Leading geneticist says we are a hybrid of Pigs and Chimps

reply to post by soficrow


sorry,didn't make myself clear.i really enjoyed reading his examples,many of them.but i just disagree on how it occured. perhaps he doesn't want to touch that specific quagmire?

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


So, which came first? The chimp OR The pig?
2nd line

reply to post by indenial


Okay. But I do wonder. Why is it so much more comfortable for so many to consider alien or other intervention than 'random' selection?

...Not that I reject that hypothesis out of hand either. Just curious.

reply to post by soficrow


i'm not going into it.married to navy diver,best mate artillary soldier.we were all floored by what we saw,by our physics ,impossible.so,naturally i believe life has formed in many ways,shapes and forms.quantum.m. had the answers for me.(ooops,meant infantry)

teachtaire
ever heard of synthetic biology?

OHH I LOVE ATS anyways


Thinking Bladerunner the Movie based on Philip K Dick SCIFI BOOK Do Android Dream of Sheep.

Tyrell the Creator Talking to his Creation ..

Tyrell: [Tyrell explains to Roy why he can't extend his lifespan] The facts of life... to make an alteration in the evolvement of an organic life system is fatal. A coding sequence cannot be revised once it's been established.
Batty: Why not?
Tyrell: Because by the second day of incubation, any cells that have undergone reversion mutation give rise to revertant colonies, like rats leaving a sinking ship; then the ship... sinks.
Batty: What about EMS-3 recombination?
Tyrell: We've already tried it - ethyl, methane, sulfinate as an alkylating agent and potent mutagen; it created a virus so lethal the subject was dead before it even left the table.
Batty: Then a repressor protein, that would block the operating cells.
Tyrell: Wouldn't obstruct replication; but it does give rise to an error in replication, so that the newly formed DNA strand carries with it a mutation - and you've got a virus again... but this, all of this is academic. You were made as well as we could make you.
Batty: But not to last.
Tyrell: The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son; you're quite a prize!
Batty: I've done... questionable things.
Tyrell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
Batty: Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.

www.imdb.com...

Speaking of Longevity...

Before the Flood 1,000 years Life Span After The Flood 120 years LifeSpan HMMM?

goes to the Question of the Synthetic CELL !! that Lives and does exist and is MAN MADE!
goes with the Question of Battle Star Galactica's Humanoid Cylon .. Which in particular is somewhat
like the ANNUNAKI of the End of the Series ( the Remake )

Scary as it Sounds about a Man Made Cell..

Artificial cell
en.wikipedia.org...

Synthetic Bacterial Genome Takes Over Cell - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com...

May 20, 2010 - J. Craig Venter called it a step toward making microbes from scratch, but some scientists criticize the approach.
New process to create artificial cell membranes - Science Daily
www.sciencedaily.com...


Oct 1, 2013 - The membranes surrounding and inside cells are involved in every aspect of biological function. They separate the cell's various metabolic ...

Immaculate creation: birth of the first synthetic cell - life - 20 May ...
www.newscientist.com...-BU


May 20, 2010 - Craig Venter's team has assembled a living organism from scratch

Using 3D microdroplet printing scientists build synthetic cells and tissues
www.extremetech.com...

But a Pig has Only 38 Chromosomes ?? we have 46 well actually 48 as chromsome number 2 is actually fused and Science Knows this

IT HAS TO BE THE SAME CHROMSOME COUNT TO PRO CREATE !! as i thought >>
WELL NATURALLY ... but with a Hand with BIO Engineering of a Civilization type 3 or Higher
yeah then it Makes Sense .. say 250,000 to 1,0000 years ago
and then Dabbed again say 10,000 12,000 year ago Making Humans Weaker and Downgrading longevity
well according to Sumerian Kings List and the Christian Hebrew Bible .. yeah its in there
( My Little Theroy ) Tho there is no missing link as of yet from the Progress of Homo erectus/Neanderthal to modern Human and that were it Lies .. but does Science know what that 2 to 3 percent different is from Man and Ape have they found out !! what it is ?


Let get some Legit Sites Here !!

A chimp-pig hybrid origin for humans?
Jul 03, 2013 by John Hewit

phys.org...

Open Science
Human Origins

Are we hybrids?
BY EUGENE M. MCCARTHY, PHD GENETICS

www.macroevolution.net...-BU

Rense.com


Man-Beast Hybrids On The
Way - Human DNA In Cow Egg
By Scott Foster
The Edmonton Journal

nationalpost.com...

www.rense.com...

