR with a special focus on neurology, psychology and mind control. Artificial Telepathy is an exotic form of C4ISR that allows warriors to communicate nonvocally with soldiers in the field, enables spies and intelligence agents to perform reconnaissance and surveillance nonlocally by means of “remote viewing,” and allows military officers to command and control the behavior of human minds at a distance, with the artificial aid of carefully networked satellite and computer technology. Booz Allen Hamilton certainly has close ties to the contractors who worked on the Pentagon’s “Stargate” program for psychic spying in the 1990s, and it took a lead role in development of the NSA’s “Total Information Awareness” projects.

There is also this PSYCHOENERGETICS RESEARCH document describing the Grill Flame program and its various applications in a military environment.

On PDF pg 7
It's (the program) unique characteristic would be the ability to collect data from sources inaccessible to other data-collection systems. This would include describing the inside of buildings and underground installations, locating individuals, finding weapon systems.

There is an interesting diagram that could, imo, be an example on what may have been happening on some of those December nights/mornings. (PDF pg 8)

www.cia.gov...

There is a fair bit to go through so please read at your leisure. I just don't have the time right now to highlight some sections.

a reply to: AdamE

Thanks for the link and I will certainly have look through that document.

a reply to: ctj83

I wonder if the RFI should be broken into two events - the Bentwaters Events, and the attempt to utilise those exposed to the phenomena.

Interesting comment Ctj83. Am trying to understand were you might be going with this one.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

Thanks for the link and I will certainly have look through that document.

My pleasure mirageman.

Now, this link is a fair summary of SDI from a 1985 New Scientist article titled The Anatomy of Star Wars, as both the last document and this were also part of Ballistic Missile Early Warning measures.

Quite a bit of info on the state of play by 1985.

Again, this is what is allowed to be presented to the public.

A lot to quote from too, as in the last document.

I will be doing so, with added comments when I get some time tomorrow.

Enjoy your day.

books.google.co.uk... fGU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN0MCmpvrXAhVCF8AKHQaMDhAQ6AEISjAK#v=onepage&q=Advanced%20Warning%20System%20SDI&f=false

a reply to: AdamE

In the earlier document you posted there are hints about the target selection, the use of binary code and even how natural occurring effects like lightning, solar flares and EM storms may enhance RV capabilities in the Grill Flame project. However I suspect that if there is any link between RFI, remote viewing and the SDI program then ctj83 is probably correct and that :

....RFI should be broken into two events - the Bentwaters Events, and the attempt to utilise those exposed to the phenomena.

If that is true then we are into almost sci-fi territory explored by the story "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale". Some people may get total recoil after reading through it.


Oh and by the way Adam did you get to hear the Richard Doty interview on KGRA radio? Link

If you get a chance to scrutinize it I'd be interested to read your evaluation of it all.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

In the earlier document you posted there are hints about the target selection, the use of binary code and even how natural occurring effects like lightning, solar flares and EM storms may enhance RV capabilities in the Grill Flame project.
However I suspect that if there is any link between RFI, remote viewing and the SDI program then ctj83 is probably correct and that :

....RFI should be broken into two events - the Bentwaters Events, and the attempt to utilise those exposed to the phenomena.

I understand ctj83 stance, though imo they also bare an intrinsic value.

(ie) INSCOM, DIA, Scientific and Technical Intelligence (S&TI)

Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT)

Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT) is scientific and technical intelligence information obtained by quantitative and qualitative analysis of data (metric, angle, spatial, wavelength, time dependence, modulation, plasma, and hydromagnetic) derived from specific technical sensors for the purpose of identifying any distinctive features associated with the source, emitter, or sender and to facilitate subsequent identification and/or measurement of the same.

MASINT includes:
Radar Intelligence (RADINT)
Acoustic Intelligence (ACOUSTINT)
Nuclear Intelligence (NUCINT)
Radio Frequency/Electromagnetic Pulse Intelligence (RF/EMPINT)
Electro-optical Intelligence (ELECTRO-OPTINT)
Laser Intelligence (LASINT)
Materials Intelligence
Unintentional Radiation Intelligence (RINT)
Chemical and Biological Intelligence (CBINT)
Directed Energy Weapons Intelligence (DEWINT)
Effluent/Debris Collection
Spectroscopic Intelligence
Infrared Intelligence (IRINT)

fas.org...

(I have not shared the link for the next quote, due to the sensitive nature of the link.)
SAP compartments

"Special Access Programs (SAPs) are created to control access, distribution, and protection of particularly sensitive information. Each SAP is identified by a nickname which consists of two unassociated, unclassified words. Additionally, a Special Access Program Central Office (SAPCO) can also assign a single classified codeword to the program. These can be changed regularly. The nickname and the codeword can be abbreviated into an unclassified two or three-letter Program Identifier (PID).

