What are Democrats "demanding" in this government shutdown standoff?

What are the democrats asking?

Complete total submission, surrender, compliance and subservience. That's what they're asking!

Right here, right now, today you can see the founders ideas at work.

#1 preventing a majority (senate and executive branch) from having tyrannical rule.

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InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by AlienScience

 

As I understand, they want to postpone the ACA law 1 year for individuals. So instead of working through legislative channels, which they've failed at numerous times, they are attacking the government itself.

A lot of things I read here are supportive of various forms of adverse action against government.

The CR is LEGISLATION, they are working through legislative channels. The idea of the "legislative channels" was when there is disagreement the two sides would negotiate a compromise

Not ""my way or the highway" dingey Harry and Obozo

Technically, you are correct, however using the debt ceiling exercise as a negotiating tactic is bad faith negotiation. IMO, the term "hostage taking" is a bit hyped up, but in terms of negotiation, coercion is absolutely out of bounds. If you've ever negotiated anything, I believe that you would understand that. Try this with a car dealer: They propose a price and you come back with "did I mention that my spouse is an IRS agent".

AlienScience
reply to post by InverseLookingGlass

 

You may have mis-read the thread...I'm asking what the Democrats are demanding, not Republicans.

What you stated is what Republicans are demanding...and yet there are some people claiming that the Democrats are the ones demanding something and not budging until they get it.

I'm simply asking those that support the Republicans to tell me exactly what they are demanding. So far, no specific answers.

Democrats are "demanding" that the debt limit be increased. This is obvious, so what is the real purpose of the OP?

reply to post by yuppa

Stop playing coy. you know damn well what I meant. The satus quo the democrats had when they had a super majority is what they would actually like again,but seeing as how they dont have that they want the republicans to turn Rhino and just go along and do what the democrats want them to do. And that is passing laws and bills the democrats want. I hope that explains it clear enough because if ti does not you are trolling and are not worth anymore of my time.

So what legislation are the Democrats trying to pass right now?

What are they demanding the Republicans pass before they will pass a funding bill for the government?

Phoenix
What are the democrats asking?

Complete total submission, surrender, compliance and subservience. That's what they're asking!

Right here, right now, today you can see the founders ideas at work.

#1 preventing a majority (senate and executive branch) from having tyrannical rule.

Any specifics would be great.

What exactly, in this CR, have the Democrats put in that demands complete submission???

Why is it so hard for people to come up with specifics instead of just vague political rhetoric???

reply to post by InverseLookingGlass

Democrats are "demanding" that the debt limit be increased. This is obvious, so what is the real purpose of the OP?

Nope, the debt limit is not part of this government shutdown at all. That debate will start in the next few weeks.

What is obvious, is that you are ignorant of the facts...and yet you state it so confidently. But you have just displayed that you really have no idea what is actually going on.

jjkenobi
reply to post by AlienScience

 

I think you have posed a great question. The Democrats shut down the government because they want ...... nobody knows! Why did they do it? Why didn't the Democrat controlled Senate pass any of the 4 bipartisan bills the House sent over? It sure seems to me they wanted a shut down just for the sake of a shut down.

Well, let's walk through this logically.

If the Democrats don't want anything or are demanding anything...how can they be responsible for the shutdown???

The Republicans are demanding modifications to the ACA before they will pass a funding bill.

There have been no bipartisan bills passed from the House, just pure partisan bills that include modifications to the ACA within a government funding bill. The Senate removed those sections and voted to approve everything else and sent it back to the House. The House could have voted on that, but instead they put the items that the Senate removed right back into it.

So like you said, the Democrats are not demanding anything...it is the Republicans that are demanding something before they pass the funding.

reply to post by xstealth

The democrats illegally allowed exceptions for businesses and put a one year delay on business compliance, this is unacceptable.

The Supreme court would disagree with you. They ruled that the ACA was constitutional.

Phoenix
What are the democrats asking?

Complete total submission, surrender, compliance and subservience. That's what they're asking!

Right here, right now, today you can see the founders ideas at work.

#1 preventing a majority (senate and executive branch) from having tyrannical rule.

Drama Queen much? Because you have the Republicans and Democrats mixed up on this one. The TP are the ones acting tyrannical now. They are the ones that think the country should serve the interests of a small portion instead of letting majority rule like it's supposed to in this country.

You have asked a simple straight forward question and the Democrats can not answer it. LOL!! You rock.

In my opinion, the Democrats are asking Americans to lay down and die, or roll over and die, or just work like slaves on their Democrat plantation and die. Republicans are the true Americans with the spirit of building and creating the world with freedom and liberty for all. Democrats only want you to give up and give in until you give out. It is obvious to us who are watching and thinking. There is a cold war of ideology taking place.

XXX777
You have asked a simple straight forward question and the Democrats can not answer it. LOL!! You rock.

In my opinion, the Democrats are asking Americans to lay down and die, or roll over and die, or just work like slaves on their Democrat plantation and die. Republicans are the true Americans with the spirit of building and creating the world with freedom and liberty for all. Democrats only want you to give up and give in until you give out. It is obvious to us who are watching and thinking. There is a cold war of ideology taking place.

Do you know what is really funny?

