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superman2012
reply to post by whatsup86
It's in the water because we want it on the teeth. Sure if it gets absorbed into the body it comes out in our saliva but it covers your teeth when you drink water. Plus having it directed into your stomach and released at once instead of being in water to be drank thoughout the day might hurt the stomach or cause a reaction as it isn't diluted nor given throughout a period of time. If it was a small amount it might not be strong enough to make it to the saliva.
This is just my best guess as to why they don't give it out in pills. I don't really know.
Edit: There are facts in the first 3 posts. They are made "real" by them being facts.
edit on 5-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)
whatsup86
superman2012
reply to post by whatsup86
It's in the water because we want it on the teeth. Sure if it gets absorbed into the body it comes out in our saliva but it covers your teeth when you drink water. Plus having it directed into your stomach and released at once instead of being in water to be drank thoughout the day might hurt the stomach or cause a reaction as it isn't diluted nor given throughout a period of time. If it was a small amount it might not be strong enough to make it to the saliva.
This is just my best guess as to why they don't give it out in pills. I don't really know.
Edit: There are facts in the first 3 posts. They are made "real" by them being facts.
edit on 5-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)
If you put a fluoride pill in a glass of water and let it dissolve and then you drink it? Why do I need to explain this... Pills can dissolve in water right? If you then drink it, isnt that exactly 100% the same as drinking tap water with fluoride?
Indeed you dont know but why dont you question it then. Instead you seem to be blind for other peoples evidence and keep on promoting your OP as the only truth.edit on 5-12-2013 by whatsup86 because: (no reason given)
superman2012
whatsup86
superman2012
reply to post by whatsup86
It's in the water because we want it on the teeth. Sure if it gets absorbed into the body it comes out in our saliva but it covers your teeth when you drink water. Plus having it directed into your stomach and released at once instead of being in water to be drank thoughout the day might hurt the stomach or cause a reaction as it isn't diluted nor given throughout a period of time. If it was a small amount it might not be strong enough to make it to the saliva.
This is just my best guess as to why they don't give it out in pills. I don't really know.
Edit: There are facts in the first 3 posts. They are made "real" by them being facts.
edit on 5-12-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)
If you put a fluoride pill in a glass of water and let it dissolve and then you drink it? Why do I need to explain this... Pills can dissolve in water right? If you then drink it, isnt that exactly 100% the same as drinking tap water with fluoride?
Indeed you dont know but why dont you question it then. Instead you seem to be blind for other peoples evidence and keep on promoting your OP as the only truth.edit on 5-12-2013 by whatsup86 because: (no reason given)
Not at all. It could work but it would have to be small concentrations and then why even have it if it dissolves why not just have it in water then? Why not hand out a mouth rinse that way there is no ingestion and only topical rinse?
I do question it and it makes no sense. Until someone (including you) comes up with sufficient evidence that makes sense, why would I consider it? My research and readings lead me to write this thread. You don't think I have heard/read most of the "evidence" the anti-fluoride side states?
Well I dont think it is very hard to devide that daily dose over more than one pill... with dissolving i just mean that the pill or tablet or whatever you think is handy melts in the water, so the fluoride will be there. You can then choose yourself if you want to drink the glass of water with fluoride in it or rinse with it. How can this be hard to get, Im just making this up as an example, you really think it would be hard to make even doses of pills out of fluoride? Do I need to make the pills myself as well before you believe this is pretty easy to make? If you do, thats just plain ignorant excuse me, but it would be.
And I edited: The lack of info on why a government seems to be wasting millions makes a good point for the anti-fluoride side. Because it seems the only reason they do it is because there is a lot of money to be made from selling fluoride to the government. Ever heard of the lobby system? And maybe there are even more dark reasons. Who knows, this is a major point you should be investigating yourself since you are more into this topic than me. Im just pointing out whats wrong with the system of adding fluoride to the water supply.. I use fluoride toothpaste btw, but I can tell when someone is biased and really you are.
Similar groups of children were selected for long-term observation from Newburgh (fluoridated to 1.0 to 1.2 mg/L in 1945) and Kingston (essentially F-free for the duration of the study). Newburgh and Kingston were chosen because they were well-matched: both were situated on the Hudson River about 35 miles apart with similar upland reservoir water supplies; both had populations of about 30,000 with similar demographic characteristics, social and economic conditions, levels of dental care, etc. In Newburgh, out of 817 children (aged from birth to nine years) who were selected in 1945, 500 were examined in 1954-1955; in Kingston, out of 711 children who were selected in 1945, 405 were examined in 1954-1955.
The medical and dental examinations began in 1944, and were repeated periodically until 1955. An assessment of any possible systemic effects arising from the consumption of fluoridated water was made by comparing the growth, development and the prevalence of specific conditions in the two groups of children as disclosed by their medical histories, physical examinations, and laboratory and radiological evidence. The age of onset of menstruation in girls was used as an index of the rate of sexual maturation.