150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years
By DANIEL MARTIN and SIMON CALDWELL
Created 9:18 PM on 22nd July 2011

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy
Maryann Mott
National Geographic News
January 25, 2005

Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimeras—a hybrid creature that's part human, part animal.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

If Humans on Earth can Do it Now !! Why couldn't an Higher Race of Beings did it to US!! From another World way older and more advance in Technology then our Own or Dimension as i have said before ... in posts Some Consider GOD or a Deity or it just an OLDER CIV TYPE 3 Race BIO Engineering

Well Thank God im not in the 12 century of this planet I would be considerd a GOD (NEW WORLD) or a DEMON (Europe) From Using My Flashlight or my Smartphone showing Pics and Camera Music Games etc.

reply to post by soficrow


You believe this? Seriously?

Come on. The man's a nutter or a publicity hound.

Astyanax
reply to post by soficrow

 

You believe this? Seriously?

Come on. The man's a nutter or a publicity hound.

Have you read what he wrote or checked his credentials or other work?
Hes legit and respected in the scientific community.
He even says he doesnt like his conclusions but he cant ignore them.

What makes you so sure hes a nutter?

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

Have you read what he wrote or checked his credentials or other work?

Irrelevant. Perfectly legitimate people lose their marbles every day.

Hes legit and respected in the scientific community.

Not after this little fiasco, he ain't.

He even says he doesnt like his conclusions but he cant ignore them.

I saw a photo of him. He looks a bit porky. I suppose this is his way of living with it.

What makes you so sure hes a nutter?

How did the pig hold the chimp down?

reply to post by Astyanax

You believe this? Seriously?

Come on. The man's a nutter or a publicity hound.

Believe? As in "believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny"? Erm. ...As stated earlier, I consider the hypothesis to be reasonable. I also agree with McCarthy's own statements:

For my own part, curiosity has carried me away from my old idea of reality. I no longer know what to believe. Is it possible that so many biologists might be wrong about the nature of human origins? Is it possible for a pig to hybridize with a chimpanzee? I have no way of knowing at present, but I have no logical or evidential basis for rejecting the idea. Before dismissing such a notion, I would want to be sure on some logical, evidentiary basis that I actually should dismiss it. The ramifications of any misconception on this point seem immense. As Huxley put it long ago, "The question of questions for mankind — the problem which underlies all others, and is more deeply interesting than any other —is the ascertainment of the place which Man occupies in nature."

McCarthy is a respected geneticist who has focused on hybrids. Here is a snippet of his bio.

McCarthy on PubMed, a US government science database:

McCarthy EM

Results: 1 to 20 of 29
Select item 16368779
1.
The contribution of LTR retrotransposon sequences to gene evolution in Mus musculus.
DeBarry JD, Ganko EW, McCarthy EM, McDonald JF.
Mol Biol Evol. 2006 Mar;23(3):479-81. Epub 2005 Dec 20.
PMID: 16368779 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free Article
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2.
Long terminal repeat retrotransposons of Mus musculus.
McCarthy EM, McDonald JF.
Genome Biol. 2004;5(3):R14. Epub 2004 Feb 13.
PMID: 15003117 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free PMC Article
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Select item 15040813
3.
Evolutionary history of Oryza sativa LTR retrotransposons: a preliminary survey of the rice genome sequences.
Gao L, McCarthy EM, Ganko EW, McDonald JF.
BMC Genomics. 2004 Mar 2;5(1):18.
PMID: 15040813 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free PMC Article
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LTR_STRUC: a novel search and identification program for LTR retrotransposons.
McCarthy EM, McDonald JF.
Bioinformatics. 2003 Feb 12;19(3):362-7.
PMID: 12584121 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free Article
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McCarthy published by Oxford University Press:

Handbook of Avian Hybrids of the World
Eugene M. McCarthy
OUP USA
598 pages | 16 maps, 4 line drawings | 234x156mm
978-0-19-518323-8 | Hardback | 30 March 2006
Price: £81.00

With more than 5,000 works cited, Handbook of Avian Hybrids of the World is the greatest compendium of information ever published on hybridization in birds. Worldwide in scope, it provides information on all reported avian crosses, not only those occurring in captivity, but also in a natural setting (approximately 4,000 crosses are covered). This book is a basic reference, intended both for the serious birder and the professional biologist. McCarthy's work fills a need for reference material that takes into account the last half century of data. It will be of interest to workers in a wide variety of fields, ranging from animal behavior to genetics, ecology, zoology, and systematics. In fact, it will make fascinating reading for anyone interested in birds and the natural world.

