'Physical enjoyment' in the afterlife

reply to post by FlyersFan


I will be perfectly open and honest with you. I do not often speak of my NDE because it fits in nowhere really with any "religion" I dont think... and yes, in a way that is scarey because it challenges you...

and I have for 23 years shied from that challenge although I have faced the questioning about it from time to time.

I will give what you said some thought... but that will always be in my own time and my own way. It was nice discussing it though. Thanks.

So what if you see a loving light. How do you know that's God?

Just because you were taught God is light and love you just believe it. No different from the religiously brainwashed.

For most people, spirituality means taking whatever feels good.

There's some people who don't even believe demons and darkness exists anymore, they are in for a surprise.

Most people don't care for truth, just assumptions of whatever makes them happy

When you dream at night, don´t you have dreams where you have sex with someone, don´t you eat and don´t you experience many other things u experience in your day life?

Some say Life is a dream; what makes you believe death and its afterlife isn´t ? And if so the same experiences (perhaps enhanced) should be equally viable there.

Give it a thought or two and you might see the answer to your question.

FlyersFan
Continuing a conversation that got off topic in another thread ...
Physical enjoyment in the afterlife ....
SEX? Food? Bodies? Alcoholic beverages? All that organic stuff ...
Or will the enjoyment be all spiritual??

What do you think and why do you think it?

As for me ... I'm going on the teachings of Jesus. No marriage means no sex.
And any 'enjoyment' will be spiritual. We won't be in a mundane body like we have now.

1 Corinthians 2:9 - But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Matthew 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

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wildtimes
reply to post by CosmicDude

 

There is no afterlife in the spiritual sense but we may have (or not) other physical experiences

WELL!!
That's a rather authoritative statement.

And you know this beyond a doubt......

HOW?

I would suppose it would rather be as authoritative as making the statement "I KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt that we reincarnate".

Do you "know" that you reincarnate?

and you "know" you reincarnate?

How?

reply to post by WarminIndy


Unless you know from personal experience why make any assumption at all?

Without evidence or your own personal experience, it is just an assumption to say whether it's true or not.

OpinionatedB
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I will be perfectly open and honest with you. I do not often speak of my NDE because it fits in nowhere really with any "religion" I dont think... and yes, in a way that is scarey because it challenges you...

and I have for 23 years shied from that challenge although I have faced the questioning about it from time to time.

I will give what you said some thought... but that will always be in my own time and my own way. It was nice discussing it though. Thanks.

Don't worry about them. They were also last night praying for the angels to be with you.

You know what happened, no one needs to force explanation from you. By the way, I was not online last night when everyone else was. But you still have my prayers today.

reply to post by johncarter


Right now our frame of reference is pretty much defined by our physical reality which means our dreams are also defined by it. IMO that's why we dream of physical activities or at least activities couched in a physical context.

As for NDEs, I would think the challenge there is that if they are legitimately what those who experience them portray them to be (not saying they aren't, but as I've never had one I can't comment one way or the other), the a person who has had an NDE is trying to describe something utterly removed from the physical to people who are completely grounded in it with a language rooted to it. How do you do that? I'm not sure you can in any adequate way.

arpgme
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Unless you know from personal experience why make any assumption at all?

Without evidence or your own personal experience, it is just an assumption to say whether it's true or not.

Exactly,

So why is there a demand on this lady to make her say it might be something else?

As someone else put it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't change the personal experience of someone else, then say personal experience counts.

reply to post by WarminIndy


ohh honey no... I think you misunderstood something. Everyone is just posting their view on the afterlife. That person wasn't even speaking to me hon....

My reply was to something Flyers Fan said about my personal Near Death Experience that I had a long time ago which I posted in this thread...

Nothing is wrong... nothing at all...

arpgme
So what if you see a loving light. How do you know that's God?

Just because you were taught God is light and love you just believe it. No different from the religiously brainwashed.

For most people, spirituality means taking whatever feels good.

There's some people who don't even believe demons and darkness exists anymore, they are in for a surprise.

Most people don't care for truth, just assumptions of whatever makes them happy

We can ask the same question, "How do we know it's not God?"

How can it be that people transcend time and space removed from our senses above our physical body, with all its psychological attachments, and be in the presence of something so great and powerful, that what is so great and powerful then is reduced to "Your former belief" or "Your brainwashed conditioning".