"There are over 100 SAPs, with many having numerous compartments and sub-compartments.

More than 50 SAPs protect operations and capabilities of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). Many others are for military procurement, acquisition, and testing programs.

The existence of a SAP can be acknowledged or unacknowledged.*

Most SAPs protect military operational, tactical and strategical programs, but SAPs may also be created by the Secretaries of State, Energy, Homeland Security and the Attorney General r their principal deputies."

As we know, INSCOM, DIA were also heading up Grill Flame during the period of RFI.

Also imo, the MASINT fits with our previous discussions regarding 'Human cause Potential'.

a reply to: AdamE

Did you listen to Doty Adam? I too would like to hear your thoughts if you did? I found the Doty element peculiar.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: AdamE

Did you listen to Doty Adam? I too would like to hear your thoughts if you did? I found the Doty element peculiar.

Hi Baablacksheep.

I will be commenting on Rick Doty once I have presented a few more things, as it would seem logical for me right now after the following.

isgp-studies.com...

Col. John Alexander with Ron Pandolfi (picture) both major manipulators of the UFO and New Age community.
In 2008, Pandolfi, formally on the CIA's National Intelligence Council, convened a JASON Group meeting for the Director of National Intelligence.
As Jack Sarfatti, another such manipulator, wrote: "[This] could be used for 'espionage' and breaking quantum cryptography security words. I am an informal 'senior advisor' to Dr. Ron Pandolfi, of Science & Technology Directorate of the CIA and the MASINT (Measurement and Signature Intelligence program).
Indeed, I was Pandolfi's guest at a JASON meeting in La Jolla"
Col. Alexander is a regular guest on Coast to Coast AM with Sarfatti and numerous associates of Pandolfi also visit.
Maybe this is a start in explaining why the the JASONs used Coast to Coast AM as a platform to give out their official history.

JASON is an independent scientific advisory group that provides consulting services to the U.S. government on matters of defense science and technology. It was established in 1960.
JASON typically performs most of its work during an annual summer study, and has conducted studies under contract to the Department of Defense (frequently DARPA and the U.S. Navy), the Department of Energy, the U.S. Intelligence Community, and the FBI.

Approximately half of the resulting JASON reports are unclassified.

OK. Rick Doty. The following correspondences involve Ron, Kit and others discussing and contacting Rick Doty with various questions.

openmindsforum.forumotion.com...


----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: Christopher Green
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 18:17
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this


Rick,

I am not interested in whether you are involved in the UFO enigma and/or working for the CIA, DIA, OSI, or other US intelligence agency. What concerns me is whether you are working for a foreign intelligence service. That has been my sole interest in you from when I first heard your name and it has been the sole focus of my interactions with OSI and FBI concerning your behaviors and whereabouts.

Recently Dr. Green relayed to me a claim attributed to you that two DIA employees had identified John Gannon as the source of the SERPO story and Mr. Anonymous.

As I anticipated the two names you provided to Dr. Green are not those of DIA employees.

The most likely case is that you invented these sources to cover your unauthorized access to sensitive facilities including Los Alamos and SANDIA where you may have attempted to access classified information.


From Ronald Pandolfi Fri Feb 23 21:14:48 2007

Gary,

....In response to your sub question specific to Rick Doty, during the past several years Rick appears to have fabricated many documents and distributed them via fabricated e-mail addresses that implicate senior government (intelligence) persons as the sources. Most often this information comes to my attention via Kit Green who was my mentor for several years and remains a close friend and colleague. If Dan or Caryn provided you with the e-mails I sent to Rick Doty, it should be clear that I repeatedly emphasized I have absolutely no interest in UFOs, SERPO, or any other issues of interest to Rick Doty or Dan Smith. My only concern was with indications that Rick had assumed the names of government officials using forged e-mail accounts to distribute his fabricated stories. In particular, there were implications that Rick had created an e-mail address appearing to originate from John Gannon, another of my former mentors. This caused Kit Green to confront Mr. Gannon with the documents in a manner that must have been both embarrassing and humorous, but also a time consuming burden.

I will review the interview once more.

Mirageman, you made some very valid points in your review of the interview.

If I can add to it further, I will.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

In the earlier document you posted there are hints about the target selection, the use of binary code and even how natural occurring effects like lightning, solar flares and EM storms may enhance RV capabilities in the Grill Flame project. However I suspect that if there is any link between RFI, remote viewing and the SDI program then ctj83 is probably correct and that :

....RFI should be broken into two events - the Bentwaters Events, and the attempt to utilise those exposed to the phenomena.

If that is true then we are into almost sci-fi territory explored by the story "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale". Some people may get total recoil after reading through it.


Oh and by the way Adam did you get to hear the Richard Doty interview on KGRA radio? Link

If you get a chance to scrutinize it I'd be interested to read your evaluation of it all.

