It is time to expose the secret societies

reply to post by network dude


I don't care about any secret or public societies that Kennedy may or may not have been associated with. He had the intelligence, the character, and the inclination to be just as good a president as he was a man. He proved it, right up to the end of his days.

Whether or not he was a member of a secret society is irrelevant to the point I was making. It's not what he had, but what he did with it that I'm interested in.

LABTECH767
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

Actually we both know full well it is the truth, but the sword of truth doth cut both way's,

ORLY? I never would've thought truth is variable in that regard. In my experience, that which is in the opposite direction of truth is lies.

Go figure. Guess I've lived a sheltered life

LABTECH767
MASONRY is a cult religion,

Uh...no. Freemasonry is a moral fraternity made up of men who who believe in the Supreme Creator of the Universe, addressing Him by the name they know Him by. How else do you explain Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, etc Masons all pulling together, never devolving into 'my religion is the true religion' bickering?

LABTECH767
The worship of LUCIFER the fallen angel can trace it's origins back not to the german lodge but the English lodge of the 17th and 18th century's and the Hellfire club whom are said to have summoned Lucifer in bloody ritual's in his goat headed guise, Deny it all you want.

I highlighted the important part for you.

LABTECH767
I dabbled in Rosicrutianism and based it on an 19th century text and have found so little similarity between that and MASONRY that the so called rosicrutions such as the AMORC are merely alternative lodge and not Chaper house,

That's nice. Irrelevant though.

LABTECH767
why do you think your leaders are called DRAGON

Uh.....they aren't. Maybe you're referring to the Klan

LABTECH767
The Devil I presume.

Presume away. Seems you're not above presumption

LABTECH767
The truth will cut us both but as I am part of a group whom have already faced off some local lodge and there corruption as well as turned the gnostic table's against them using our own little 'witness' shall we say,

Ah! So you're an irregular 'mason' with a chip on his shoulder. Quel surprise!

LABTECH767
well I await your rebuttal with BAITED breath.

The odour of worms would explain much. The word's "bated".

LABTECH767
if you wish to call my faith a cult then go ahead and show your CULT's own anti christian tendency.

As an Anglican, Christianity is my faith. However, aside from not witnessing anything even remotely "anti christian' about Masonry, I've noticed that there are many similarities at the core of the world's great religions. "My Father's house has many mansions".

LABTECH767
Christ builds a house with the poor for his walls and his kingdom but your cult would only use them for the ground upon which you would walk.

LABTECH767
but some mason's and of import some masons of high rank are not good people,

This is of course by your own extensive experience, right?

LABTECH767
MASONRY is diseased and not fighting that disease.

Like I said earlier...hubris

And just to remind you of the question you've ducked answering

Fitzgibbon

LABTECH767
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

and while I hold that most masons are innocent through ignorance it is a vile institution that hid behing good deed's and civic functions while it's main purpose was to maintain the position of the Hellfire club at it's upper echelon's.

And your in-depth knowledge of the inner workings of Masonry comes from......what exactly? Your years upon years as a member? Or Google searches with a predilection for those 'answers' which support your pre-existing opinion?

Fitz

reply to post by LABTECH767

Oh, please do go on and tell me more about the group I'm actually a member of.

The only ones conforming with the continuation of a lie are anti-Masons who stick to lies that have long been debunked. For anti-Masons, the ends justify their means. I've also noticed that facts and evidence mean very little to anti-Masons which only further confirms my beliefs of the previous sentence; anti-Masons have even said as much about their dislike of facts and evidence.

Cult? Such a simpleton's expression for something he has no idea about. Masonry does not meet the basic requirements to be considered a religion. We do not worship Lucifer or rather Satan as you have them confused; Lucifer was not a fallen angel, he was a disgraced Babylonian king mentioned once in the Book of Isaiah.

Deny it all you want.

I will deny ignorance all day and your words are not evidence of itself, you need verifiable facts and evidence.

The Devil I presume.

You presume a great deal based on guesses and no fact.

the gold is the gold of OPHIR which represent's heavenly treasure and wisdom and the cross is both transition and a direct reference to the crucifixion which put's it at direct disagreement with the masone whom at upper ranks deny it ever happened showing there anti christian tendency

What are you talking about? 1) There's nothing in Masonic doctrine or ritual that denies the Crucifixion. 2) A Mason may not be Christian, but regardless, their individual opinion is not indicative of institutional opinion. 3) You have no idea about the real structure or hierarchy of Freemasonry (ie your fabled "upper ranks").

I love how you anti-Masons always infer that as one moves up the "ranks" they are somehow corrupted. We may have a few bad apples, but they are a small percentage and as I've said before, you don't burn down an orchard for a few bad apples. Also, you always talk about our corrupt leaders and yet you refuse to name them.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Kennedy wasn't against the Freemasons. His famous speech was talking about the transparency of government and the responsibility of the media with national security information. Read the entire speech, not just the edited videos, and look at who he was addressing. Plus, he was a member of a fraternity himself that could be considered a "secret society" [queue dramatic music]

reply to post by ZakOlongapo

How so? Because we're not blindly following conspiracy theories? Or that we have actual experience and knowledge on the subject and not just what others have written about.

reply to post by TheoremProved

Everything is false? So 1+1 doesn't equal 2? You know where I'm going with this, but my point is that you shouldn't speak in absolutes.

