Under Seal: Document Expert Identifies Obama Birth Certificate Forger; Says Media Executives Invol

beezzer

hellobruce

beezzer
Cruz should not be president because;
He was frickin' born in Canada, eh?

Why do you think that would stop him becoming president?

"Natural born citizen" comes to mind. . . .

Yes, and he is, so what has that got to do with anything? Do you even know what a natural born citizen is?

Famouszor
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

So what are you going to do about it?

Nothing of course, they have no evidence at all, just the claims of a self professed "expert" who does not understand what they are talking about!

reply to post by beezzer


The courts have been pretty clear that if you have birthright citizenship you have natural born citizenship. Birthright citizenship is defined in 8 USC § 1401 which includes this section:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

Xcalibur254
reply to post by beezzer

 

The courts have been pretty clear that if you have birthright citizenship you have natural born citizenship. Birthright citizenship is defined in 8 USC § 1401 which includes this section:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

What happens if the one parent is a "Naturalized" Citizen ?

Born somewhere else, then becomes a U. S. citizen later.

reply to post by xuenchen


As far as I know the question hasn't come up in the courts. However, based on the wording in the law I'd say that the child is still a natural born citizen. A naturalized citizen is still a citizen. Since the law doesn't exclude naturalized citizens nor does it only specify natural born/birthright citizens I see no reason why their child would not be granted US citizenship upon birth.

Onslaught2996
reply to post by xuenchen

 

When reading your threads and posts..I was like there is no way someone can be this dishonest, stupid or ignorant.

Since your agree with birthers..my questions have been answered..so I shall never bother you again..since your posts and threads are not your fault..it has to do with your intelligence level and what you are capable of understanding.

Well THAT makes me feel more confident than ever !!

Thank You for confirming.

Your comments have made it pretty clear that *Nerves* have been severed !!


btw, Obama may in fact be the son of Obama Sr.

It's the mother that's in question.

Think about how that may have happened.

Xcalibur254
reply to post by xuenchen

 

As far as I know the question hasn't come up in the courts. However, based on the wording in the law I'd say that the child is still a natural born citizen. A naturalized citizen is still a citizen. Since the law doesn't exclude naturalized citizens nor does it only specify natural born/birthright citizens I see no reason why their child would not be granted US citizenship upon birth.

I agree.

And I think the only time "Natural" born is at issue is with a President ?

Is there any other time "Natural" born is a requirement ?

kimar
His Mom was unquestionably an American, so even if he was born in Kenya he is still eligible to be President.

To all the right-wingers who hate Obama so much but love Ted Cruz: Mr. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and nobody seems to be saying anything about how he can't be President.

I wonder why this is. Oh wait, Obama is black...

Please edit and delete this icky true information. For most birthers, ignoring the facts and spreading their fears and insecurities is all they have.

Kali74
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Barack Obama looks just like his maternal grandfather... he isn't adopted.

Hmmm.

That picture certainly opens up a can of worms.

In fact, maybe Mr. Dunham is Obama's Father ?

That would answer many questions.

[ but then who's the real Mother ? ]

Xcalibur254
reply to post by beezzer

 

Because Cruz's mother is a US citizen he qualifies as a natural born citizen. Natural born citizenship is equivalent to birthright citizenship. In order to have birthright citizenship one must either be born on US soil or to at least one parent who is a US citizen. It's for this reason that even if Obama were born in Kenya he would still be a natural born citizen.

Ummm... Wow.... Where did you find precedent, actual example of past Presidents having been this (outside those alive when the documents were made official) or anything on the Constitutional side which supports it??

Now they don't even have to be BORN here? Umm.. No.. That absolutely isn't how it works.

It's why John McCain did get a short but real US Senate inquiry as to whether he could even run for the Presidency at all.

As mentioned earlier, McCain was born in the U.S. Controlled Panama Canal Zone and there was some dispute or question as to whether that was "American enough" at the time to qualify as Natural Born American. Obviously it was determined to be American Soil for the purposes of his running...but the fact it was questioned shows the status of that whole thing.

Undetermined ..would be the best way to put definition of Natural Born for parental status, at least by the Court side in clear interpretation. That's part of why this whole debate just won't die. No one bothered to precisely put a definition to it. They sure won't while he's in Office, either. Forget him being born elsewhere...he wasn't. (As I know the facts to be, anyway). It's too explosive an issue for anyone to even joke about clarifying until afterward though.

GNOarmy

bjax9er
Who cares, he is the president.

An incompetent Marxist hack of a president, but still the president.

Get over it!!!

I care! As do countless other Americans. If he is sitting illegally, that he should not be president. That is the point. Very plain and simple. I have always been a skeptic of this whole birth thing, but if it is proven, then he needs to be removed. Then, only then, can we get over it.

With his trying to indirectly " modify" our constitution to spying on Americans and heads of government allies, why not pursue this and many other angles to oust this phony?

edit on 10/28/2013 by GNOarmy because: (no reason given)

I agree.

Otherwise, you have a situation similar to turning a blind eye to an epic crime, because you failed to stop the crime in the first place.

The same thing as a bank, having installed high tech security systems and procedures to stop bank robbers, ignoring that there's a bank robber stuffing sacks of cash in the vault simply because he beat the high tech security system!

The robber stuffing his pockets, would be arrested and charged.

I see no difference whether the bank has to lose face in order to arrest the bank robber, or the government security personnel have to eat humble pie and accept their own failings in order to expose a massive fraud in it's own midst.