She never said what she believed prior to this. She never said she was a Judeo/Christian, all she said was she arrived there before a presence that was overwhelming, that when she came back, then she knew it was God.

People can say the Flying Spaghetti Monster is god too, but wouldn't they also have to be brainwashed or conditioned to the belief that the presence they stand before is dripping spaghetti sauce?

This woman experienced something so powerful, it changed her perspective about life. But isn't that what it is all about? Transcending this mortality?

Ronald Reagan said one of my favorite quotes after the Space Shuttle disaster..

"They slipped the surly bonds of earth and touched the face of God". That makes me cry every time I think of it, the earth is a bondage, we are held here to it. But transcending this earth and this bondage, we can touch God. Isn't that what every one is trying to do with every form of religious experience?

OpinionatedB
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

ohh honey no... I think you misunderstood something. Everyone is just posting their view on the afterlife. That person wasn't even speaking to me hon....

My reply was to something Flyers Fan said about my personal Near Death Experience that I had a long time ago which I posted in this thread...

Nothing is wrong... nothing at all...

Good. As long as you are good with it.

The very obvious fact should be no one who is dead is alive.They are dead…in death sleep.They will be "awakened"(resurrected..but not into their dead physical body) in the age of the Kingdom of God.There is no "place" that is "heaven".Mankind IS THE heavens where God will live.None of this can make complete sense because it is "outside" of the physical realm(and age)experience.

All the speculations of what the "spiritual"activities of the after death life will be are false.There is no way to perceive what they are the best we can do is transpose physical experiences.However that doesn't mean the"functions" are completely different.

Whatever it will be we can't imagine how it really works.If we can imagine it ..that isn't it.No one has experienced the age of the Kingdom of God because it hasn't manifested.NDE are just that ....they are experiences of "near" death.They are not after death life experiences.Some near death experiences give a glimpse of how different the after death life is.However they are not the after death life.

The Kingdom of God can be entered in the physical realm(in the midst) although very few enter it…and of course it is not the age of the Kingdom of God so it is also not like the after death life.As a few have already said.We are living in the age of the physical realm.To project that into another realm is impossible and futility.My suggestion is to live one life at a time.

Yes we can dream however that is all they are … dreams…and very faint and shallow dreams at that(including NDE).The after death life will be so utterly incomprehensible the most wonderful dream could do it no justice.We'll have to settle for that because nothing else that is the truth can be perceived while in the physical realm.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I don't wish to make light of your harrowing ordeal, but death is permanent. You didn't die by the mere fact that you're still alive.

Aphorism
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

I don't wish to make light of your harrowing ordeal, but death is permanent. You didn't die by the mere fact that you're still alive.

That's why its called a near death experience, if you were dead you cannot come back to tell anybody anything.

TheLieWeLive
reply to post by FlyersFan

TheLieWeLive
I'm assuming when we die and leave our bodies whatever enjoyments you have because your brain enjoyed them will be gone. I've had an OBE and the I don't recall experiencing any fear when I wasn't in my body. It was just so. I don't recall thinking as much as I was just there observing.You're leaving the brain behind which is possibly the vail that keeps us blinded to the reality outside what we now experience.

Im not sure that anyone is understanding the difference between Non Physical Matter Reality (higher frequency is all less dense) and Physical Matter Reality (this one in 3rd dimensional sticky heaviness). Your soul/spirit expirences them as a body form differently, one is dense the other is lighter because the environment dictates it. If you have expirenced OOBEs you know that you can eat, drink, have sex and suffer pain, as in suffer an injury to yourself (as out of body is just a lighter body/form enveloping your soul). In 'lucid dreaming' you can also have the same experiences; sex, eating food, experiencing fear, find yourself in dangerous situations (you have concsious awareness that you are infact dreaming, and can alter or adjust your circumtances). OOBEs are more or less your traveling, at times spying or visiting; experiencing (yourself driving the scenarios or locations). You can focus on your past; your future or dead friends, beloved animals. Im certain that anyone that makes the decision to explore these outer realms 'mind beyond the body' will need courage, as it frightens me at times the places and circumtances I find myself in (I continue to wake up every morning though).

FlyersFan
reply to post by trollz

 

Maybe ... but that's not exactly heavenly for the angels then, is it?
Someone has to shovel the poop .... if we eat, that is.
Unless the food is something different then food here ....
(which means, no chocolate and no coffee ...