Very nice NWO theory, but your opinion of warfare of WWII shows that you have never served or that you know about the history. Also, it wasn't just the tax on tea that caused the American colonists to rebel against the English crown, but was the it was straw that broke the camel's back. In both of these instances, you are ignoring a great deal of the back story. You're also comparing political issues across a large span of time; apples and oranges.

You also seem to be mocking the immortalization of a great Founder, but overlook the fact that many are immortalized for their effects upon certain events. Was he the only one to spread the alarm of the British? No, no one has ever said such a thing. You seem to be overlooking the unpredictability of human nature.

You seem way too obsessed to argue rationally with.

reply to post by KSigMason

Kennedy wasn't against the Freemasons. His famous speech was talking about the transparency of government and the responsibility of the media with national security information. Read the entire speech, not just the edited videos, and look at who he was addressing. Plus, he was a member of a fraternity himself that could be considered a "secret society" [queue dramatic music]

I never said he was. I simply stated that I don't care what his affiliations were. The reasons you just listed above, among other things, make me wish he was still here to act as a role model for today's leaders.

reply to post by Fitzgibbon


I like your argument, it made me smile at several points but I still can not reconcile being a christian with joining an order were you can be called to serve it's master, I do know there are some fine upstanding MASON's and they I do not wish to critiscize as that is not my intention, there are also some very christian minded lodge's but if you look at the great diversity of Lodge practice and the varying chapters you will find there are indeed some very unchristian sect's among them.

Peace brother and I mean that as a christian and fellow CofE (though since the greek orthodox officially recognises CofE as the orthodox church in the west I like to think of myself along that vein), the very greatest age of MASONRY if it must be said was the christian reformist's of the 19th century whom were also mostly MASON's and I would never seek to besmirch there place in history or the good those old Lodges did but the truth of what I have said is irrefutable and amongst the mason's there are sect's which are not good, some have fallen through gnostic tradition's at there upper echelon's into a kind of occult practice and the ceremonial opening of the third eye, some do indeed deny that christ was crucified but then there are some that are not so dark or wrong and they are often the more open lodge such as those in the UK today which now accept woman members so are not regarded as real MASONS anymore anyway.

Because of my belief though and my faith I would never join and indeed have three time's turned down invitations from friend's and no I never enquired three time's though I was interested in the original Rosicrution's for a time and many lodge now think of them as another branch of MASONRY which let us be fair they are though not tied to the same membership.

You can serve only one master so let that be christ and let him be your only monarch and your only real Adonai.

AfterInfinity
I never said he was. I simply stated that I don't care what his affiliations were. The reasons you just listed above, among other things, make me wish he was still here to act as a role model for today's leaders.

Maybe you didn't know that JFK was known for boffin' the bunnies. He wasn't the unbesmirched role model you seem to be holding him out as.

Fitz

LABTECH767
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

I like your argument, it made me smile at several points but I still can not reconcile being a christian with joining an order were you can be called to serve it's master,

The Master of the Lodge rules and governs it. By your logic, how would one reconcile being a Christian while in the employ of another? There's absolutely nothing in Freemasonry that compels me to do anything immoral or against my ethics. We aren't talking about indentured servitude here

LABTECH767
if you look at the great diversity of Lodge practice and the varying chapters you will find there are indeed some very unchristian sect's among them.

For example? And don't be citing some off-the-wall-with-anti-Mason-bias site as 'proof'

LABTECH767
the very greatest age of MASONRY if it must be said was the christian reformist's of the 19th century whom were also mostly MASON's and I would never seek to besmirch there place in history or the good those old Lodges did but the truth of what I have said is irrefutable

So as long as it's Christian, it's fine. What about the Jews? Shall we exclude them from Masonry because they haven't adopted our flavour of Judaism? Or the Muslims? The Sikhs? And who're the real Christians? Catholic? Anglican? Presbyterian? Baptist?

You see a pattern developing? Mankind is too capable of myopic hate. Why is a group that pulls on the shared traditions of the world's great religions so threatening?

LABTECH767
a kind of occult practice and the ceremonial opening of the third eye,

You know this from experience, right?

LABTECH767
some do indeed deny that christ was crucified

You know this from experience, right?

LABTECH767
but then there are some that are not so dark or wrong and they are often the more open lodge such as those in the UK today which now accept woman members so are not regarded as real MASONS anymore anyway.

So women in a fraternity is OK but we don't want those other religions mixing with Christians.
Gotcha!

LABTECH767
Because of my belief though and my faith I would never join and indeed have three time's turned down invitations from friend's

The your 'friends' clearly weren't following the dictates of Masonry in that regard.

LABTECH767
You can serve only one master so let that be christ and let him be your only monarch and your only real Adonai.