If Obama is guilty of defrauding his way into the Oval office, it would be compounding, even aiding the fraud, to allow him and his co-conspiritors to remain - even a minute longer than absolutely necessary.

Asktheanimals
reply to post by bjax9er

 

I saw the birth certificate released as a photoshop file.
Fake all the way - I counted over a dozen changes to the original files.
That doesn't happen when they simply "scan" a document as they claim to have done.

His mother's citizenship doesn't matter.
BO never renounced his Indonesian citizenship.

edit on 28-10-2013 by Asktheanimals because: (no reason given)

Really? Scan one single PDF file, and I guarantee I can have 10 versions of that same file as PSD files within an hour. PSD is the photoshop format by the way... I wouldn't expect you to know that since you don't even think that anyone can pull a PDF file and convert it to PSD.

As a matter of fact google "pdf to psd converter free download" and see what pops up. First result is a CNET download doing just what you claim can't be done.

GNOarmy

kimar
His Mom was unquestionably an American, so even if he was born in Kenya he is still eligible to be President.

To all the right-wingers who hate Obama so much but love Ted Cruz: Mr. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and nobody seems to be saying anything about how he can't be President.

I wonder why this is. Oh wait, Obama is black...

Well somebody had to play the race card. It took a while. I was suprised.

The issue is you MUST RENOUNCE your dual citizenship to be president. I am not advocating Cruz for president, but he never tried to hide it and he did offer to renounce it should it be neccessary. So NO, not that he is black. silly, just possibly illegal. Nice try on race-baiting though. You give it your best.

edit on 10/28/2013 by GNOarmy because: (no reason given)

I don't know much about this "dual citizenship" issue that you have, but that is not the point they're trying to make. An US State birth certificate is just that... a birth certificate. They're saying President Obama's is a forgery. Entirely different issue.

SilentKillah
They're saying President Obama's is a forgery. Entirely different issue.

The ones claiming Obama's birth certificate is a forgery have not even seen Obama's birth certificate.... no real expert would claim a document that they have never seen a forgery.

hellobruce

SilentKillah
They're saying President Obama's is a forgery. Entirely different issue.

The ones claiming Obama's birth certificate is a forgery have not even seen Obama's birth certificate.... no real expert would claim a document that they have never seen a forgery.

They had it for download for people to look at so people have seen it, just not the hard copy. This is normal when checking for forgery you'll get a picture or a scan of the document first and if you still have trouble telling, you go and see it in person and look at it there. Thing is the scan they sent was at the forgery level of trying to pay for a pack of gum at a 7-11 with a black and white photocopy dollar bill, it was just that bad.

It's like looking at fake ID's from kids trying to get in to bar or work visas. Some look really good and hard to tell and need to be looked at in person the paper felt and weighed, other you wonder why the person even bothered paying for the fake ID it so bad.

Not saying he's a citizen or not, just saying the document provided is a piece of junk.

ObjectZero

hellobruce

SilentKillah
They're saying President Obama's is a forgery. Entirely different issue.

The ones claiming Obama's birth certificate is a forgery have not even seen Obama's birth certificate.... no real expert would claim a document that they have never seen a forgery.

They had it for download for people to look at so people have seen it, just not the hard copy. This is normal when checking for forgery you'll get a picture or a scan of the document first and if you still have trouble telling, you go and see it in person and look at it there. Thing is the scan they sent was at the forgery level of trying to pay for a pack of gum at a 7-11 with a black and white photocopy dollar bill, it was just that bad.

It's like looking at fake ID's from kids trying to get in to bar or work visas. Some look really good and hard to tell and need to be looked at in person the paper felt and weighed, other you wonder why the person even bothered paying for the fake ID it so bad.

Not saying he's a citizen or not, just saying the document provided is a piece of junk.

edit on 29-10-2013 by ObjectZero because: grammer

Exactly

But call us all birthers or racist and the train goes off the tracks

Why a bad fake, what needs to be covered up ?

Where he was born is a moot point for now

reply to post by BrianG


Maybe he was being cheap and had one of his kids do it.

xuenchen

Do you really believe that?

There's actually no evidence to suggest that Obama is adopted.

No *Public* evidence, but there is an ongoing investigation...not public either (yet).

The evidence is in the Hawaiian court records that remain sealed by law.

We have no reason to believe that there is any adoption record for Obama AT ALL: his birth was recorded by the State of Hawaii, and noted in the newspaper. He looks just like his maternal grandfather and very much like his mother, and kind of like his father as listed on the birth certificate.

There is a difference between following evidence and following wild speculation. At this point, the birthers are reduced to speculating about what might be on a sheet of paper that we have no reason to believe even exists. It's clearly reached the point of desparation when we get speculation that Stanley A. Dunham was Obama's real father. Even if that were the case, Obama would still be a natural-born citizen!

ObjectZero
just saying the document provided is a piece of junk.

Only according to people who refuse to accept Obama could be the President.... to them no document Obama presented would be good enough, as the whole birther thing is not about any bit of paper!

MystikMushroom
-- snip --
Maybe his COLB is fake, but the only people that care are the ones upset that their "team" didn't win.
-- snip --

What an incredibly cynical viewpoint. There are still some in this country that value honesty above politics. Do ya think maybe our founding fathers had a reason for placing stricter expectations on eligibility to hold the highest office in the land?

I also think that, in a country that makes you show ID and sign a register to buy antihistamines, it shouldn't be too much to ask that someone prove they have the right to vote before they enter the voting booth!