Catholic Hatred. (Impossible Thread, Episode #2)

colbe

neno, hi,

Do you see why it is going to take God Himself to show the entire world the faith?

Hi Colbe!

You speak in a future tense ("is going to take"), where I believe it has already been accomplished. I think God has already "shown the entire world" the faith. It's not God's problem if they look, but refuse to see.

We're going to run into a problem of semantics here - we mean different things when each of us says "the faith".

This protest of the faith passed down has been going on by early heretics and awful lot since the revolt in 1517.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm a Protestant - I'm not. I'm not even a Christian - just ask adjensen. That is about the only thing we can agree on, albeit for different rationales.

So, Catholics are lying about what has been passed down even though Protestantism didn't start until October 31, 1517?

"Lying" is such a strong word. I make a distinction between "Catholics" and "The Roman Catholic Church". I believe the Roman Catholic Church is lying through it's figurative teeth, but Catholics are merely taking the bait and being led astray. Same goes for most Protestants, too. Protestantism retained the same core heresies that the Empire introduced into Catholicism during the merger of the two.

So no - I don't think Catholics are "lying". I think Catholics are good people being led astray by evil men.

So are Protestants.

How can one know, by whose authority do you speak? Think about authority.

The sheep know the Shepherd's voice.

I have but One Authority. It is by that Authority I speak.

By whose authority do you hear? That is the question.

colbe

neno,

I like that you are interested, God's grace is working on you. For a long, long time Our Lord has been
speaking pretty generally in the Protestant messages from Heaven, speaking "one" Church, of "unity" of
belief, of "new" revelation.

It's a purely academic interest, I assure you. I just wanted to know how these alleged "messages from Heaven" were being packaged and delivered from Catholics to Protestants in such a way that it would make the Protestants go "hmmm..." given the previous animosities. I have no dog in the fight, for I am neither.

There are an awful lot of self-proclaimed "prophets" running around these days. I can think of one other time in history when that was so. I've heard them "prophesize" in "charismatic" churches before, and it can be downright scary - or would be, to someone who understood what was being said, but didn't know the final outcome - to hear the calumnies being spoken in some of those "prophecies".

I tend to take it in stride, since it is a fulfillment of a more ancient prophecy recorded in the Bible, but find it interesting, the mechanics of it, all the same.

nenothtu,

Yes. Not with all of the Apocrypha, but with some of it, and more so with some Eastern works and philosophies. I guess if I had to describe it, it would best be described as "an affront to the spirit".

Yes...pretty much what I noticed except that I decided to stop reading the Apocrypha after that..though at the time I did not know why.
It was only later when I began to get a handle on certain "Eastern" works that I began to understand why.
An Affront to the Spirit indeed.

When I lived there, I could feel the history. It was palpable.

I did not realize this at first as I was very much in those early days into what I call the fast food lane of life. It was only after my awakening that I began to look down other roads. This is what lead me to Hamilton's book store...looking for reading material off the beaten path of most fast food lane people and Ideas.

I've been in St. Luke's Church, and walked the churchyard there. Lot of Masons buried there. There is an old legend that some ancient Mason manuscript is buried somewhere in that churchyard, in one of the graves with one of the Masons, buried in the 1600's. That is the oldest church in America that is still in use.

Ahh...yes..so you know about the olde legends. Yes ..there was a big write up about it in the newspapers some years ago.
This kind of thing is what got me to looking a bit off the beaten path in history. I began to suspect that there are two historys out here..the one for the public and the one for someone else. Sort of like the difference in the Cubit and the Royal Cubit.

This is to what I referred to on page 25 of this thread as the "Whatever" category of religion or dogma.

Yes! That is EXACTLY the one. His dad was also named "Jack", and was a friend of mine. They also had an antiquarian bookshop on Warwick in Newport News, but sold it several years ago. Old Jack was a strong Calvinist - all five points, no compromise - and used to preach a sermon on the Reformation one Sunday out of every October (which he called "Reformation Sunday"), to commemorate the "95 Theses" of Luther.

I liked his store on Warwick Boulevard and was saddened when it closed causing me to discover his store up at Jamestown down the road from Williamsburg.

I originally went there to pick up a copy of "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike. I discovered there what a huge selection of other books he had and was to return several times.

A strong Calvinist..Wow!! I did not know that but then ..I was very newly awakened in those days. The Tulip...The five points. Yes indeed!!

Reading these olde books taught me very well how much the English Language has detiorated over the years down to a newspaper level and lower. It is very telling when one reads a book over a hundred years olde. That people who were educated had a much wider vocabulary than do we today.
This too was an awakening of sorts.

That may have something to do with Colbe's announced "Awakening", and if so, it may not be precisely what Colbe thinks it will be. That is not a new concept - in the days of Jesus, most Jews were expecting something entirely different than what they got - they expected a political Messiah, a militant leader, but got what they got, and missed it entirely because it was not what they were expecting.

