It is time to expose the secret societies

thruthseek3r
With my past experience of the occult, I can assure you he is very real.

You can claim anything you want, it is all superstitious mumbo jumbo.

Answer my questions from above and address the points that refute all your lies lifted from Christian hate sites.

taoistguy
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Nothing wrong with Anarchy. I think you misunderstand it. It appears to be the best possible option if we want a fair and loving society.

Expose of secret societies does not equals anarchy I think this is mostly a mistaken statement.



Thruthseek3r

thruthseek3r
I must tell you that if you possess any psychic talents of some sorts, there are some demonic spirits in your life..

I do not so I guess I am safe from your made up army of darkness.

thruthseek3r

nancyliedersdeaddog
Why would these evil people want to join Freemasonry? Even the most anti-masons agree the vast majority of Masons are good people so I don't see how they would gain anything.

The evil people are at the higher echelons which are to be unheard of and or unacknowledged as being ever real, this is part of the conspiracy, but I think Satan will still be taken back into the pit because he was not strong enough against God when he first rebelled, I doubt he will ever be for he is part of God which created him, this is important to be mentioned.



Thruthseek3r

Why would these evil "higher echelon" masons need or want to join Masonry? If they are unheard then how do how do you and other anti-masons know about them but not actual members? How can these high up masons conceal themselves from other masons, wouldn't the secretaries/members see so and so name in the books and say who in the heck is this guy? Would these high up masons sneak into the lodge and have their own private ceremonies so they can pass through the degrees?

AugustusMasonicus

thruthseek3r
With my past experience of the occult, I can assure you he is very real.

You can claim anything you want, it is all superstitious mumbo jumbo.

Answer my questions from above and address the points that refute all your lies lifted from Christian hate sites.

I will not do as you ask me as I said earlier in a post, this is not an argumentation thread but a statement one which says the secret societies have to be exposed for what they truly are.

If no evil, fine, if evil fine too, but let them be out of the occult/hiding state. Enough of the hiding and lies which equals deceit and leave us to wondering instead of truth.

This is a call for truth not for argumentation/debate over what is and is not.

I will pray to God for you so that you get the truth concerning these topics and so you see it for yourself.




Thruthseek3r

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If those Christian hate sites can be so wrong about so many other topics then how can you say they are right about Freemasonry? You do know that all Freemasonry rituals are on the internet or in books, they have let cameras in for rituals, they are on this site and will answer almost any question, and they let people show up to their lodge and ask questions. I'm pretty sure even their books are open since they are tax exempt and anti-masons have posted the amount of money they give each year.What would Masons have to do to make you and other anti-masons feel better about them and even if they did show everything most anti-masons would say well they aren't telling us everything.

thruthseek3r
I will not do as you ask me as I said earlier in a post, this is not an argumentation thread but a statement one which says the secret societies have to be exposed for what they truly are.

Which translates into a giant troll thread as posting lies and refusing to back ones self up is nothing more than that.

If no evil, fine, if evil fine too, but let them be out of the occult/hiding state. Enough of the hiding and lies which equals deceit and leave us to wondering instead of truth.

Considering the Supreme Court ruled, in National Association for the Advancement of Colored People v. Alabama (1958), freedom of association was protected by the First Amendment and that privacy of membership was an essential part of this freedom, no one has to do anything to fulfill your paranoid agenda.

I will pray to God for you so that you get the truth concerning these topics and so you see it for yourself.

Maybe you should pray for yourself as it is obvious that the hate-filled Christian nutter sites have caused you to break one of the 10 Commandments, you know, the one about not bearing false witness.

There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
—Proverbs 6:16–19

More Christian hypocrisy.

thruthseek3r
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ex]Worship does occur in Masonic Lodges. One of the primary purposes of Freemasonry is worship. That fact is clearly stated in the Declaration of Principles which is contained on pages 37-39 of the Indiana Monitor and Freemason's Guide. (To examine the source materials, see footnotes.) Masons worship a god which they call the Great Architect of the Universe. The symbol they have chosen to represent their god is the All Seeing Eye, which the Egyptians used to represent their pagan god, Osiris. Many Masons are well aware of the pagan connection. It is clearly stated in a number of Masonic Monitors. An example is found on page 116 of the Kentucky Monitor.

Each and every Mason worships the Supreme Creator of the Universe as each understands Him. Satan is not and never has been described in such terms. Ergo, no Mason is praying to Satan.

HTH
Fitz

thruthseek3r

Fitzgibbon

LABTECH767
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While I may not full agree with these page's they nevertheless show a growing trend against the masons

Repeating a lie does not make it truth. And while the Internet is a wonderful tool for communication, such repetitions give the mistaken appearance of numbers far in excess of what are found in real life. Web pages or sites aren't anything special these days.

