What are Democrats "demanding" in this government shutdown standoff?

I have been in and out of the government shutdown threads, and one thing I keep hearing from those that appear to be supporting the Republicans is that the government shutdown is caused by the Democrats because they won't negotiate until they "get their way".

I just want to ask, what is it that they are demanding and what is it that they want to "get their way" on?

I feel like I'm living in opposite world, because from my perspective, it is the Republicans that are demanding that modifications to the ACA get included into a FUNDING bill. And they won't budge from that, to the point of shutting down the government.

But please, I would like to hear what all of you who are defending the Republicans and claiming this is the Democrats just being stubborn to get what they want...what is it that you think Democrats are actually demanding???

Hmmm.

I think they're demanding that all the corruption and theft be funded to continue.

It looks like the wild binge deficit spending is *minimized*.

I can't understand why Republicans are against the wild spending agenda

xuenchen
Hmmm.

I think they're demanding that all the corruption and theft be funded to continue.

It looks like the wild binge deficit spending is *minimized*.

I can't understand why Republicans are against the wild spending agenda

Care to provide any specifics on what exactly they are demanding?

Or are you going to stick with the partisan rhetoric?

Can I just take that as an admission of defeat?

reply to post by AlienScience


As I understand, they want to postpone the ACA law 1 year for individuals. So instead of working through legislative channels, which they've failed at numerous times, they are attacking the government itself.

A lot of things I read here are supportive of various forms of adverse action against government.

The Republicans control the House.
The Constitution says the House controls the "purse strings", they get to decide what gets spent for what and how much.
The President and the Senate can ask for money, but the Constitution gives control to the House.

The House being ELECTED every 2 years was seen as most responsive to the American people, if the people want nothing spent on whatever program or department it the Constitutional duty of the House to defund it.

It's called Checks and Balances

InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by AlienScience

 

As I understand, they want to postpone the ACA law 1 year for individuals. So instead of working through legislative channels, which they've failed at numerous times, they are attacking the government itself.

A lot of things I read here are supportive of various forms of adverse action against government.

The CR is LEGISLATION, they are working through legislative channels. The idea of the "legislative channels" was when there is disagreement the two sides would negotiate a compromise

Not ""my way or the highway" dingey Harry and Obozo

reply to post by InverseLookingGlass


You may have mis-read the thread...I'm asking what the Democrats are demanding, not Republicans.

What you stated is what Republicans are demanding...and yet there are some people claiming that the Democrats are the ones demanding something and not budging until they get it.

I'm simply asking those that support the Republicans to tell me exactly what they are demanding. So far, no specific answers.

emmarx1
The Republicans control the House.
The Constitution says the House controls the "purse strings", they get to decide what gets spent for what and how much.
The President and the Senate can ask for money, but the Constitution gives control to the House.

The House being ELECTED every 2 years was seen as most responsive to the American people, if the people want nothing spent on whatever program or department it the Constitutional duty of the House to defund it.

It's called Checks and Balances

So what are Democrats "demanding" exactly???

Why is this such a hard question for you guys to answer?

emmarx1
The Republicans control the House.
The Constitution says the House controls the "purse strings", they get to decide what gets spent for what and how much.
The President and the Senate can ask for money, but the Constitution gives control to the House.

The House being ELECTED every 2 years was seen as most responsive to the American people, if the people want nothing spent on whatever program or department it the Constitutional duty of the House to defund it.

It's called Checks and Balances

Neat point: Checks and Balances

And since the Congressional districts are generally equal by population, it makes sense to see that the majority in the House actually represent the majority of the population IMO.

It looks like the Democrats are *demanding* that the House Republicans should go against the majority of represented citizens.

IMO, the *out of balance* at the Federal level lies within the Senate.

AlienScience

emmarx1
The Republicans control the House.
The Constitution says the House controls the "purse strings", they get to decide what gets spent for what and how much.
The President and the Senate can ask for money, but the Constitution gives control to the House.

The House being ELECTED every 2 years was seen as most responsive to the American people, if the people want nothing spent on whatever program or department it the Constitutional duty of the House to defund it.

It's called Checks and Balances

So what are Democrats "demanding" exactly???

Why is this such a hard question for you guys to answer?

They demand the staus quo and the republicans to rubber stamp everything they want to pass. Thats it.

reply to post by AlienScience


By refusing to pass the budget, the Democrats are demanding to be exempt from the ACA, demanding that Americans be forced to purchase health care whether they need it or not, demanding that we fork over cash to the health insurance companies (those corporations are the ones who wrote the bill).

Does that answer your question.

To be fair, the Republicans are only against it because it is coming from the Democrats.

