America; A Coward Country

reply to post by beezzerIt depends on what you mean by being cowardly. Some times being cowardly in some peoples terms means being submissive but in some situations it will keep people alive. You must remember that if being brave means taking actions that lead to violence and i dont neccessarly mean incited by the persons being brave (Eg Being shot simply for protesting) then sometimes it is better for being cowardly at that particular time to stay alive. Dead people can no longer be brave. Sometimes more supple methods that seem cowardly to some are actually more effective at getting change.

Qspeedyrock
reply to post by beezzerIt depends on what you mean by being cowardly. Some times being cowardly in some peoples terms means being submissive but in some situations it will keep people alive. You must remember that if being brave means taking actions that lead to violence and i dont neccessarly mean incited by the persons being brave (Eg Being shot simply for protesting) then sometimes it is better for being cowardly at that particular time to stay alive. Dead people can no longer be brave. Sometimes more supple methods that seem cowardly to some are actually more effective at getting change.

 

You bring up a good point. It is difficult to discern motive. I will caveat to that.
*nods*

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People don't change or have self reflection if they are told how great they are all the time. I view what you wrote as tough love and that is why I thanked you for making this thread. I'm sure everyone will survive your blunt assessment and hopefully it will cause some self reflection if necessary. There are certainly aspects of my life where I'm a coward, though less aspects of my life then when I would have got angry at the mere suggestion of cowardliness. It may not be the best descriptive word to use in some cases but it sure isn't a word that sugar coats things and sometimes that is exactly what is needed.

Sitting on the internet is a little to black and white I think. While venting on the internet to vent really does not help. It’s also a tool to use; the first part of any war is an info war. You have to know where to draw the battle lines and who and what resources you have at your disposal.

While I do think not enough of us are using it in such a method some still are. It’s just disheartened to watch so many try and just end up bleeding out their freedom as they struggle.

beezzer
So you would rather want government determining social behavior rather than having the individual be responsible for their own behavior?

You know what they call right wing cells in your body?

Cancer.

beezzer
reply to post by JustMike

 

If someone is afraid to act, live, perform, function in a society outside of the perceived norm then I wouldn't call that brave, would you?

Dude, what planet do you stem from?

Where is the unclaimed land and resources a free person can choose to colonize and build themselves up with/from?

WTF?

How can anyone be so disconnected?

beezzer
How about, be free to determine your own life.

Stop hiding behind the apron strings of mama-government?

I'd rather join/work for government to keep you 'brave' restless natives down.

Why do I get the feeling that this is ultimately another one of the many many "poor people are ruining Murica" threads that are so prevalent on ATS these days?

Of course they want a nation of cowards and scared people. Much easier to control things that way. I thought this was common knowledge to anyone on this site.

And I'm not so sure if cowardice is the problem rather than complacence.

Alot of people I know realize that the system is totally insane and corrupt, but what can be done about it? Nothing ultimately. So might as well just look out for myself and those I care about.

Sadly this is the attitude of most nowadays. is it right? or wrong?

Does it really matter in the end?

BubbaJoe

beezzer
reply to post by BubbaJoe

 

So you don't think that people who want Obamacrae, want entitlements, want a larger government, are cowards?

Obamacare will save me about $400 bucks a month and possibly take me off of the VA rolls. Entitlements need to be looked at, and fraud needs to be eliminated, fraud needs to be eliminated everywhere. I don't think we need larger government, what we have needs to work more efficiently, and needs to be reformed, at every level. But, hey, I am a centerist, and no one wants to listen to me, I don't scream loud enough, and I can't attract any nut jobs.

hey bubba, I'm listening, good for you on saving a little money on your healthcare...the right doesn't want to hear that, that's why you'll be ignored, and there are a lot of them on ATS...it's pretty sorry when something actually works for someone and it's a bad thing.
the thing you have to remember here on ATS is that fear, disillusionment, anger, is promoted.

Pejeu

beezzer
How about, be free to determine your own life.

Stop hiding behind the apron strings of mama-government?

I'd rather join/work for government to keep you 'brave' restless natives down.

That answer is probably (and sadly) more accurate than you'd ever care to admit.

Cancerwarrior
Why do I get the feeling that this is ultimately another one of the many many "poor people are ruining Murica" threads that are so prevalent on ATS these days?

Of course they want a nation of cowards and scared people. Much easier to control things that way. I thought this was common knowledge to anyone on this site.

And I'm not so sure if cowardice is the problem rather than complacence.

Alot of people I know realize that the system is totally insane and corrupt, but what can be done about it? Nothing ultimately. So might as well just look out for myself and those I care about.

Sadly this is the attitude of most nowadays. is it right? or wrong?

Does it really matter in the end?

edit on 20-11-2013 by Cancerwarrior because: (no reason given)

In the end, we can only try to make things better for those we leave behind.

And so Atlas eventually shrugged....

8675309jenny
And so Atlas eventually shrugged....

I think too many potential Atlases are afraid to.

Sublimecraft
reply to post by beezzer

 

I think I know what you are getting at.........

Do you or bezeer support abolishing banks? All banks, all banking altogether.

No?

Thought so.

Full of it.

beezzer
That answer is probably (and sadly) more accurate than you'd ever care to admit.

I'm a coward, dude. I want a gubmint job wherein I do my bestest to keep you right wingers down.

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You hit the nail on the head Beezzer.

People that have a coward or victim mentality are very easy to control.

Fear and apathy are the governments greatest gifts besides tax money.

reply to post by beezzer


What an excellent thread, you said that all so well.

You are absolutely correct. Freedom requires the responsibility of the individual to manage their own affairs. Including their personal financing, health, safety, and happiness.

Tell a person that they have to be personally responsible and then watch the inner coward come out. I see it all the time on campus at my local college.

Hipsters hate responsibility.

beezzer

luciddream
OMG how can anyone bash the independent groups like the Tea Party... sooo innocent!!!


PC is annoying but there are people who want to go the other way, aka, want to discriminate, accuse, and w/e and not get penalized or criticized for it.

Too much PC is bad but i think some people want it completely gone....sorry it keeps racist and bigots in check or makes them stand out.

"i wanna be bad to this person but damn PC is in its way!"


i think this hate on PC is actually an underlying agenda to destabilize or cripple whatever is opposed to tea party/republican goals.

So you would rather want government determining social behavior rather than having the individual be responsible for their own behavior?

And if Government didn't set an enforceable standard, then who'se going to be held accountable beezer? Was anyone held accountable for dragging blacks in the street in the 1940's? Not many. Thank goodness the government stepped in to set a standard... for my own survival, and for me to have the right to a pursuit of happiness.

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Until people realize they have to admit that this is not an idea invented by governments, corporations or even the wealthiest elite families, the real scum who inhale the power of a deluded victimized society, will forever remain deeply in control...

Because the governments, corporations and every secret society on earth, for some reason maintains incredible pressure over this planet because for some Ungodly reason, they are far more afraid than any of US are !

reply to post by beezzer


Did you really think the liberal socialist/communist would not have there day in America ? What you have described is human nature at its worst but you have also described Clowerd Piven at its best.

I could quote bad things happen when good people do nothing but we are way past that.

Nice post beez, to the point.