LABTECH767
and while I hold that most masons are innocent through ignorance it is a vile institution that hid behing good deed's and civic functions while it's main purpose was to maintain the position of the Hellfire club at it's upper echelon's.

And your in-depth knowledge of the inner workings of Masonry comes from......what exactly? Your years upon years as a member? Or Google searches with a predilection for those 'answers' which support your pre-existing opinion?

I know which I think is more likely. The hubris, it burns!

Fitz

The only hubris I found within this post was of your saying in the way you builded your sentence in order to ridicule LABTECH767.

I pointed out the presumptuousness of his opinion. That doesn't qualify as hubris.

thruthseek3r
If this is not hubris/pride, please tell me what it is. I will pray to God for you so that you see the truth of what I discussed inside this thread.

Thruthseek3r

It's called being presumptuous. And while the offer of prayer is a nice notion, you also presume that you better understand the mind and Will of the Almighty. That too is hubris.

Fitz

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There is more to Freemasonry than just the Scottish Rite, it has no authority except over the Scottish Rite. It has no authority any Grand Lodge or York Rite or any other Masonic body. I don't know why so many people focus on the numbering system of one branch. It boggles the mind to see so many misguided as to the hierarchy and structure of Freemasonry. Also, there are also no "6-hidden ones" beyond the 33rd degree in the Scottish Rite.

What do you find wrong with secrecy or rituals? Everyone has secrets and everyone has rituals. I don't know why you're trying to make them taboo when they are a natural part of humanity.

Nothing in Freemasonry violates the 10 Commandments.

reply to post by thruthseek3r

The Hellfire Club is not a high echelon of Freemasonry.

reply to post by thruthseek3r

Crowley was a weird man, but alas, he wasn't a true Freemason and had no impact upon it. His claim to fame is the OTO and whatever they do in that group.

A Brother who isn't a fan of Crowley said that "he [Crowley] thought his dick was a cure for everything."

If they are good, let them be exposed...

Except you have no right to "expose" us. In your mission, you'd violate my rights. What authority do you presume to violate our rights?

reply to post by thruthseek3r

We don't worship in Freemasonry. What are these higher echelons? I mean I belong to some groups that 1% of all Masons belong to and I have yet to see any idol worship.

Masons worship a god which they call the Great Architect of the Universe.

GAOTU is a generic term. We use it as we allow men of various faiths to join. It's not an idol or god. When we have our opening benediction I am praying to Christ as I'm Christian, but we do not force anyone faith in the Lodge as that would cause discord. Now in groups like the Templars, Red Cross of Constantine, Knights Preceptor, Royal Order of Scotland, and St. Thomas of Acon you must be a Christian to join and we pray to Christ as we are a Christian order.

The symbol they have chosen to represent their god is the All Seeing Eye, which the Egyptians used to represent their pagan god, Osiris.

False. We use the All-Seeing Eye as a generic symbol of deity. Some people have such tunnel vision and limited understanding of symbols. A symbol does not have an exclusive, solitary meaning or definition or use by any group, culture, or organization. To think the All-Seeing Eye is exclusively Egyptian or pagan (lol) is ignorant. People who use "pagan" as you have don't seem to have a strong grip on what that word means either.

Apparently it's okay to make false claims and lie as long as it furthers your cause.

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So your entire opinion is based on hypotheticals? All conjecture?

reply to post by thruthseek3r

What you believe to know is not proof. Tangible evidence is proof. Proper citation is proof.

reply to post by thruthseek3r

So you're not here to debate? You're just here to post lies and unsubstantiated accusations?

It's not for you to decide whether groups such as the Freemasons ought to meet privately or not.

Enough of the hiding and lies which equals deceit and leave us to wondering instead of truth.

False. This is just your perception. You seem like a nosey parker who needs to know everyone's business, but let me just say, you don't. You don't have any authority or rights to demand of us anything.

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Every culture calls God by a different name. What's wrong with the Egyptians calling God Osiris in their language?

And what makes you think that Osiris is a different God to the Abraham God in the first place? Who said so?

In the Jewish faith (the Talmud), when Moses crossed the Red Sea, he and his people began singing. The Lord stopped them, saying: "How can you sing while my children are drowning?

He referred to the Egyptians as His children! And you want to say they weren't?

AugustusMasonicus

The below quote is taken directly from one of the worst Jesus-nutter websites on the planet, Ephesians, ...

What always gives me a good laugh about that site is that at the top of the web page page, their motto is:
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Then, at the bottom of the page, and equally visible, they talk about copyright and say:
"Republication of our content on another web site is prohibited."

Why is republication of their content on any other web site is prohibited if their goal is to expose? Or is their goal really money?

reply to post by thruthseek3r


You are very wrong on your perception of freemasonry. You have been deliberately lied to by the very people you trust to guide your faith. I will pray for your soul and I sincerely hope that you find some guidance that follows what Jesus Christ taught, instead of the dark path you are on.