I am reposting my reply due to an error on my part when replying earlier.

I understand ctj83 stance, though imo they also bare an intrinsic value.

(ie) INSCOM, DIA, Scientific and Technical Intelligence (S&TI)

Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT)

Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT) is scientific and technical intelligence information obtained by quantitative and qualitative analysis of data (metric, angle, spatial, wavelength, time dependence, modulation, plasma, and hydromagnetic) derived from specific technical sensors for the purpose of identifying any distinctive features associated with the source, emitter, or sender and to facilitate subsequent identification and/or measurement of the same.

MASINT includes:
Radar Intelligence (RADINT)
Acoustic Intelligence (ACOUSTINT)
Nuclear Intelligence (NUCINT)
Radio Frequency/Electromagnetic Pulse Intelligence (RF/EMPINT)
Electro-optical Intelligence (ELECTRO-OPTINT)
Laser Intelligence (LASINT)
Materials Intelligence
Unintentional Radiation Intelligence (RINT)
Chemical and Biological Intelligence (CBINT)
Directed Energy Weapons Intelligence (DEWINT)
Effluent/Debris Collection
Spectroscopic Intelligence
Infrared Intelligence (IRINT)

fas.org...

(I have not shared the link for the next quote, due to the sensitive nature of the link.)
SAP compartments

"Special Access Programs (SAPs) are created to control access, distribution, and protection of particularly sensitive information. Each SAP is identified by a nickname which consists of two unassociated, unclassified words. Additionally, a Special Access Program Central Office (SAPCO) can also assign a single classified codeword to the program. These can be changed regularly. The nickname and the codeword can be abbreviated into an unclassified two or three-letter Program Identifier (PID).

"There are over 100 SAPs, with many having numerous compartments and sub-compartments.

More than 50 SAPs protect operations and capabilities of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). Many others are for military procurement, acquisition, and testing programs.

The existence of a SAP can be acknowledged or unacknowledged.*

Most SAPs protect military operational, tactical and strategical programs, but SAPs may also be created by the Secretaries of State, Energy, Homeland Security and the Attorney General r their principal deputies."

As we know, INSCOM, DIA were also heading up Grill Flame during the period of RFI.

Also imo, the MASINT fits with our previous discussions regarding 'Human cause Potential'.

a reply to: AdamE

Why is the link sensitive Adam?

a reply to: AdamE

So cutting through the paste there, what would you say is directly relevant to the RFI?

a reply to: AdamE

Can you explain the intrinsic value? I'd be curious.


Without some sort of breakthrough, this will be my final post on the current RFI mess. Probably the whole event. I'm not a ufologist and I don't believe in paranormal or ETH phenomena.

So.

I believe that everything related to the RFI post, let's say 1990, is about something else.
My guess is that

- it's a cobbled together remote viewing program, run by unofficial sources, who suspect that the original event gave the core players paranormal powers
- that there are multiple binary codes - used as part of the test, which some players will no longer admit to having codes
- Characters like Rochon, aren't masters of disguising their writing. They are just one of the core players trying to create drama and they simply wrote in their usual style.

If you're looking to understand the control structure of this, these people are not" in the know" or official. They are trying to capitalize on what they believe is behind the curtain. Good luck to them. To find out more start here:

- Look as to who is criticized in this silly drama and who is not. Look at what is focussed on and what is ignored.
- Really listen to John's thoughtful replies on his radio shows, and whose opinions he challenges and who he does not
- Consider the control structure of who Doty was to William Moore, and who those who spread his stories were to him

If I were brutely honest, I'd say part of this "project" is simply to use researchers to do some of the leg work in solving the mystery. Truly the blind leading the blind.

Guessing, I'd say the post RFI drama relates to the idea that Penniston and Burrough's minds are entangled with their
past selves and can transmit binary code to them, at a very low bit rate . A sort of temporal remote viewing. The ultimate intelligence tool.

Total rubbish in my opinion. I consider it fringe science and total bunk but maybe this will help someone in the future.

This thread is awesome
I find this event very intriguing.

I tend to believe that something (military) very, very secret, black world, was being tested. The personnel responding to the event(s) got Bennewitzed.

originally posted by: NutGobbler
This thread is awesome

Very informative and interesting, I would certainly agree.

a reply to: ctj83

Without some sort of breakthrough, this will be my final post on the current RFI mess. Probably the whole event.

I suspect that is a bit of an emotional response. It can be frustrating.
Not sure what kind of breakthrough you would like CTj83?
Its been 37 years and am not sure if it is any nearer to any "breakthrough"?

Who knows what the future shall bring however ?

a reply to: Baablacksheep
And at this point it is very hard to see what kind of breakthrough would be possible, i guess maybe someone on the opposite side of the personnel involved in responding to the event. Though i doubt it would be even possible to verify that someones record in being there.