McCarthy in Nature:

A theoretical assessment of recombinational speciation

McCarthy's new theory, in book form:

On the Origins of New Forms of Life: A New Theory

A review of the book and theory:

McCarthy masterfully develops an extended argument for a paradigm shift in evolutionary biology from the traditional view that each new species arises gradually from a single ancestral form, to the novel suggestion that each new life form originates suddenly when its recombinant karyotype becomes genetically stabilized following a hybridization event between two distinct ancestors. This bold hypothesis the stuff of which Kuhnian revolutions potentially emerge is presented with eloquence, extensive scholarship, and verve. Importantly, the hypothesis entails empirically testable genetic mechanisms and evolutionary predictions, and thus may stimulate a sweeping research agenda."

reply to post by soficrow

...As stated earlier, I consider the hypothesis to be reasonable.

Are you a creationist?

Maybe the pigs and the chimps got up to some funny business inside the Ark.

reply to post by Wolfenz

...If Humans on Earth can Do it Now !! Why couldn't an Higher Race of Beings did it to US!!

Science just copies what happens in nature - especially bio- and nano-technology. So a "higher race of beings" could have done it, but it also could have happened naturally.


GREAT links btw. S& : up :

Astyanax
reply to post by soficrow

 

...As stated earlier, I consider the hypothesis to be reasonable.

Are you a creationist?

edit on 29/11/13 by Astyanax because: I mean, really. This is absurd even for ATS.

??? Does not compute. Are you married to dogma?

I suggest you read some of the background materials. Lots of links provided. The hypothesis is anything but absurd, although it is revolutionary.

But doesn't human taste like chicken?

I should know, I used to read ogrish. Loads of cannibal stories on there. Mostly about how anus tastes rotten and is rubbery when fried. Anyone tried pigs bum?

Bit like the article in the op really.. pigs bum..

ahha.. good god I have to leave this thread, it's doing me a mischief.

reply to post by winofiend


I had the unfortunate circumstance of eating a bacon cheeseburger while reading this statement... I'm almost certain there is no more bacon in my stomach and I am no longer hungry.... Thanks a lot

This story makes the one where Earth is a prison planet for devolved beings, who can't behave properly, from a distant alien race that can exist in all 12 dimensions, look like a gem.

A lot of divorcee women are probably shouting "I KNEW IT!" right now.

reply to post by soficrow

Does not compute.

Allow me to crunch the numbers for you. Anyone who believes this hasn't the faintest idea how reproductive biology works. The name one gives such a person is 'creationist'.

reply to post by Astyanax


Agreed, a wild boar would most certainly eat a chimp, not try and mate with it!

I'm skeptical of Dr. McCarthy's claims. He lined up DNA looking for similarities and found many with pigs, which are obviously mammals. The multilobar kidneys are common to humans, pigs and most large ruminant animals so based on that we could just as easily have been hybridized from cows or other ruminants like the Sable Antelope, which has 46 chromosomes- much closer to humans and chimps than the 36 chromosomes of the wild pigs.

It should be pointed out that genome construction was recently called into question. This article explains that assembling programs do not come up with consistent results when used by different groups, meaning each resulting genome is different.
Just because animals with widely varying chromosome counts, like zebras and donkeys, can mate doesn't mean that chimps and pigs can.

Astyanax
reply to post by soficrow

 

...As stated earlier, I consider the hypothesis to be reasonable.

Are you a creationist?

Maybe the pigs and the chimps got up to some funny business inside the Ark.

edit on 29/11/13 by Astyanax because: I mean, really. This is absurd even for ATS.

So are you here just to troll or are you actually going to read the linked articles and give an intelligent opinion?

reply to post by Astyanax


RE: Reproductive biology. Apparently, you haven't been keeping up and consequently, as your avatar states, "Your mind is firmly closed."

I have more regard for a proven professional well-published geneticist who specializes in hybrids and hybridization than in any unnamed unqualified uncredited troll. Not to be disrespectful.

reply to post by flyingfish

a wild boar would most certainly eat a chimp, not try and mate with it!

In fact, females offering sexual favours to male predators is a recognized survival tactic. Cross-species hybridization in the wild occurs with some regularity. The progeny commonly are NOT sterile but do tend to have reduced reproductive abilities. ...Read the references!

reply to post by soficrow


Can you link to the papers in the high impact factor journals that the "well published" geneticist has published in? Or perhaps the genetic evidence supporting his claims? Rhinoceros posted up the human and pig genomes a few pages back, perhaps with your expertise you can highlight the similarities that would slam dunk the case.