Jesus was teaching brotherly love, truth, faith, and charity. He wanted all of us to understand God, love God, and follow God's word. If you doubt me, it's in the Bible.

If you look into what freemasonry really teaches...........you might be very, very surprised. (see "what Jesus teaches")

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Actually we both know full well it is the truth, but the sword of truth doth cut both way's, I am not at all phased by ridicule as those that resort to it show themselves to have either a vested interest in perpetrating the continuation of the lie or in there own other interests which lie in conformity with the continuation of that lie.
MASONRY is a cult religion, The worship of LUCIFER the fallen angel can trace it's origins back not to the german lodge but the English lodge of the 17th and 18th century's and the Hellfire club whom are said to have summoned Lucifer in bloody ritual's in his goat headed guise, Deny it all you want.
I dabbled in Rosicrutianism and based it on an 19th century text and have found so little similarity between that and MASONRY that the so called rosicrutions such as the AMORC are merely alternative lodge and not Chaper house, why do you think your leaders are called DRAGON which is not alluding to gaelic language at all but the DRAGON and for that point whom is the real GRAND DRAGON, The Devil I presume.
In the Rosicrutian's which were actually a Marionite Gnostic sect (the gold is the gold of OPHIR which represent's heavenly treasure and wisdom and the cross is both transition and a direct reference to the crucifixion which put's it at direct disagreement with the masone whom at upper ranks deny it ever happened showing there anti christian tendency).

The truth will cut us both but as I am part of a group whom have already faced off some local lodge and there corruption as well as turned the gnostic table's against them using our own little 'witness' shall we say, well I await your rebuttal with BAITED breath.

However you will cleverly defend your CULT into which you have invested yourself even though it is a lie as is the SWORD of AURALIUS and I have no doubt that if I post to your reply is will simply spiral on as you BELIEVE or are otherwise invested in you position and the possabillity of further ascention in your CULT.

The eye only look's for one but like the mound of boulders king sysiphous was cursed to build again and again in greek mythology you will never find divinity or climb out of the hole through the fallen or the gnostic path but only through CHRIST and if you wish to call my faith a cult then go ahead and show your CULT's own anti christian tendency.

Christ builds a house with the poor for his walls and his kingdom but your cult would only use them for the ground upon which you would walk.


Like I have already said though many MASON's are actually good people and if all lodge were made up of such I Personally would have no problem with them at all but some mason's and of import some masons of high rank are not good people, now though the same can be said of any church or religion or group the core of the masonic tradition is not against this wicked streak so long as it does not turn inward and therein lies the crux of the problem, MASONRY is diseased and not fighting that disease.

LABTECH767

MASONRY is a cult religion, The worship of LUCIFER the fallen angel can trace it's origins back not to the german lodge but the English lodge of the 17th and 18th century's and the Hellfire club whom are said to have summoned Lucifer in bloody ritual's in his goat headed guise, Deny it all you want.

Is masonry a religion?

it would seem not.

But based on the end of your post where you state that you don't think all masons are bad and if they had all good men in the lodge, you would be OK with that, how is it that you would decide who is good and what would you base that on?

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If only we had Kennedy back. But perhaps the very reason we want him back is the reason he was taken from us. Quite honestly, they need to develop a Politics 101 class and make every budding politician watch that video at the beginning of every class session. Our leaders must never forget why they were chosen. They must never forget what they were chosen to do and who they were chosen to do it for. But more importantly, we must never forget - or they will redefine the position they have taken and we will be forced to pay for it.

LABTECH767
The worship of LUCIFER the fallen angel can trace it's origins back not to the german lodge but the English lodge of the 17th and 18th century's and the Hellfire club whom are said to have summoned Lucifer in bloody ritual's in his goat headed guise, Deny it all you want.

How do you summon something that does not exist?

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its pointless to argue with masonian slave( he do not know truth)...

reply to post by thruthseek3r

I will not do as you ask me as I said earlier in a post, this is not an argumentation thread but a statement one which says the secret societies have to be exposed for what they truly are.

So in other words, you just wanted to dump your garbage in the middle of the road and leave it there.

If no evil, fine, if evil fine too, but let them be out of the occult/hiding state. Enough of the hiding and lies which equals deceit and leave us to wondering instead of truth.

This is a call for truth not for argumentation/debate over what is and is not.

I didn't realize ATS approved of such methodology. What is your version of truth? What truth would you have us embrace?

I will pray to God for you so that you get the truth concerning these topics and so you see it for yourself.

I suppose I need not hold my breath in anticipation....

AfterInfinity
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If only we had Kennedy back.

Why, was His secret society better than the rest?