Enlightenment in 15-30 days, an EXTREMELY fast method. Mahasi Style Noting

Visitor2012
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Conquering your mind, thought and emotion has nothing to do with enlightenment. It's the exact opposite.

who said anything about "conquering" any of these?

You eventually find the source of mind/thought within, and the source of emotion within. Once these locations are found, enter into them and pull out the taproot, then the whole tree falls to the ground, perfect brilliant stillness, no more arisings. Its in virtually ALL Of the advanced teachings.

This whole neo-adviata fad that tolle started is going to fall away one day, since so many people are arriving at half-arse realizations and claiming them to be the end all be all via mental self justifications.

Try the Mahasi Method for 30 days and you'll find, gain access to, and unravel things within, that the No-I'ers have no clue about because of the self justification that there is nothing more to see, unravel, or deeper depths to plunge.

reply to post by dominicus


Dom, I have a question for you.
In your own experience, how have you found people to take your pure honesty?

UltraverseMaximus
reply to post by dominicus

 

Dom, I have a question for you.
In your own experience, how have you found people to take your pure honesty?

I've had a number of teachers in the last 10 years, buddhist, christian mystic, advaita, etc.... they are all blunt, direct, to the point and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Of course here's the "kicker" !!!!! Everything they've said, has always been followed by, "go within and see for yourself if it is true."

I have gone deep within and found that "I" is just an illusuory construct, that there is a source of thought (though the taproot has not yet been pulled out permanently with me), that there is a source of emotion from which they all arise, that there is a source for the life force that animates the body which can be accessed & manipulated, that there is grace that descends upon one from the other side and cleanses out the vices, replacing them with virtues (to certain degrees).

I'm no different. Go within and see if these things are true. Just echoing what Buddha said, who also extolled to check his teachings as your own verifications within. There's a number of people who have tried Mahasi and started getting the fruits of it, or who have accessed the same depths and insights, and are in complete agreement.

The ones not agreeing, are those who think this is all B.S. via hardened skepticism, or those who have reached one level of depth and as an illusion, think it is the end all be all.

OF course, this all comes down to Full Blown Enlightenment, and not many really care to see as a direct experience if this is really real. Most prefer intellectual masterbatory dissertation based debates.

dominicus

UltraverseMaximus
reply to post by dominicus

 

Dom, I have a question for you.
In your own experience, how have you found people to take your pure honesty?

I've had a number of teachers in the last 10 years, buddhist, christian mystic, advaita, etc.... they are all blunt, direct, to the point and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Of course here's the "kicker" !!!!! Everything they've said, has always been followed by, "go within and see for yourself if it is true."

I have gone deep within and found that "I" is just an illusuory construct, that there is a source of thought (though the taproot has not yet been pulled out permanently with me), that there is a source of emotion from which they all arise, that there is a source for the life force that animates the body which can be accessed & manipulated, that there is grace that descends upon one from the other side and cleanses out the vices, replacing them with virtues (to certain degrees).

I'm no different. Go within and see if these things are true. Just echoing what Buddha said, who also extolled to check his teachings as your own verifications within. There's a number of people who have tried Mahasi and started getting the fruits of it, or who have accessed the same depths and insights, and are in complete agreement.

The ones not agreeing, are those who think this is all B.S. via hardened skepticism, or those who have reached one level of depth and as an illusion, think it is the end all be all.

OF course, this all comes down to Full Blown Enlightenment, and not many really care to see as a direct experience if this is really real. Most prefer intellectual masterbatory dissertation based debates.

I have found a source to come through our sun into the planet grid then manifest through us as humans. Inside the sun there is what I could only call a black hole. I cant go any further than that.

dominicus

Visitor2012
reply to post by dominicus

 

Conquering your mind, thought and emotion has nothing to do with enlightenment. It's the exact opposite.

who said anything about "conquering" any of these?

You eventually find the source of mind/thought within, and the source of emotion within. Once these locations are found, enter into them and pull out the taproot, then the whole tree falls to the ground, perfect brilliant stillness, no more arisings. Its in virtually ALL Of the advanced teachings.

This whole neo-adviata fad that tolle started is going to fall away one day, since so many people are arriving at half-arse realizations and claiming them to be the end all be all via mental self justifications.

Try the Mahasi Method for 30 days and you'll find, gain access to, and unravel things within, that the No-I'ers have no clue about because of the self justification that there is nothing more to see, unravel, or deeper depths to plunge.

You've read far too much into what I said which was true. If you don't think it aligns with the point of the OP, then let's just leave it there shall we? I don't want to hear about any of your ridiculous paths. Because the whole shebang was within you the whole time , completely accessible at any time. Not everyone needs a path to see it or experience it. Some people actually retain it from the day they were born, some catch on quicker and others are just lucky and get suddenly struck by it. And yes, there are those who think people who jump from path to path to get temporary fixes of spiritual highs, are complete fools. And yes, I am one of them.

Don't assume I need a master, a path or a teaching just because I express my opinion. And as far as I can tell, you seem to be on the pursuit yourself, you're a disciple or a follower of truth. Which means you are admittedly and utterly clueless. Was the wonderful 'Mahasi Method' not enough for you? If you found enlightenment, then what the heck are you still looking for? What's the guru count so far?

