It's looking more and more like we may live in a simulation

I’m no authority on the Simulation Argument, and haven’t given it any more than a passing thought from time to time over the years since first reading about it. It’s one of the many things I’ve read about and then filed under the category, “I’ll look more deeply into that next time I get stoned”. I really do need to clear out that section of my filing cabinet, as it’s getting pretty full. Besides this riddle, I also need to figure out

is there truly any basis in reality to the multiverse?
do my observations/measurements really cause the wave function to collapse?
is infinity real, or just a mathematical convenience?
just what are the mechanics of consciousness? can it be quantized, ordoes it dance to a different tune?
if time is all I’ve got, and it’s just an illusion, then what’s the point?
why are we born if all we’re going to do is die?
blah, blah, blah...

Seriously, I’m not trying to belittle, or minimize, any of this. A lot of these ideas really fascinate me; especially if they’re based upon solid physics and mathematical principals. Even the really far out ones. Unless it’s truly outlandish or purely faith-based, and as long as there is some valid foundation to support an idea, I rarely will dismiss it outright. I figure just because I can’t grasp an idea doesn’t mean it’s not valid. There’s always the very strong possibility (in my case) that it’s simply over my head. The older I get, it seems, the less firm my grip on reality becomes.

Anyway, to my knowledge the Simulation Argument has gained some degree of acceptance within the academic community, but like so many other interesting ideas floating around, there’s no experimental evidence yet to back it up. Although Bostrom’s ideas are legitimately based upon probability theory, scientific evidence is required for further confirmation and broad acceptance.

Personally, I find the idea really fascinating. But then, I’m no authority. I guess I’ll just have to force myself to sit down, get really looped and figure this thing out once and for all :-) I’ll get back to you when I’ve made some progress...

radkrish
Why would an advanced civilization simulate something in the first place?

Because they could.

Help relive the boredom.

A way to deal with the kid's.

I am a firm believer that our consciousness lies outside of the dimensions that we can see and that our brains (the frontal lobe in particular) are really receivers of consciousness. This does not mean that this universe is not tangible, just that some part of our essence is not to be found in our genetic make up like animals' are. If the above were true wouldn't this give some results that make our whole reality seem like a simulation; and All of Existence is Dependent Upon Mind and Without Mind Nothing Exists; and the universe is the same as our consciousness?

I believe simulation is as good a theory as any. I've given it much thought, as I'm sure many of you have as well. I just want to point out one element of my personal simulation theory that I've never seen talked about before.

We all know about binary code, simple 1's and 0's that when coded create everything we see on our computer screen. With that knowledge, if I were to create a more complex computing system I would probably add some more numerals, maybe 1's, 0's, and 3's. Logically, it makes little difference other than shortening the code for any input, thereby creating more complex outputs with simpler inputs. To make something extremely complex I might code with 0's, 1's. 2's all the way to 115's, the number of elements.

The elements and binary's 1's and 0's are both non-changing, fundamental inputs which create everything in their respective universe, be it the computer or actual universe.

Just something I think about.

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neoholographic

Again, this isn't 3 mystics on hallucinogens saying this, these are serious thinkers putting it out there.

....this isn't Mystic Bluewater saying this. It's a guy who discovered several moons of Saturn, Neptune and Uranus who works for NASA.

you do realise the human brain has two hemispheres don't you?

Eventually we will be able to simulate an entire 80 year lifespan of a human being on a computer. All his/her ideas, thoughts and experiences.

which will be only half of what constitutes the expression of human consciousness. The other half belonging to Mystic Bluewater will be missing. Simply the persuasion of Archon logic.

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What is ?
Mystic Bluewater, or Archon logic

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Well it would make more sense that our CIV type 3 god is the programmer Universe to Solar systems to planets ..


Well... for this World that is ! We have Glitches like Ancient World Anomaly's the Oopa'S that can be explained , out of place artifacts!! that might as well be just a overlap written over code.. of old n new lol more less left overs from the old code.. and then we have those little thing like a New Species that just popped out of no ware !!! especially where scientist had been studying a certain spot for decades ,,


ok

let see what the Illuminati masonic Group that has shown on the big screen

Matrix !! gimme there

Pretty much like this!!

Tron
en.wikipedia.org...

interesting this is @@@( In response, the MCP uses an experimental laser to digitize Flynn into the ENCOM mainframe, where programs appear in the likeness of the human "users" who created them.) I wonder where I heard this from!! ohh yeah the Bible..

Flynn's ex-girlfriend Lora Baines (Cindy Morgan) and fellow ENCOM engineer Alan Bradley (Bruce Boxleitner) warn Flynn that Dillinger knows about his hacking attempts and has tightened security. Flynn persuades them to sneak him inside ENCOM, where he forges a higher security clearance for Alan's security program "Tron". In response, the MCP uses an experimental laser to digitize Flynn into the ENCOM mainframe, where programs appear in the likeness of the human "users" who created them.

Tron Legacy
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Nirvana
en.wikipedia.org...(film)

The film tells the story of a virtual reality game designer, Jimi (Christopher Lambert), who finds out that the main character of his game, Solo (Diego Abatantuono), has achieved sentience due to an attack by a computer virus. Asked by his creation (who feels everything the character in the game feels, including multiple deaths) to eliminate its existence, Jimi sets out to erase the game from his employer's server before it's commercially released, and thus spare Solo further suffering.

The 13th Floor
en.wikipedia.org... Floor

The Thirteenth Floor is a 1999 science fiction crime thriller film directed by Josef Rusnak and loosely based upon Simulacron-3 (1964), a novel by Daniel F. Galouye. The film stars Craig Bierko, Gretchen Mol, Armin Mueller-Stahl, Vincent D'Onofrio, and Dennis Haysbert. In 2000, The Thirteenth Floor was nominated for the Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Film, losing to The Matrix.