)

The Bible does mention a "glorified body" as I recall, but doesn't go into the details of the mechanics of it. Suppose this "body" makes 100 percent use of any food it ingests, converting it entirely to energy? Imagine all the power that would give you... all power, no poop! It would be like having an entirely organic (or whatever passed for organic there) cold fusion plant for everyone!

darkbake
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Well if you are asking about a conditional afterlife, throw that thought out the window, in my opinion. Life is about making healthy choices, not about following archaic laws. I think there is the situation of an afterlife being a resurrection experience, where you resurrect until you learn the lessons you need to learn to interact with others and yourself in a healthy manner

What then? What would you do with all of these lessons learned if not put them to use in some form of afterlife? In other words, if you don't have a chance to put them to use, what would be the purpose of learning them?

Many years ago I was baptized. Yes, you heard me right - I said I was baptized. You may gasp in shock at your own leisure.

Anyhow, I was baptized by an old preacher named Jack Hamilton. He was retired from a big church, and donating his time and effort to a small one for free. So, anyhow, Old Jack ran an Antiquarian bookstore. I used to go over there and help him out when I had nothing else to do. Old Jack had a habit of coming out of left field with non sequitur comments. For example, I made the comment one day that I "wouldn't know him from Adam", and Old Jack didn't even look up from the box of books he was pricing, he merely said "Adam didn't have a navel". I said "Huh?" and Jack said "Adam wasn't born of woman, so he didn't have navel. You can tell Adam from anyone else".

That was Old Jack. He'd been a preacher for aeons, and I reckon must have delved more deeply into certain questions than the average bear, because of his avocation I suppose. He's just drop these pearls of wisdom seemingly at random.

One day, I was at the store shelving books as he was pricing them, and out of the blue Old Jack says "There are golf courses in heaven." Of course I responded with my usual witty reply to these random gems. I said "Huh? What did you just say?"

Old Jack restated that there are golf courses in heaven. I asked him what made him think that was the case, and Jack said "I like to play golf. A lot. Therefore, there must be golf courses in heaven. If there were not, it couldn't be called heaven. So they're there - mark my words".

I could not fault his logic in the matter.

That was over 20 years ago, and Old Jack must have been in his eighties. In all probability, Old Jack knows the answer to that by now.

I hope Jack enjoys his next round of golf as much as he did his first one, "physical activity" or not.

How could anyone experience anything without their body? We see with the eyes, taste with the tongue, hear with the ears, so on and so on. Souls don't have eyes or ears, hands to grasp, nor mouths to eat. Nothing physical can be experienced without something physical experiencing it.

Aphorism
How could anyone experience anything without their body? We see with the eyes, taste with the tongue, hear with the ears, so on and so on. Souls don't have eyes or ears, hands to grasp, nor mouths to eat. Nothing physical can be experienced without something physical experiencing it.

I don't know, but what about this, what about a parent who feels the presence of their child, no matter how old, and knows something is wrong with that child, because they heard the voice?

What about the husband who is far away from the wife he loves and in sending a thought toward her, she feels it?

What about knowing who is calling you before the phone rings?

What about knowing the song that is about to play on the radio, just before it does?

These are things that are unexplainable. So people try to explain them, by saying we are all connected. But what about seeing a person you know cannot possibly be in a place? It's more than just being connected and we do experience with our seeing and hearing.

I'll tell you a story of a father who went to bed one evening. In the middle of the night he heard his son come home, but realized his son was not there, his son was in Vietnam. But he heard the familiar footsteps of his son, he heard the soft whistling his son always did when coming into the house. So the father got out of bed and went into the living room that was still dark and knew something was wrong, so he got down and prayed for his son.

When his son came home from Vietnam, he told the story of being on patrol in an area that was open, and he would be seen, as he heard Vietcong soldiers coming. He knew there was no where to hide, but did his best and as he knelt down in the ditch on the dirt road, he heard his father say his name. As he heard this, the Vietcong soldiers passed right beside him, never even looking at the ditch, where he was exposed. This was my mom's uncle and cousin.

Supernatural experiences of soldiers are nothing new and neither are NDEs.

There are things in this world that we simply can't explain. But we can't pass off everything as being only natural. And we can't imagine an explanation either. The supernatural is something we can only get a little glimpse of, that world is too great for us to imagine or explain.