You got this completely backwards. I actually asked Republicans what they think Democrats are demanding because they keep accusing them of not funding the government until they get their way. And you know what...not a single Republican, not even you, can give me an answer.

So congrats on the failed reading comprehension, and thanks for proving my point that the Republicans have no freaking clue what is going on.

And yes, I do rock.

Democrats are demanding that representatives go against public will.

Looks like people have been against the shammy-schlock PPACA deal from the beginning !!!



Hmmm.

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The bill is passed, there is nothing to do about it now.

The Democrats are not demanding anything except to allow laws that have been passed to be implemented and not messed with by threat of a government shut down.

Another thing, those polls don't show why people don't approve of the ACA...many don't approve of that there is no public option or that it isn't a single payer.

Besides, governing by polls is bad governing.

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thisguyrighthere
Funding of non-essentials is enough to bother me.

Like America is a full service gas station and if we didnt hire all these idiots to pump gas and squeegee our windshields with dirty water the world would end?

Anything identified as "non-essential" should be permanently eliminated. They're suposedly working for me, right? Well, I'm not running a charity.

800,000 non-essential federal employees at an average federal employee salary of $70,000 is $56,000,000,000 a year in non-essentials.

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Some people seem to misunderstand non essential, I was non essential in the military, meaning my job was not necessary for the day to day operation of the military. However, as the equipment I had calibrated expired, many others on the base would not be able to perform their jobs. Non essential does not mean, not needed, however you can operate a short time with out them.

WIC is now shut down, does this affect old rich white guys, no it doesn't. However, when I was enlisted in the military, we relied on it for periods of time, so now the shut down is affecting veterans. It is also affecting those living in poverty, doesn't affect old rich white guys at all, so they are in no way bothered. Lets stop corporate handouts, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, price supports for big ag, and lets spend our money on the old, unable, and young.

The Dems haven't demanded anything in this argument, they have done nothing but try to prevent the old rich white guys from further harming those at the bottom of the economic ladder. And then to try and attach anti contraceptive amendments to it. Every repub has something to be proud of tonight, their leaders have proven time and time again that they hate poor people, women, gays, and minorities. Time to hold your heads high, and applaud the old rich white guys.

XXX777
You have asked a simple straight forward question and the Democrats can not answer it. LOL!! You rock.

In my opinion, the Democrats are asking Americans to lay down and die, or roll over and die, or just work like slaves on their Democrat plantation and die. Republicans are the true Americans with the spirit of building and creating the world with freedom and liberty for all. Democrats only want you to give up and give in until you give out. It is obvious to us who are watching and thinking. There is a cold war of ideology taking place.

The question was asked to the Republicans, not the Democrats. In the comments the question has been asked time and time again, and there has been nothing from the Repubs, but talking points of the Tea Party, and no answers.

xuenchen
Democrats are demanding that representatives go against public will.

Looks like people have been against the shammy-schlock PPACA deal from the beginning !!!

Hmmm.

source

I respect your stats, they are from a site I visit often, that being said. Have you actually gone out and looked at the rates under the ACA, I have and let me give you a personal example.

My wife and I both work for small companies, 30+ hours a week, our household income around 40K a year. The last individual insurance quote I got was about 800 bucks a month, or 9600 a year, or 25% of our gross income, we are both in our 50's. Under the ACA, I can insure the wife for about 25% of that, or 200 dollars a month, and I am covered by VA.

The TP groups led by the Koch brothers have spread so many lies about the ACA, that the public opinion has turned against it. There are a lot of parts, that 80 - 90 % of Americans really like, even my brother in law making half a mil a year, and he and his family have benefited from it. I would agree that the ACA is not perfect, not even close, but it will improve the situation, and I believe it can be fixed over time, it is a starting point.

The Democrats are demanding that the House of Representatives pass a no-strings attached Continuing Resolution that doesn't delay Obamacare and in return they will accept sequestration spending levels.

In other words the Democrats don't want to "fix" anything they want to maintain the status quo of a 50% Defense spending cut and 50% domestic spending cut amounting to 1.2 Trillion over 10 years to get a reign on the growing debt of the federal government when both the House and Senate failed to pass a measure that would stop the sequestration that was agreed upon in a bill to raise the debt ceiling in 2011.

The Democrats are keeping the government shutdown by not even attempting to negotiate a new budget.

Funny how the party that created the phrase "party of No", has now become the "party of No."

Timing
The Democrats are demanding that the House of Representatives pass a no-strings attached Continuing Resolution that doesn't delay Obamacare and in return they will accept sequestration spending levels.

In other words the Democrats don't want to "fix" anything they want to maintain the status quo of a 50% Defense spending cut and 50% domestic spending cut amounting to 1.2 Trillion over 10 years to get a reign on the growing debt of the federal government when both the House and Senate failed to pass a measure that would stop the sequestration that was agreed upon in a bill to raise the debt ceiling in 2011.

The Democrats are keeping the government shutdown by not even attempting to negotiate a new budget.

Funny how the party that created the phrase "party of No", has now become the "party of No."

Many Repubs are demanding the same thing, or supporting the same thing. Something like 20 repubs in the house have come out in favor of a clean CR, Boehner won't bring it to a vote, because he knows it will pass. The Tea Party is holding the government hostage.