I guess a thousand years from now, the tale will be told in retrospect, with the clarity delivered by hindsight.

Agree...particularly about the Jews expecting someone or something else out of Jesus. This was made clear to me when Jesus turned to go to the Synagogue or Temple rather than against Rome.

Jesus did what all the prophets before him did..rebuked the Jews for their disobedience and rebellion..failure to keep the Law of Moses and instead substituting the traditions of men.
Just as are doing the Protestants and Catholics today. Many of them without knowing it or even having a clue. And I include myself in this though I am becoming more and more aware of it.
That hidden history thing of which I speak.
What I am suspecting strongly about history is that these two are kept fighting each other ..while something else is taking place seldom seen by either and designed to be this way.

What also made me aware of this was the tenor or vibration of a conversation with a Scottish Rite Mason concerning the rift between Protestants and Catholics. That it was being kept alive in certain circles of adepts.

Sometimes I think that God has a sense of humor in this..the joke is on both of them...though the history of this and consequences of the history is often tragic.

I am strongly suspecting that you can see this hand of the traditions of men in the wars which have taken place ..particularly in the last 150 to 200 years. The years of technology and enlightenment..illumination.
This causes some to look more closely into the history between and leading up to the wars.

There are a handful of teachers researching this from a secular as well as a religious angle and also teaching this tack today..only a handful..but they are out here.

Thanks for your post,
I appreciate it,
Orangetom

orangetom1999

I liked his store on Warwick Boulevard and was saddened when it closed causing me to discover his store up at Jamestown down the road from Williamsburg.

I originally went there to pick up a copy of "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike. I discovered there what a huge selection of other books he had and was to return several times.

A strong Calvinist..Wow!! I did not know that but then ..I was very newly awakened in those days. The Tulip...The five points. Yes indeed!!

Reading these olde books taught me very well how much the English Language has detiorated over the years down to a newspaper level and lower. It is very telling when one reads a book over a hundred years olde. That people who were educated had a much wider vocabulary than do we today.
This too was an awakening of sorts.

I worked there (the one on Warwick) - sort of - for a while in the 80's. I did organization and cleanup and whatnot, and wound up getting paid in books. I thought it a bargain. One of the books was "The Spectator", printed in 1810, just about the time that English was transitioning from those funny "s" shaped f's to what we have now. You are correct - they had an entirely different level of education back then.

Jesus did what all the prophets before him did..rebuked the Jews for their disobedience and rebellion..failure to keep the Law of Moses and instead substituting the traditions of men.
Just as are doing the Protestants and Catholics today. Many of them without knowing it or even having a clue. And I include myself in this though I am becoming more and more aware of it.
That hidden history thing of which I speak.

"Without having a clue" - that's what I meant by good people being led astray by evil men, and it's not limited to Catholicism - Protestantism is guilty as well, with the root going back to the Council of Nicea, and the intrigues of that time period of flux.

It's easier to lead people astray during times of controversy and disarray, when they are floundering around for something to believe in. You simply give them something to believe in - even if it's a lie, as long as it benefits your cause - and then give them a sense of belonging, something to belong to, and you suddenly own them, heart and soul. They will then propagate your lie to the ends of the Earth, because it is what they belong to.

We saw that in the fourth century, when Catholocism usurped the church at the behest of the Empire, and we are seeing the same mechanism at play today, in Islam. In Sunni Islam, Wahabbism is on the rise, radicalizing followers by giving them a "new gospel", and a sense of belonging, inclusion in "the group" and adherence to the "groupthink". Guess who gets to set what ideas are included in the groupthink? In Shia Islam, we see the same thing in the Iranian attempt (mostly successful so far) to take over Shiism world-wide. Both are after a world-wide dominance, such as Catholicism had, and using the same methodology.

The Game never changes, only the players on the field.

Luckily, there will always be a "remnant", a vanishingly small minority - which is what a "remnant" is (i.e. "the remains") - to maintain fidelity through all the intrigues.

I am strongly suspecting that you can see this hand of the traditions of men in the wars which have taken place ..particularly in the last 150 to 200 years. The years of technology and enlightenment..illumination.
This causes some to look more closely into the history between and leading up to the wars.

True enough, and it is still at play today, behind the most recent wars.

There is always someone who wants dominance, and will use anything and anyone to get it. Even innocent people who just want something to believe in, even if that "something" is a false gospel.

orangetom1999
adjensen

What is copyrighted is the translation, footnotes or other superfluous bits, not the text.

Understand adjensen. Which is why I dont care for Bibles with footnotes. I would rather read it in the text...rather than in the footnotes.

As I recall and to my astonishment..I discovered this when reading an NIV about verse John 5:4...about the water at a well or basin being disturbed by an angel.

