Longevity, vegans, meat, booze, and smoking

hellnotes
reply to post by beezzer

 

Bob, I can't really argue with you. I eat meat. I respect the kills. Does that make me a bad person? Maybe. I can honestly say that perhaps I'm not as evolved as others. But then again, I choose not to be.

With respect, I'll explore the links.

You’re coming along nicely, beezer, they may make a convert out of you yet.

Will this thread be the one where you realize your depravity and the poverty of your soul? Will you finally repent of your sins and except Vegetarianism as the way to salvation?

Probably not.

But I respect you folks well enough to take a look.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

For me its not the actual meat eating thats the issue, we are omnivores, a healthy diet should consist of some meat.

Not to turn this into a meat vs veggie diet debate or anything, but that's erroneous. There is nothing exclusive to meat. Anything essential that meat is providing can be found in other non-meat sources. I've been quite healthy, and in good enough physical shape that I can partake in competitive martial arts. Doctor's check me out fine, except my vitamin D was low (probably due to winter). Been vegetarian for a decade now. If you're a vegan you have to be quite conscious of B 12. I challenge you to the task of showing me I am wrong about nutrition exclusive to meat

Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

If you're a vegan you have to be quite conscious of B 12

with many foods fortified with B12 and plenty of cheaply available supplements, it isn't a very big issue. the liver can store B12 for about a week, so taking a large dose once a week (2500mcg) more than suffices. there are no known negative side effects from excessive B12, you simply urinate the excess out.

reply to post by beezzer

But I respect you folks well enough to take a look.

Well, you do that. I’ve studied it myself and I’m not vegetarian. So when you say ‘you folks’, please don’t include me in the groupthink. What I respect are people who let others make their own dietary choices and who stop pretending that it’s so far out to eat meat.

If some people see problems with the meat industry, then fix the problems with the meat industry instead of insisting that people need to ‘fix’ their diets. Some people insist on getting it backwards.

reply to post by hellnotes


I don't believe anyone was being 'militant' about vegetarianism in this thread. Hell the member that brought up the documentaries is a meat eater themselves. That said, I see nothing wrong with spreading awareness and communicating to the world something you personally believe will make a positive impact. I think people are way too sensitive and way too quick to call it "shoving it down ones throat".

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


Definitely I myself take a high potency B vitamin which includes B 12. It's really cheap.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Lucid Lunacy, I don’t know what you’re talking about and I never said any of that. Why don’t you get your posts straight and go find someone else to misquote and read your riot act to.

reply to post by hellnotes


I know. I inferred it. If I did so in error my apologies. Your posts had a 'tone' to them…

Riot act? Severe scolding? What lol. Again with the sensitivity.

Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by boncho

 

Just to bring balance to the force.

She's a strict vegetarian. A vegan.

I'd take Olivia Wilde over bacon.

edit on 30-11-2013 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)

Just to remind people of your fine post, my comment to you on the....ah, when you say bacon do you mean.....the force be with what now?.....lost my train of thought for some reason....

Oh, yes, a link.

Here's a link to a recent thread on ATS that adds fuel to the vegetarian side of any debate, and is both scary and informative. Worth a good read as, like I say to the OP in the thread, it's one of the threads on ATS that can save lives (or at least those argued about eight+ years of life):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Again with the insincerity. Feel free to stop at any time.

Must be awesome having the diet of a sloth. Silly human herbivores.

reply to post by hellnotes

Again with the insincerity. Feel free to stop at any time.

I don't know what you feel I am being insincere about. Nor why you're being so antagonistic in this thread.

reply to post by Kromlech

Must be awesome having the diet of a sloth. Silly human herbivores.

Sloths are omnivores.

reply to post by Aleister

Cool thanks for the link. Checking the thread out now.

reply to post by beezzer


Granted, 8 years additional is not that much, but I think the point (regardless of moral issues), is not the length of life, but the quality of life.

What with the health problems associated with increased red meat intake, smoking, and excessive drinking, that doesn't make the potential for a negative quality of life and living *almost* as long as those who tend to practice a more direct healthy lifestyle appealing (to me).

And I'm a red meat eating, drinking, no longer smoking person with a family history of heart disease, cancer, high blood pressure, and diabetes (and having seen family members suffer and die) who tries to eat as healthily as possible. But I do love me some junk food, steak, and good fried food at times, oh yeah (maybe sometimes too often). No fast food, however.

But what good is longevity of life without quality?

One could argue (as you have, I suppose), that quality comes with doing what you enjoy/like, such as steak, etc.

To each (or eat) his own, though.

ETA: I tried to be a vegetarian once not because of health but moral concerns. Unfortunately, I love meat too dang much. I can't and don't hunt because I can't personally kill, but I know that if one gets hungry enough, one sees that animal not as an animal but as a meal.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


I read the links.

If anything, what it spurred me to do is to hunt more and buy less packaged meat.

I respect you Bob, really. And I respect your choices. And while I may think twice about buying meat from a store, it won't stop me from hunting, fishing.

Regards,

beez

stumason
reply to post by beezzer

 

It's hardly worth it, is it? And the 8 years extra at the end of life will be just you peeing yourself and going senile anyway.

I'd rather trade in those 8 years and enjoy life a bit

The last 8 years of life for a vegan is not the same as the last 8 years of life for the typical obese diabetic.

Cuervo

stumason
reply to post by beezzer

 

It's hardly worth it, is it? And the 8 years extra at the end of life will be just you peeing yourself and going senile anyway.

I'd rather trade in those 8 years and enjoy life a bit

The last 8 years of life for a vegan is not the same as the last 8 years of life for the typical obese diabetic.

Yep, that's one of the things I wanted to post on here. I know a vegan activist, Howard Lyman, who tells of attending his high school reunion (must have been his 50th). As a long time vegan by that time, he was very healthy, and he said that almost everyone else there had tales of their open heart surgery, etc. He grew up in Montana in the states, so granted, the meat eating population was very high, but his experience at that reunion makes a good point of why to start cutting back on meat.

Eight extra years of life, healthy years, and that ain't chickenfeed (ummmmmm, chickenfeed).

Since this thread is also about eating meat, and considering that Olivia’s photo has been posted for the third time here, I think as a female that it would be more balanced to pay tribute to male meat-eaters as well, since I’ve had and still have the pleasure of knowing many fine looking males who eat meat. Now I could post a photo of a male celebrity who eats meat, but I doubt it could do more for me than this:

Now this guy has wings, but I don’t hold that against him a bit. Male meat-eaters, I salute you.

reply to post by hellnotes


Boncho's original image I believe was a bit tongue n cheek. So mine was intended the same. The truth is there are plenty of healthy and physically conditioned people with diets that fall within the spectrum of all being discussed. I would think a girl would salute both, if she is saluting to top physique. Anyways that guy has a great body, hope he's proud of the effort he put into it. Takes lots of discipline.

I love vegans, they are yummy
one of my girlfriends was a vegan.
very pure in body,. and I could tell

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

Boncho's original image I believe was a bit tongue n cheek.

Seems to me, hers was a bit tongue in cheek as well. It was amusing. lol.

I would think a girl would salute both, if she is saluting to top physique.

Why only a girl? I would think a guy would salute both as well, as you did at the end of your post, but until she posted this, I saw only a female picture posted.

Seems fair for the topic of the thread. :-)

reply to post by Klassified

I saw only a female picture posted.

Seems fair for the topic of the thread. :-)

For sure I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I guess I could have been more clear.