In late 1990s Los Angeles, Hannon Fuller (Armin Mueller-Stahl) owns a multi-billion-dollar computer enterprise, and is the inventor of a newly completed virtual reality (VR) simulation of 1937 Los Angeles, filled with simulated humans unaware they are computer programs. When Fuller is murdered just as he begins premature testing of the VR system, his friend and protégé, Douglas Hall (Craig Bierko) who is also the heir to the company, becomes the primary suspect. The evidence against him is so strong that Hall begins to doubt his own innocence.

Love this scene !! You watchen this Martin Savage?? Silas Beane and Zohreh Davoudi

The Thirteenth Floor - The Truth Scene




A Thin Sheet of Reality: The Universe as a Hologram (Full)



just in reverse

Virtuosity
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look within ourseves is the answer GATTICA !
Complex computer code !!

We did the Same

Synthetic Cell

Synthetic genomics
en.wikipedia.org...


Synthetic biology
en.wikipedia.org...

Artificial cell
en.wikipedia.org...

the synthetic cell was made by computers ...

Killobyte

Killobyte is a 1993 novel by Piers Anthony. This book explores a virtual reality world in the context of the Internet, and although originally intended as an action-adventure story, it is more of a character study[citation needed]. It is a cult favourite because of its forays into virtual reality, as well as its technical inaccuracies

Author's note

Anthony writes about the development of the novel and the research it required. He got the first germ of the idea in 1981, before virtual reality was invented. He was influenced by the page-turning qualities of Robert A. Heinlein's 1951 novel The Puppet Masters.

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There is a cheat code, but like all cheats, they're not meant to be used

www.emhdf.com...

Computer simulation, ha?

Not a chance.

That is the easiest way out explain oddities of nature. No simulation. Complex interactions, geometry, number of attractors and entropy issues that are not understood. That theory is an attempt to adopt observed universe with current knowledge, which is silly to do as of given current state of affairs.

Explaining nature with some sort of simulation (thanks we have such a concept) is simplifying matters to the point of PS III. Not a chance. Sorry.


cheers.

Haven't read the whole thread, but there was the mathemitician/physicist a while back who claimed he had found an error correction code (used in computers to correct the transmission of information) embedded into the universe.

Edit: here - www.novaspivack.com...

Why on Earth should I care about this? Seriously, how does this in any way, shape, or form affect me and my life? Whether it's real or not, it's the only one I've got and I intend to continue to live it. All this "theory" says is that people will do anything they can to avoid answering to a creator or admitting that someone on Earth actually knows something they don't.

For all practical purpose, Infinity of this Universe is two googolplex, so any code would have to be out side of these parameters.
So at this time we can not write this code, we would need a quantum computer, or something even more.

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First of all, science always seems to use analogies derived from day to day life. This aside, even if information which seems to be derived from occupied or not occupied space at the Plank scale, is the most fundamental quality why does this mean simulation?

A simulation is a copy of something else. Why use this term? Does information automatically means that its origin lies somewhere else?


EDIT: furthermore the term information is a concept, abstract. It only means something if A notifies B about C and B is interested in it. In other words, for who is this supposed elementary information meant??

I'd just like to thank everyone who's contributed to this thread for some of the most compelling, thought-provoking ideas and arguments I've experienced on this site in quite some time. Not only is it a pleasure to read the musings of others, I believe it is strongly beneficial for one's mind to entertain these types of, shall we say, internalized external dialogue. So thanks again to everyone, and especially to neoholographic, without whom this tremendous thread would not have been possible. Bravo!

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The answer would be the Omega Point.

As I have said before, all these scientist say how the Universe is going to end, but they always, leave the human or some other more intelligent creature out of the equation.

OOOOOO
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The answer would be the Omega Point.

As I have said before, all these scientist say how the Universe is going to end, but they always, leave the human or some other more intelligent creature out of the equation.

You mean for an observer? But surely that observer needs to be located out of the Universe? So indeed back to some creator of sorts.

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I second this. This is one of my favorite topics and I came in here ready to post and contribute, after reading six pages I am content to sit and listen...there are some very knowledgeable people here who have a nice grasp on the science behind this. Instead of contributing some details of the science, I am content to sit and listen...which says a lot about the content of the thread .

Well done!

jaffo
Why on Earth should I care about this? Seriously, how does this in any way, shape, or form affect me and my life? Whether it's real or not, it's the only one I've got and I intend to continue to live it. All this "theory" says is that people will do anything they can to avoid answering to a creator or admitting that someone on Earth actually knows something they don't.

If this is how you truly feel, why bother to read the thread, actually, why even bother to reply to the thread?

For anyone who has ever pondered their purpose, or existence, for anyone who has dared to challenge the sentiment beyond the mundane day to day, this thread is for them.

This is all serious stuff my friend, just as an adopted child wishes to learn of its parentage, we too desire to know our true roots.

The fact that it is all circumstantial is neither here nor there, this is all very much exploratory, but then nothing was ever learned without pushing the boundaries of thought.

Bottom line...we grow as individuals when we expand our horizons and explore potential truths.

Or to put it a better way, true or otherwise...we learn something new every day.

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Nope, God is the simpliest explanation.

Just because an explanation is simple that doesn't make it true.

If we live in a simulated reality. What is it that is causing the simulation? What was the cause and effect to the creation of this simulation?

Whether you believe in The Big Bang, God, or Aliens creating a simulated universe, it still points to the same answer.

That at least ONE thing would have to be uncaused to create causes to make everything else that comes into existence.