Electric Comet ISON - Revealed

Tallone
Thanks for taking part in this discussion all of you who did. There is no point in my carrying on with the thread.

I will say I do agree with Vind21 above. There is indeed a nice collection of data on ISON and relating to the comet on this thread. Some excellent points raised from both sides of the debate. I would say ISON is not going to change some minds until the status quo changes. Ha ha.

There are good ISON links provided in the thread to.

May I ask why you are abandoning your thread at this point?

C/2012 S1 (ISON) has yet to complete it's journey around the sun (if indeed it makes it), nor has it reached it's closest point yet.

You have debated quite hard in this thread, advocating that this comet will help prove or at least lend evidence towards EU theory. You have not conceded too many things to the Standard Model and obviously still believe that EU theory is correct, according to your posts throughout this thread.

You can not expect most people to accept EU theory or change their minds about the standard model based simply on YouTube videos or prediction models of ISON. You need evidence or proof to help support EU theory (or at least to be highly suggestive for it).

C/2012 S1 seems to be the perfect "experiment" for EU theory, and it's an "experiment" that is not complete yet.

Even if C/2012 S1 does not give enough supporting observational data for EU theory, have you thought of discussion on this? Asking questions or giving suggestions to be discussed as to why the observational data doesn't match?
There are plenty of EU Theory supporters here on ATS, and it would seem to me that it would be a good discussion among you.

Yes, you'll have Standard Model supporters arguing with you, but you should expect that. A public forum will bring all manner of people to it. It can be tiresome, but goes with the territory.

So why abandon your thread? Why not instead, stay and defend your position? Or at the very least try to get discussion going that uses electromagnetism instead of gravity that helps explain why predicted models for ISON using EU Theory fail to happen?

As you've pointed out many times: astronomers of the standard model end up surprised, or are unable to explain certain things. They do not abandon their work however. They try and figure out what is going on.

Wouldn't EU theory be the same? Full of surprises, things that happen that are not suppose to, or things that do not happen that should have?

Tallone
EC predicts interaction between the Sun and a comet.
We have seen evidence of this in the solar flare pattern...

So hows that Electric Universe solar ineraction with comet ISON coming along then, as you predict?

Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Geophysical Activity Report and Forecast SDF Number 330 Issued at 2200Z on 26 Nov 2013

Solar activity has been at low levels for the past 24 hours.
Solar activity is expected to be very low ...
The geomagnetic field has been at quiet levels for the past 24 hours.

reply to post by alfa1


I have no idea about EU theory but looking at LASCO C3.......



The moment ISON pops into the frame.......boom.

I thought that was funny.

Peace

operation mindcrime
I have no idea about EU theory but looking at LASCO C3.......
The moment ISON pops into the frame.......boom.

According to the Space Weather Prediction Center, there was a C class flare on the 26th, and also one on the 27th, but thats not particularly exciting.
In facts its rather boringly normal, considering some Electric Universe proponents were saying that we should be seeing huge plasma explosions in the sky and massive numbers of X class flares right now as the comet "interacts" with the sun.

Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Geophysical Activity Report and Forecast SDF Number 331 Issued at 2200Z on 27 Nov 2013
Solar activity has been at low levels for the past 24 hours.
Solar activity is likely to be low...
The geomagnetic field has been at quiet levels for the past 24 hours.
The geomagnetic field is expected to be at quiet levels...

reply to post by DJW001

The Electric Universe Theory claims that the molecular gas observed in comets is actually created out of the solar wind by [wave of hands] "electro-chemical processes." These mysterious processes seem to require the presence of a strong magnetic field in order to collect the free protons and electrons in order to assemble them.

No, it doesn't, not even close.

Plasma is not gas. The ionized gas theory was proven wrong long ago. Plasma is subatomic structure.

What appears to be happening is that ISON, and other comets, come into the inner solar system with a different charge than the interstellar atmosphere, and it does look like the sun reacts to this difference of potential.

And while you are at it, you might want to look at this.

www.ph.utexas.edu...

reply to post by alfa1


The observation of the tail splitting resulted in several claims that ISON would brighten and then dim.

Are you now claiming this isn't true?

Rather than nit pik at the data, it works better to consider the possibilities rather than reject them out of hand.

reply to post by alfa1


Where are these claims of large explosions that plasma science are claiming to happen?

Any links?

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Like a capacitive discharge?

It would be nice if there was a way to measure if a comet could effect the sun, electrically, plasmaically.

How delicately balanced is our heliosphere?

What could be brought in from the interstellar medium?

www.phy6.org...

reply to post by Tallone


So, ISON passed perihelion and....the sun did nothing.

Nada.

Zip.



The red line is the time ISON reached perihelion.

Zilch.

I await the goalpost shift to begin soon!

reply to post by AlphaHawk


There were a couple of sparks just before it arrived. Seems like more than a coincidence.

Potential builds as the comet approaches, current flows which eliminates the capacitive charge.

Basic physics.

reply to post by poet1b


so i guess Ison got the electric chair because Ison is no more

reply to post by poet1b


So in other words no matter what happened ISON was going to support EU? Let me ask a question? What would you have to see to think that EU was wrong? Scientific theories are falsifiable. So what event would falsify EU?

reply to post by poet1b


Double post

reply to post by TechniXcality


Yeah, what a bummer.

The kid turned out to be a shooting star.

Soon to fade into history.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Essentially, no matter what happens, you will continue to deny the evidence that is becoming ever more clear that Plasma theory is pointing us in the right direction.

It is not just ISON, but all comets coming out of the deeper Oort cloud continue to punch holes in quantum mechanics, which keeps coming up with ever more exotic theories to keep alive the dying concepts.

The only thing that would prove plasma theory wrong, is that we discovered all of our scientific evidence gathered over the last century to be wrong.

What would it take for you to recognize how undeniable plasma theory is?

reply to post by poet1b

What would it take for you to recognize how undeniable plasma theory is?

Maybe if EU proponents could make accurate predictions before hand? Not only that but said predictions need to contradict the current model. So far all I see from the EU crowd is making predictions that fail and then when the opposite of what they predicted occurs they still claim it as proof of EU. As soon as ISON developed comet wings the standard model said that ISON was breaking apart and that it wouldn't survive perihelion. Guess what? That's what happened. So what part of ISON's journey (which EU supporters said was going to be the ultimate proof of EU) proves EU and disproves the current model?

reply to post by poet1b

What would it take for you to recognize how undeniable plasma theory is?

Double post... Again.

Thank you, I saved your thread for later reference on how to properly advocate a competing scientific theory.

reply to post by AlphaHawk


That would be overlooking 4 M class flares and an X flare erupting in the direction of ISON's direction in just five days. And the story in blue pics painted for you just above on this very page.

reply to post by Tallone

That would be overlooking 4 M class flares and an X flare erupting in the direction of ISON's direction

Solar flares are not directional. They are electromagnetic radiation which propagate in all directions.