I said that enlightenment has nothing to do with conquering the mind, and I was right. If that isn't what the OP was trying to say, then let's just agree to disagree and move along...

Visitor2012

I said that enlightenment has nothing to do with conquering the mind, and I was right. If that isn't what the OP was trying to say, then let's just agree to disagree and move along...

edit on 10-3-2014 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)

Wut...lol

I can read this as enlightenment just being a label but it is also heavily associated with illuminating the brain, which is blood flowing to regions of the brain.

reply to post by Visitor2012

devil's advocate

part of enlightenment = a conquered mind.

Why not? Complete self mastery is a possibility.

Other than that I'm not assuming anything about you, and you can feel free too assume whatever you want about me, though assumptions are merely imaginary constructs, and hence not true.

As for teachers, when I started and got to the Dark Night, I had a teacher who got me out of it and on to the next.
Later when I needed help realizing that "I" is a concept, someone else came along with all the proper pointers.
Even later still, when I sensed there was something even prior to Oneness, I sought out those who found this to verify it.
And even now, when I come across things like the source of thought or emotion or vitality, I verify with teachers of various paths who have accessed this and cut the taproot.

Why bias myself with my own illusions, if I can verify amongst a number of enlightened folks? Doesn't science use the scientific method with a number of scientists to verify findings?

UltraverseMaximus

Visitor2012

I said that enlightenment has nothing to do with conquering the mind, and I was right. If that isn't what the OP was trying to say, then let's just agree to disagree and move along...

edit on 10-3-2014 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)

Wut...lol

I can read this as enlightenment just being a label but it is also heavily associated with illuminating the brain, which is blood flowing to regions of the brain.

I'll leave you to define what enlightenment is. But it isn't about fighting, conquering and controlling the mind and it's thoughts. Transcendence of mind not conquering of mind.

Visitor2012

UltraverseMaximus

Visitor2012

I said that enlightenment has nothing to do with conquering the mind, and I was right. If that isn't what the OP was trying to say, then let's just agree to disagree and move along...

edit on 10-3-2014 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)

Wut...lol

I can read this as enlightenment just being a label but it is also heavily associated with illuminating the brain, which is blood flowing to regions of the brain.

I'll leave you to define what enlightenment is. But it isn't about fighting, conquering and controlling the mind and it's thoughts. Transcendence of mind not conquering of mind.

edit on 10-3-2014 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)

Yeah no need to fight words or labels.
My experience, there were two versions of me at the top of my mind 'pyramid'. I had to come to an understanding I guess is the better term than conquering or doing battle. But it was in the mind so, without all the people pretending to be this or that on the internet I could not have extracted all the information to work with.

dominicus
reply to post by Visitor2012

 

devil's advocate

part of enlightenment = a conquered mind.

Why not? Complete self mastery is a possibility.

Other than that I'm not assuming anything about you, and you can feel free too assume whatever you want about me, though assumptions are merely imaginary constructs, and hence not true.

As for teachers, when I started and got to the Dark Night, I had a teacher who got me out of it and on to the next.
Later when I needed help realizing that "I" is a concept, someone else came along with all the proper pointers.
Even later still, when I sensed there was something even prior to Oneness, I sought out those who found this to verify it.
And even now, when I come across things like the source of thought or emotion or vitality, I verify with teachers of various paths who have accessed this and cut the taproot.

Why bias myself with my own illusions, if I can verify amongst a number of enlightened folks? Doesn't science use the scientific method with a number of scientists to verify findings?

When it comes to existence, science hasn't verified a damn thing. IMHO Transcendental experiences on the other hand, can provide lifetimes worth of clarity in a single moment. But I don't believe anyone who says they can make enlightenment happen with just a few steps. I think its damn near criminal. When it is 100% grace and pure luck to stumble into it.

Look at all the masters in history. They were fools who stumbled into truth. Nothing more, nothing less. It can happen to anybody, and it does ALL the time. Yet, hardly any of them have been successful helping others becoming enlightened. And rightfully so. These paths are ones that lead you to peace and grace, but that is ONLY the fertile ground which allows for the possibility of enlightenment. The goal the paths (hopefully) is to allow you to attain a state which makes you absolutely receptive to the possibilities of enlightenment, not to actually achieve it through your own effort.

In my opinion of course..

Visitor2012
reply to post by dominicus

 

Conquering your mind, thought and emotion has nothing to do with enlightenment. It's the exact opposite.

Perhaps this is why dominicus feels he has only had glimpses. I feel he is seeking just the blissful state.

Itisnowagain

Visitor2012
reply to post by dominicus

 

Conquering your mind, thought and emotion has nothing to do with enlightenment. It's the exact opposite.