At the end of ten years, the investigators reported no adverse systemic effects from drinking fluoridated water because no significant differences were found between the results from the two groups. The average age of first menarche was earlier among girls in Newburgh than those in Kingston: 12 years vs. 12 years and 5 months respectively (Schlesinger et al, 1956). Although this difference was not considered important, it does suggest an association between the use of fluoridated drinking water and an earlier onset of sexual maturation in girls. The Newburgh girls had not had a lifelong use of fluoridated water. For the first two years or so, they received unfluoridated water. Furthermore, their only source of F was from the drinking water.
“What evidence we found suggested that water fluoridation was likely to have a beneficial effect, but that the range could be anywhere from a substantial benefit to a slight disbenefit to children’s teeth.”
The conclusion of the report regarding “fluoridated water effect on health” was:
“An association with water fluoride and other adverse effects such as cancer, bone fracture and Down’s syndrome was not found. However, we felt that not enough was known because the quality of the evidence was poor.”
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reply to post by superman2012
There are countries that are , have, remove fluoride from their drinking water, I would guess you have some type of Bio- chemistry back ground.
It seems to be a well know fact the German Nazi's used fluorine , fluoride in giving to to their prisoners. What they wanted to make sure the Jew's went to slaughter with good teeth.
People have died from Sodium Fluoride. Plus the weakening of bones would be more related to the fluoride, causing the up take of calcium not to occur, due to involvement with the thyroid gland.
But you need all of the garbage out of your drinking water, but some forms of the chlorine will not out gas with time. Filters get most of this out, still not all, steam distilled is about only way to get pure H2O.
Just for trivia pure water will not conduct electricity, it's a insulator.
Brush your teeth with baking soda and don't get any Silver/Mercury amalgam fillings, you might just as well go suck on a piece of Aluminum.
My dentist tried to give me that crap, I ask what do you have in your mouth, he opened his mouth nothing be Gold, no Mercury.
superman2012
reply to post by whatsup86
Well I dont think it is very hard to devide that daily dose over more than one pill... with dissolving i just mean that the pill or tablet or whatever you think is handy melts in the water, so the fluoride will be there. You can then choose yourself if you want to drink the glass of water with fluoride in it or rinse with it. How can this be hard to get, Im just making this up as an example, you really think it would be hard to make even doses of pills out of fluoride? Do I need to make the pills myself as well before you believe this is pretty easy to make? If you do, thats just plain ignorant excuse me, but it would be.
Did I say that? I only stated it would be silly to go through the expense of making pills only to dissolve them in water. That is a hell of an extra cost rather then just fluoridating the water and letting people choose then.
And I edited: The lack of info on why a government seems to be wasting millions makes a good point for the anti-fluoride side. Because it seems the only reason they do it is because there is a lot of money to be made from selling fluoride to the government. Ever heard of the lobby system? And maybe there are even more dark reasons. Who knows, this is a major point you should be investigating yourself since you are more into this topic than me. Im just pointing out whats wrong with the system of adding fluoride to the water supply.. I use fluoride toothpaste btw, but I can tell when someone is biased and really you are.
Lobby system works both ways. How many people fear unfluoridated water using myths? How many are buying books about unfluoridated water?
I am biased. I can admit that. I used to be hiding in the caves in fear with you guys. I did research and it changed my mind. I saw that everything I believed was a myth or an outright lie. I covered everything and refuted it all with sources/evidence/links/science in the first two posts of this thread. To say all those studies are wrong because of fear, is just silliness. Research it and come to your own conclusion. Don't believe either side because of someones say so. Come to your own decisions. People are still capable of that aren't they?
superman2012
reply to post by AmenStop
Similar groups of children were selected for long-term observation from Newburgh (fluoridated to 1.0 to 1.2 mg/L in 1945) and Kingston (essentially F-free for the duration of the study). Newburgh and Kingston were chosen because they were well-matched: both were situated on the Hudson River about 35 miles apart with similar upland reservoir water supplies; both had populations of about 30,000 with similar demographic characteristics, social and economic conditions, levels of dental care, etc. In Newburgh, out of 817 children (aged from birth to nine years) who were selected in 1945, 500 were examined in 1954-1955; in Kingston, out of 711 children who were selected in 1945, 405 were examined in 1954-1955.
The medical and dental examinations began in 1944, and were repeated periodically until 1955. An assessment of any possible systemic effects arising from the consumption of fluoridated water was made by comparing the growth, development and the prevalence of specific conditions in the two groups of children as disclosed by their medical histories, physical examinations, and laboratory and radiological evidence. The age of onset of menstruation in girls was used as an index of the rate of sexual maturation.
At the end of ten years, the investigators reported no adverse systemic effects from drinking fluoridated water because no significant differences were found between the results from the two groups. The average age of first menarche was earlier among girls in Newburgh than those in Kingston: 12 years vs. 12 years and 5 months respectively (Schlesinger et al, 1956). Although this difference was not considered important, it does suggest an association between the use of fluoridated drinking water and an earlier onset of sexual maturation in girls. The Newburgh girls had not had a lifelong use of fluoridated water. For the first two years or so, they received unfluoridated water. Furthermore, their only source of F was from the drinking water.