This passage was missing. I found it in the KJV. In an NIV it is found commented on in the footnotes. If you were reading the text and missed it...you would not read the footnote down at the bottom of the page. I just never cared for this technique..or translation technique.

It was only years later when doing some reading that I found out about Brook Foss Wescott and Fenton John Anthony Hort and their translation which became the basis of the NIV and other texts.

And over time this lead me to New Age Bible Versions by Gail Riplinger where one can see the various versions verse by verse charted side by side by the verses where one can see how the verses were changed over the years. A very interesting revelation.

Well ..nonetheless. I am not into footnote versions. I'd rather read it in the text.

By the way..before I forget...someone posted about reading the King James Version in the original English of that period. It is a labor to so do as the construction and spelling are different. As I recall..the letter F looks like an S the way it is scrolled out. Some of the other letters and word usage are different from what we know today. Takes some getting accustomed and or oriented in following it but it can be done, yes.

But I do like the King James for the way it ebbs and flows. I do not find this in the NIV or any of the other more "Modern" translations.

And I reckon I am going to open a can of worms here with this but I must needs comment here.

Colbe,

The reason Roman Catholicism selected the Biblical Canon, because she is the faith. The faith Christ established, the one and only.

What the elders taught me ..is that He is the Faith. One of this names is Faith..among many of His names.

What it states in Galatians chapter 2 or 3..is the Faith "of" Christ.

Here the word "of" ...preposition denoting posession.

Now in the new bibles..like the NIV...it says..the faith "in" Christ. This meaning our faith..not Faith as in His Faith.

Between these two..is a different bible and a different gospel.
A different faith.

One word..of or in..different result.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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orangetom, hi,

I disagree, Jesus is not the faith, He is God become man who established the faith, Roman Catholicism.

Ephesians 4:5 does not say:

One Lord, One Lord, One Baptism, it says:

One Lord, One faith, one Baptism.

Your elders taught you to deny the faith but without Roman Catholicism, you would not have your
Bible. It is so crazy to deny the authority who gave you your Bible, then declare the Bible is your
authority. It makes no sense.

Did you know, many, many Protestant ministers have converted because they finally understood the importance of authority. By whose authority do you believe what you do? The teachings of the faith
are the teachings of Christ passed down from the Apostles.

DISRAELI

adjensen
That is what I'm arguing, not what you infer about that statement, because that's between you and her.

Yes, but when we are trying to argue out the point between ourselves and her, you then butt in with a deflecting argument using a different meaning of the word "Catholic" from the one that is being diiscussed. This is not the first time you have done that.

The argument goes; Colbe; You as a Protestant should not be quoting that, because it is a [Roman] Catholic book.
Protestant; It is not a [Roman] Catholic book.
Adjensen; Ah, but it is a Catholic book in the sense of belonging to the universal church. [which is quite irrelevant, because the Protestant is not denying that point]

All this confusion of language is possible because the Roman catholic community has been trying to monopolise the word "catholic" and gloss over the existence of multiple meanings, but it does not help if you fail to recognise which meaning is being used in a particular discussion.

As for whether Colbe did mean "You Protestants have no right to quote the Bible", I think the point is adequately proved by the fact that she has posted since we had that discussion and has conspicuously failed to deny intending that meaning.
Sooner or later, you may have to steel yourself to positively disavow the more nonsensical claims of the bullying obscurantists in your community, instead of just deflecting the discussion from them.

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There is no confusion, just rejection of the faith, Roman Catholicism. DISRAELI, you are always
denying the faith stuck in playing with words instead of looking at history and the Truth. Catholic
means universal because Jesus established one faith, Roman Catholicism for ALL the world to believe.

Free will, then came heretics through history and the rejection of the faith until this day. You can change, God has given you the grace to keep inquiring, discussing. Your soul is longing, that's God.

Our Lord is not returning to proclaim, it is fine to be your own Pope (Protestantism), to be split from the authority of the Pope (the Orthodox)...why return? God is going to make it clear, ask you to become
Roman Catholic.

p.s. I never said you can't quote the Bible, it is best to quote an older Catholic Bible and only a Catholic Bible, I suggest the Douay Rheims Bible. Why? I can't speak Latin which was the language of time, St. Jerome translated the original writings into the first Bible, the Latin Vulgate.

colbe

Your elders taught you to deny the faith but without Roman Catholicism, you would not have your
Bible. It is so crazy to deny the authority who gave you your Bible, then declare the Bible is your
authority. It makes no sense.

Did you know, many, many Protestant ministers have converted because they finally understood the importance of authority. By whose authority do you believe what you do? The teachings of the faith
are the teachings of Christ passed down from the Apostles.

It sounds suspiciously like you are saying "God could not speak if the Roman Catholic Church didn't wiggle his lips".

Do you seriously believe God's word would not exist if the Roman Catholic Church had not brought it into being?