Perhaps this is why dominicus feels he has only had glimpses. I feel he is seeking just the blissful state.

glimpses of what's prior to the no-I/Oneness state.

where you are currently at, is permanently established here. that's why I get you completely, and get the illusions that come with it, (something perhaps you refuse to acknowledge for some reason?)

glimpses = seeing what is prior to what you currently see, including dipping into the sources of 1.thought 2. emotion 3. life energy which animates the body. 4. source of kundalini. 5. much much more, but then again this is about pointing to the illusions one can create by thinking they are at the end, and not a pickle measuring contest

But hey, what do I know since there is "no one to know it and nothing else to see" !!!

and the videos/references you posted, are from people established in the no-I/Oneness. Go to any serious Buddhist monastery and tell them where you currently are....they'll tell you, "keep going."

Itisnowagain

Visitor2012
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Conquering your mind, thought and emotion has nothing to do with enlightenment. It's the exact opposite.

Perhaps this is why dominicus feels he has only had glimpses. I feel he is seeking just the blissful state.

Most of us are seeking as much pleasure as we can get, some just pretend they're not . Even so, there are masters who purposely dwell and explore the limitless blissful states. Like a mountain climber who enjoys climbing higher and higher mountains. They are aware that they will never reach the end, but they have an adventurer's spirit and they take pleasure in attaining higher possibilities. This is a temporary state, and it can only be done in the most quiet, well guarded places and you would need a person to feed you (few grains of rice) every now and then. Maybe a handful still do it the old school way, completely alone and isolated in nature with no physical nourishment whatsoever. For these "adventurous" masters, they are just BARELY hanging onto their bodies, because the higher they are the more disconnected to the human body they become. Some of them wear rings or chains to stay grounded to their bodies.

Astral projectors and OBE'ers can testify to the occasional difficulty of coming back in to the physical body after a journey in the subtle ether (4th & 5th dimensional planes and above). Well these people achieve even higher levels of bliss, and depending on how long they can stabilize themselves through the journey (serious meditative state), when they come back down it is a very delicate and gradual stepping down. So even masters seek the ecstasy, the difference between them and us is that they do it for fun and for the sake of adventure. We do it because without it, we're miserable and suicidal. Big differences there.

dominicus
Prior to Enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water.
After Enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water.

There is no end - there will always be a deepening.
To say it can be achieved extremely fast (15 - 30 days) is misleading.

reply to post by Visitor2012


So what you wrote there in this post, where does it come from? Did you figure it out by yourself or with help? I get the feeling that you are making this up. I mean how the hell can you mistake enlightement with pleasure? Ecstasy? Bliss? AH! No doubt you can find euphoria in these states of mind but i would argue the so called enlightened's goal and mind if all he wanted was "pleasure"... I dont get all these people that got the stupid idea that being enlightened is happiness and "bliss". What an utter BS it is. New age at its best, master in lie, confusion and especially false-hope.

Enlightenment is just a word for a state that can be reached in many ways. As you say some are lucky and through their past experiences, current state of mind, knowledge, intentions, actions, they sometimes find it. Others will reach it by intense training and strict control of their mind and body. But its only when you fully master yourself that it really begins. And since most people got the wrong idea that enlightenment is happiness and "a better comfortable peace of mind", they get nowhere. Its more more and more. But what it is not especially, a finality. Thats from there you only start living. But there lies the problem.

Life, existence, being, are things that are vastly underestimated. It is not what you see, believe, feel, expect, hope. It is one hell of a mess that a normal minded human cannot bear. I repeat myself but the reason is plain simple. And thats why most wont get past a point. Reality fails to meet human's expectations. Hence the gods, evolution, domination, pleasure, entertainment,... all pretty nice appealing poisons to make you go deeper in the illusion, which is to forget your own powerlessness and insignificance. When you dislike reality and know you cant change it what do you do? Yeah you divert your attention.

From where did you get the idea of Xth dimension? You know astral projection gives you access to "everywhere, anywhere and nowhere"? The fact that someone goes in such world doesnt show anything. In astral travel, you fly as you walk in the physical; you teleport, as you use your car in the physical; you switch to others worlds/dimensions, as you take a plane in the physical. Are you proud when you walk? Drive? Travel by plane? Seems common enough no? Same goes with astral travel. Stuff to do there. But it is not whats gonna elevate you. Its not whats gonna open your eyes. Its just a tool. It helps. Its not a finality .

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And since most people got the wrong idea that enlightenment is happiness and "a better comfortable peace of mind", they get nowhere. Its more more and more. But what it is not especially, a finality. Thats from there you only start living.

BOOM!!!!

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Earlier on in the thread you imply that 'seemingly negative emotions' can be escaped - now you say BOOM to someone who states:

And since most people got the wrong idea that enlightenment is happiness and "a better comfortable peace of mind", they get nowhere.

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Its more more and more. But what it is not especially, a finality.

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Itisnowagain
There is no end - there will always be a deepening.
To say it can be achieved extremely fast (15 - 30 days) is misleading.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

To say it can be achieved extremely fast (15 - 30 days) is misleading

it happen in one single instant for you correct? (The No-I state) ...it did for me, quick, instant.....but without seeing or knowing the source of thought.

So if its one instant, why would 15-30 days be so hard to believe?

It was Mahasi Noting that gave me access to where thoughts arise from within the body/mind complex. Had I not added that to a repertoire of checking my states/biases against the insights of those who are further along than me, I would never know about deeper & grander inner aspects and would be deluding myself