In a nutshell, both sides suck and at the end of the day the people will lose.

yuppa

AlienScience

emmarx1
The Republicans control the House.
The Constitution says the House controls the "purse strings", they get to decide what gets spent for what and how much.
The President and the Senate can ask for money, but the Constitution gives control to the House.

The House being ELECTED every 2 years was seen as most responsive to the American people, if the people want nothing spent on whatever program or department it the Constitutional duty of the House to defund it.

It's called Checks and Balances

So what are Democrats "demanding" exactly???

Why is this such a hard question for you guys to answer?

They demand the staus quo and the republicans to rubber stamp everything they want to pass. Thats it.

They do?

What exactly are the Democrats trying to pass right now that they are demanding a "rubber stamp" on?

reply to post by watchitburn

By refusing to pass the budget, the Democrats are demanding to be exempt from the ACA

LOL, what?

The Democrats are demanding to be exempt from the ACA???

This is comedy gold.

Does that answer your question.

No, not really.

Are you saying that the Democrats have put an exemption for themselves into this CR and are demanding it gets passed with that included?


It's amazing that a simple question can expose so much in such a short time.

The house is doing what they were elected to do. 3 years ago, we had a democrat controlled house, which passed ACA.

The people spoke and elected Republicans to repeal Obama-care. They haven't been successful yet, but they are requiring to make all people subject of ACA, and the democrat politicians don't want to be a part of it.

The democrats illegally allowed exceptions for businesses and put a one year delay on business compliance, this is unacceptable.

AlienScience
~snip~

Can I just take that as an admission of defeat?

DEFEAT?!


Totally off topic, so I won't be hurt or surprised if this post gets deleted, but I HAD to chime in here.

What's the freakin' deal with so many people around here these days figuring that a discussion is something to be "won" or "lost"?

To me, that's like 90% of the goddam problem these days, that nobody is listening to anybody else, it's all about the beat down and defeating your....who???....the people one has sparked up a conversation with? How nice!

MUST...

DEFEAT...

ALL...

OPPOSING...

VIEWPOINTS!!

Christ Almighty!

/rant off/

xstealth
The house is doing what they were elected to do. 3 years ago, we had a democrat controlled house, which passed ACA.

The people spoke and elected Republicans to repeal Obama-care. They haven't been successful yet, but they are requiring to make all people subject of ACA, and the democrat politicians don't want to be a part of it.

The democrats illegally allowed exceptions for businesses and put a one year delay on business compliance, this is unacceptable.

The people didn't speak enough to vote out Obama...the ACA is not being repealed while Obama is in office. And it isn't going to be repealed after he is out either, unless it is to move to a single payer system. There is no going back to the old way, it is logistically not possible.

And what is this new talking point that the "democrat politicians don't want to be part of it"? Where is this coming from?

Once a law is passed, the implementation of that law falls under the powers of the President...nothing illegally was done.

But you didn't answer the question...what are the Democrats "demanding"?

Its a very good question OP.

I just sit here and watch the theater. And right now i just can t see a difference between the US and let s say Somalia. Both broke, both with an extremely careless, arrogant and useless government.

For polititians who put the job of 80 000 people on risk, just because of bipartisan issues, they should loose their income. Period.

To answer your question: Dems are not demanding anything. Reps want to block Obamacare, despite its not the time, its not the subject and it s a LAW.

I think john stewart hit it again:
John stewart daily show on shutdown

Funding of non-essentials is enough to bother me.

Like America is a full service gas station and if we didnt hire all these idiots to pump gas and squeegee our windshields with dirty water the world would end?

Anything identified as "non-essential" should be permanently eliminated. They're suposedly working for me, right? Well, I'm not running a charity.

800,000 non-essential federal employees at an average federal employee salary of $70,000 is $56,000,000,000 a year in non-essentials.

AlienScience
They demand the staus quo and the republicans to rubber stamp everything they want to pass. Thats it.

They do?

What exactly are the Democrats trying to pass right now that they are demanding a "rubber stamp" on?

Stop playing coy. you know damn well what I meant. The satus quo the democrats had when they had a super majority is what they would actually like again,but seeing as how they dont have that they want the republicans to turn Rhino and just go along and do what the democrats want them to do. And that is passing laws and bills the democrats want. I hope that explains it clear enough because if ti does not you are trolling and are not worth anymore of my time.

reply to post by AlienScience


I think you have posed a great question. The Democrats shut down the government because they want ...... nobody knows! Why did they do it? Why didn't the Democrat controlled Senate pass any of the 4 bipartisan bills the House sent over? It sure seems to me they wanted a shut down just for the sake of a shut down.