I found no evidence for the "In 1955, ten years into the experiment, researchers reported more bone defects, anemia and earlier female menstruation in children purposely dosed with sodium fluoride-laced drinking water" claim other then the menstruation claim.
But most importantly you quoted this:
“What evidence we found suggested that water fluoridation was likely to have a beneficial effect, but that the range could be anywhere from a substantial benefit to a slight disbenefit to children’s teeth.”
The conclusion of the report regarding “fluoridated water effect on health” was:
“An association with water fluoride and other adverse effects such as cancer, bone fracture and Down’s syndrome was not found. However, we felt that not enough was known because the quality of the evidence was poor.”
Doesn't that say anything to you?
Environmental issues of aluminium smelters
The process produces a quantity of fluoride waste: perfluorocarbons and hydrogen fluoride as gases, and sodium and aluminium fluorides and unused cryolite as particulates. This can be as small as 0.5 kg per ton of aluminium in the best plants in 2007, up to 4 kg per ton of aluminium in older designs in 1974. Unless carefully controlled, hydrogen fluorides tend to be very toxic to vegetation around the plants.
whatsup86
superman2012
reply to post by whatsup86
Well I dont think it is very hard to devide that daily dose over more than one pill... with dissolving i just mean that the pill or tablet or whatever you think is handy melts in the water, so the fluoride will be there. You can then choose yourself if you want to drink the glass of water with fluoride in it or rinse with it. How can this be hard to get, Im just making this up as an example, you really think it would be hard to make even doses of pills out of fluoride? Do I need to make the pills myself as well before you believe this is pretty easy to make? If you do, thats just plain ignorant excuse me, but it would be.
Did I say that? I only stated it would be silly to go through the expense of making pills only to dissolve them in water. That is a hell of an extra cost rather then just fluoridating the water and letting people choose then.
And I edited: The lack of info on why a government seems to be wasting millions makes a good point for the anti-fluoride side. Because it seems the only reason they do it is because there is a lot of money to be made from selling fluoride to the government. Ever heard of the lobby system? And maybe there are even more dark reasons. Who knows, this is a major point you should be investigating yourself since you are more into this topic than me. Im just pointing out whats wrong with the system of adding fluoride to the water supply.. I use fluoride toothpaste btw, but I can tell when someone is biased and really you are.
Lobby system works both ways. How many people fear unfluoridated water using myths? How many are buying books about unfluoridated water?
I am biased. I can admit that. I used to be hiding in the caves in fear with you guys. I did research and it changed my mind. I saw that everything I believed was a myth or an outright lie. I covered everything and refuted it all with sources/evidence/links/science in the first two posts of this thread. To say all those studies are wrong because of fear, is just silliness. Research it and come to your own conclusion. Don't believe either side because of someones say so. Come to your own decisions. People are still capable of that aren't they?
Making pills is a very cheap process. and just handing out pills to people with tap water but no toothpaste will still save you millions because its litterally more than a million times more effective than just pouring it into a watersuply. Obviously..
Id rather be scared(read truth seeking )and right than naive (read trusting) and wrong btw.
Realtruth
reply to post by superman2012
Always, Always follow the money trail and this will lead to ignorance being denied here on ATS, and elsewhere.
I am going to post some information for ATS members to ponder on.
First I am from Michigan where all this nonsense started back in the 1940's in Grand Rapids, so putting the pieces together is actually quite easy.
Michigan as most of you know was the ultimate hub from making cars for many many years, hence they had many many metal production plants, and close Canadian counterparts, which produced steel, Aluminium, and many other production metals.
Splendid and well done! Also from MI, I know these facts, thank you for enlightening others. 3stars
I gave up posting but am entertained by the posts a few of you are keeping King Fluoride's crusade on the road to.... I don't know.
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This is from Redicecreation, Quote
Human Intelligence Is Slowly Declining According To Leading Geneticist
2013 12 03
From: Underground Health
Traces of 18 unregulated chemicals were found in drinking water from more than one-third of U.S. water utilities in a nationwide sampling, according to new, unpublished research by federal scientists. Included are 11 perfluorinated chemicals, an herbicide, two solvents, caffeine, an antibacterial compound, a metal and an antidepressant.
superman2012
Be back later on...
After 3 years of scrutinizing hundreds of studies, a National Research Council
(NRC) committee "concluded that fluoride can subtly alter endocrine function,
especially in the thyroid -- the gland that produces hormones regulating
growth and metabolism," reports Fagin.
Fagin quotes John Doull, professor emeritus of pharmacology and toxicology at
the University of Kansas Medical Center, who chaired the NRC committee thusly,
"The thyroid changes do worry me."
Fluoride in foods, beverages, medicines and dental products can result in
fluoride over-consumption, visible in young children as dental fluorosis --
white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth. We can't normally see
fluoride's effects to the rest of the body.
Reports Fagin, "a series of epidemiological studies in China have associated high fluoride exposures with lower IQ."