Electric Comet ISON - Revealed

This thread is ugly and I think should be closed or moved to the Skunkworks.

Arguing with EU believes is like beating your head against the wall. The harder you hit, the harder it hurts.

reply to post by wildespace

Arguing with EU believes is like beating your head against the wall. The harder you hit, the harder it hurts.

That is because they have to be right no matter what science tells them. Without youtube they would not have anywhere to get their scientific data to use.

In fact they should change the name youtube to yourube as it seems to be a better fit.

That is also why I try to stay away from the EU or EC threads, too much crap being slung with nothing to back it up.

reply to post by Tallone


You know when your getting close to the truth , they tell you to shut up.

ONya Tallone you have my support.

Definitely something amiss here.

But your not suppose to be paying that close attention, Tallone , naughty boy.

reply to post by Pinkorchid


No ones telling him to shut up.

We're asking him to back up his claims.

Oh and to explain why earlier claims are wildly inaccurate.

Perhaps you can help explain these things?

Since it seems you're throwing your support behind him, you must be ignoring the earlier, false claims?

Do you like being lied to? Or isn't it lying when it confirms your bias?

reply to post by AlphaHawk


I don't have to explain anything I'm happy with what I know and don't need to convince you about it.

Your the one/ones who have the obsessive need for others to have your point of view and don't say based on scientific fact , because you sources have got Ison wrong all the way.

reply to post by Pinkorchid


What exactly did these sources say that was wrong?

Here's the three scenarios NASA put forth 2 weeks ago as to what they think ISON would do:

www.nasa.gov...

The final case is the most straightforward: ISON survives its brush with the sun and emerges with enough nuclear material to continue as an active comet.
If ISON survives intact, it would likely lose enough dust near the Sun to produce a nice tail. In a realistic best-case scenario, the tail would stretch for tens of degrees and light up the early morning sky like Comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) did in 2007.

The best of all possible worlds would be if ISON broke up just a bit, say, into a few large pieces.
This would throw out enough extra material to make the comet really bright from the ground, while giving astronomers pieces of a comet to study for months to come.

Seems like the best case scenario for NASA actually happened, ISON survived, but is probably broken up.

So, how about the EU theory, how'd that go for you?

Can the EU explain ISON's current appearance - a puff of dust? Why was ISON almost invisible at flung around the Sun, then became active again and finally started dimming and dispersing? Where is the electric interaction between the Sun and ISON?

reply to post by wildespace


Anyone who denies the vast body of evidence that space is filled with plasma at this point of time, fall into the same category as those people who surely existed back in 1542, who continued to believe that the Earth was flat and that the Sun circled the Earth.

Amazing how many people choose to embrace ignorance.

Once humanity succeeded in entering space, they found a world vastly different than what had been predicted, and institutional science has yet to admit this.

reply to post by alfa1


Once again, you fail to provide a link to back up your claims.

Per example, proof that you are clueless.

www.google.com... j1.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.ttr1ZkzFiJs#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=science

Alright. As of this posting any post that attacks another member will be removed, the member warned and possible post bans. That INCLUDES valid posts with an insult thrown in.

reply to post by wildespace


Here is the latest info on ISON. This guy seems to have his act together, nice to read an honest response. Check out the link for the most recent photo.

www.slate.com...

UPDATE 2 (Nov. 29 at 02:30 UTC): This beastie continues to surprise. This SOHO image, from 00:18 UTC on Nov. 29, sure looks like something survived intact. At this point all I can say is the same thing I've been saying all along: predicting comets is like predicting cats. Good luck with that. For those keeping score at home, it got bright, then it faded, then it got all smeared out, then it came around the Sun smeared out, and then it seemed to get its act together again. At this point, I refuse to make any further conclusions about this comet; it seems eager to confuse. I've been hearing from comet specialists who are just as baffled... which is fantastic! If we knew what was going on, there'd be nothing more to learn.

There are no absolutes about ISON.

reply to post by poet1b


Why are you preaching at me? I asked some simple questions.

I know that space is filled with plasma, and I know that the mainstream scientists are studying it. www.nasa.gov...

Let's try again: why did the dry, solid chunk of rock that ISON was supposed to be react in the way we saw, and why is it now a puff of dust that is quickly fading from view? Did anyone see or measure the supposed electric interaction between the Sun and ISON?

poet1b
reply to post by wildespace

 

Here is the latest info on ISON. This guy seems to have his act together, nice to read an honest response.

Yes, Phil Plait is a great public science writer/speaker with a lot of common sense. Ask him what he thinks of the EU or EC.

It's normal for scientists to be baffled or surprised, this is how they learn and improve their theories.

reply to post by poet1b


It would appear that you've been misled, like the EU theory, the flat earth argument that the misinformed trot out is incorrect.

reply to post by Tallone

There is strong evidence of interaction between the Sun and ISON on the 19th.

No, there isn't. Almost 24 hours passed between ISON's perihelion and that solar flare you're making such a big deal about. It was on the other side of the sun to the comet — and not even directly opposite.

To see for yourself, go here.

In the Image Type box, select 'LASCO C3'.

Select Movie from the Display buttons.

Ignore the Start and End Dates boxes and in the Last n images box type '500'.

Click search.

Watch the movie. Read the timestamps. See?

What kind of an electrical interaction do you call that?

reply to post by Astyanax


What evidence can you provide that this 24 hour period is significant?

Ever experience a static discharge?

Considering the vast difference in proportions, those solar discharges look eerily similar. The direction does not matter.

reply to post by wildespace


(The following is not directed at you, wildespace, but your quote is a gem, and I'd like to use it to prove a point and get a few things off my chest.)

It's normal for scientists to be baffled or surprised, this is how they learn and improve their theories.

DING, DING, DING! Someone get the man (or woman?) a prize!

I have seen many use quotes from various people (especially Battams) out of context proclaiming things like...

"Seeeeee! Even Mr. Astrophysicist has NO idea what is going on with this comet! Some expert you have there!"

What they fail to grasp is that... THAT is how science works. Questions first, and answers later, after data analysis. Give them a few weeks and they will be more sure of what went on with ISON.

"Why aren't they sure about ISON yet if they are soooOOooo smart?"

Because they haven't analyzed all the data yet! Comets in general... are finicky things and ISON is not the first comet to surprise the scientific community or to not behave like predicted.

reply to post by wildespace


Do you realize that your link backs up everything I have been saying on this thread?

I am not preaching, maybe you are losing your religion.

Yeah, ever so slowly, NASA is starting to face the realities of what they encounter in space.

reply to post by daryllyn


Who are you quoting?

It's not news that good scientist don't see the world as absolute.

reply to post by AlphaHawk


Plasma science is just continuing on with the realization that the Earth is round, and moves around the sun, that the mainstream point of view is wrong.

Evidence continues to pile up, like observations of comets, that it isn't smart to continue to ignore the vast amount of plasma found in space.