Guess what? I do (as do other Christian Masons). I just don't feel the need to insist that good men of other religions are less good by simple virtue of being another religion. Christianity has enough bad 'good' men to gainsay that mindset.

Fitz

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

Maybe you didn't know that JFK was known for boffin' the bunnies. He wasn't the unbesmirched role model you seem to be holding him out as.

"Boffin' the bunnies"...that's a new one. I don't understand what you are alluding to.

I was made a MM at this lodge templumsion.com... Compared to the other lodges in my area it's a lot more esoterically minded. That's why I
like it. But guess what? After the business's is finished the lodge is open to the Public to hear the presentation or lecture. They're even allowed to stick around for the refreshments. Nothing in the lodge is hidden or changed before the public is allowed in. Other than moving some chairs around so they all face the guest presenter.


Why in the heck would such an " evil and nefarious " group of men let the public into the lodge? Break bread and have drinks with them as well .Because there is absolutely nothing to hide! These threads are exasperating to me as a long time lurker. I'm sure the other brothers would agree.

AfterInfinity
"Boffin' the bunnies"...that's a new one. I don't understand what you are alluding to.

I think he may be refering to the fact that Kennedy could not keep his pecker in his pants.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

I think he may be refering to the fact that Kennedy could not keep his pecker in his pants.

He acts as though that possibility would shock or upset me. What Kennedy did with other women is nothing I am interested in, so far as it all remained perfectly legal.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

 

I think he may be refering to the fact that Kennedy could not keep his pecker in his pants.

He acts as though that possibility would shock or upset me. What Kennedy did with other women is nothing I am interested in, so far as it all remained perfectly legal.

That's fine. Just wanted to see what moral parameters are important to qualify as a role model for you. Not that I'm judging him. And I'd have to defer to AM but at the time, wasn't such dogging around technically a chargeable offence?

Fitz

reply to post by thruthseek3r


MUCH AGREE philosophically.

Just don't see it happening.

The script--the basic outline has been set for at least 2,000 years. It IS being played out to the letter.


The oligarchy has such comprehensive, in-depth, intense power over the whole planet and in spiritual dimensions. . . . only GOD is our hope. That's always been true but HE IS DEFINITELY OUR ONLY HOPE IN THIS ERA.


This video:





Is the topic of this thread here:


www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Fitzgibbon


Perhaps. I wouldn't know. What I do know is that such an activity or pursuit is a comparatively minor infraction. Certainly nothing to make a fuss about.

AugustusMasonicus

AfterInfinity
"Boffin' the bunnies"...that's a new one. I don't understand what you are alluding to.

I think he may be refering to the fact that Kennedy could not keep his pecker in his pants.

Didn't he use the IRS to attack his political enemies, supported Nixon saying he would of voted for him if he didn't win the democratic party nomination, Bay of Pigs, his brother conducted illegal wire-tap surveillance against political opponents/Reverend Martin Luther King Jr, and may have been involved in the death of Marylyn Monroe.

We always talk about these "elite families" having power, putting their cronies/family in positions of power, and getting away with some horrible stuff which would include the Kennedy family.

I like Kennedy and I'm not trying to put him down but let's not act like he and his family are so different from the rest.

reply to post by LABTECH767

The Master of a Lodge is an elected position and serves only for a term. The whole "serving two masters" doesn't apply to Freemasonry as it is a voluntary organization and we don't force anyone to compromise their religious beliefs to be a member of Freemasonry. So your gripe with Freemasonry is with it's tolerant membership requirements that allow non-Christians to join?

...some do indeed deny that christ was crucified...

Well, Freemasonry is not a Christian order and thus those who are not Christian would not believe in the crucifixion and it's impact on the salvation of man.

It just seems to me that you are a victim of fanaticism which no matter its righteous roots never leads to anything but hatred and destruction.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by network dude

 

I don't care about any secret or public societies that Kennedy may or may not have been associated with. He had the intelligence, the character, and the inclination to be just as good a president as he was a man. He proved it, right up to the end of his days.

Whether or not he was a member of a secret society is irrelevant to the point I was making. It's not what he had, but what he did with it that I'm interested in.

edit on 7-10-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

I am glad that was what you meant. I am used to people using his speech "The President and the Press" as proof of something that it isn't. I think he was a honest man in a position that breeds dishonesty. He could have been the catalyst to much more than he already was. And he taged Marilyn Monroe. //thumbs up from Me//

I always see "Christians" saying more religious people need to come together, forget their differences, and start being more compassionate for one another, Freemasonry does just that and get's bashed by those same people. How can anyone be mad that some Freemasons aren't Christians when there are something like 21 major world religions all claiming to be the right one, heck even Christians disagree with one another? No offense to all the good Christians out there but being from the south a lot of you guys have drove me to stop attending church, pity some of you, have made others despise you, and almost drove me to be a Democrat (which is hopefully something I will never do). You guys always speak about these topics that you have no clue about it and it makes you look silly.

Sorry for the rant but come on

reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog


Thanks. As a democratic atheist, I appreciate those sentiments. T_T