You believe God's word would have just gone POOF! and vanished from Earth if the RCC had never existed?

Where does that leave God in the equation? Is he at the mercy of the RCC?

nenothtu

colbe

neno, hi,

Do you see why it is going to take God Himself to show the entire world the faith?

Hi Colbe!

You speak in a future tense ("is going to take"), where I believe it has already been accomplished. I think God has already "shown the entire world" the faith. It's not God's problem if they look, but refuse to see.

We're going to run into a problem of semantics here - we mean different things when each of us says "the faith".

This protest of the faith passed down has been going on by early heretics and awful lot since the revolt in 1517.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm a Protestant - I'm not. I'm not even a Christian - just ask adjensen. That is about the only thing we can agree on, albeit for different rationales.

So, Catholics are lying about what has been passed down even though Protestantism didn't start until October 31, 1517?

"Lying" is such a strong word. I make a distinction between "Catholics" and "The Roman Catholic Church". I believe the Roman Catholic Church is lying through it's figurative teeth, but Catholics are merely taking the bait and being led astray. Same goes for most Protestants, too. Protestantism retained the same core heresies that the Empire introduced into Catholicism during the merger of the two.

So no - I don't think Catholics are "lying". I think Catholics are good people being led astray by evil men.

So are Protestants.

How can one know, by whose authority do you speak? Think about authority.

The sheep know the Shepherd's voice.

I have but One Authority. It is by that Authority I speak.

By whose authority do you hear? That is the question.

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I'll reply to one comment in reply to my words, the other, I can't change your mind neno so ask Our Lord in prayer if Roman Catholicism is the faith.

colbe: Do you see why it is going to take God Himself to show the entire world the faith?


I was referring to the "soon" prophesied Great Warning. Also called the "illumination of conscience." Protestants hear it referred to as the "awakening" in prophecy (private revelation). Remember, God is going to show each person on the earth the faith, warn of the anti-Christ and mercifully, show each of us the state of our soul like an NDE experience, that of seeing your life in review. Only God can do this,
many will convert, oh God's love.

The messages say to prepare, get a daily prayer life and so important, review your life, make a heartfelt confession of your mortal sins to God now! We will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins in our life review. And Catholics realize, they must go to Confession.


God bless you neno,

colbe
p.s. I never said you can't quote the Bible,

That statement is an outright lie.
Here is the quotation where you told me that i should not quote from the Bible.

colbe

In other threads, you shouldn't post from Catholic writings... More Catholic writing, don't quote it, Holy Scripture is a Catholic book.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

How clear is it possible to get? You told me in plain language that i should not be quoting from Scripture because it is a Catholic book.

It is good that you should want to back away from that particular nonsensical claim.
Now please backtrack on some of the others.

DISRAELI

colbe
p.s. I never said you can't quote the Bible,

That statement is an outright lie.
Here is the quotation where you told me that i should not quote from the Bible.

colbe

In other threads, you shouldn't post from Catholic writings... More Catholic writing, don't quote it, Holy Scripture is a Catholic book.

How clear is it possible to get? You told me in plain language that i should not be quoting from Scripture because it is a Catholic book.

It is good that you should want to back away from that particular nonsensical claim.
Now please backtrack on some of the others.

You can call me a liar, I am not. You spend your time at ATS denying the faith, Roman Catholicism while you a quote the faith, Catholic saints, Catholic councils. You can't get away from the faith. It is ridiculous
brother. Stubborn pride.

Protestantism rejected the faith

nenothtu

colbe

Your elders taught you to deny the faith but without Roman Catholicism, you would not have your
Bible. It is so crazy to deny the authority who gave you your Bible, then declare the Bible is your
authority. It makes no sense.

Did you know, many, many Protestant ministers have converted because they finally understood the importance of authority. By whose authority do you believe what you do? The teachings of the faith
are the teachings of Christ passed down from the Apostles.

It sounds suspiciously like you are saying "God could not speak if the Roman Catholic Church didn't wiggle his lips".

Do you seriously believe God's word would not exist if the Roman Catholic Church had not brought it into being?

You believe God's word would have just gone POOF! and vanished from Earth if the RCC had never existed?

Where does that leave God in the equation? Is he at the mercy of the RCC?

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You take time to reply to my response to orangetom but ignore my response to your question. I so wished you would of replied.

This is perfect example of ignoring the prophets. Don't do it neno and folks reading this thread, there is one end time. God is saying the same thing to non-Catholic Christian prophets as to the Catholic prophets. Time is short.

Go back on the previous page and look at three current Protestant messages about the Real Presence. Christ sharing again, His presence in the Eucharist is true.

colbe

I'll reply to one comment in reply to my words, the other, I can't change your mind neno so ask Our Lord in prayer if Roman Catholicism is the faith.

I did that, many years ago, which is what set me on the road I am now on.

The messages say to prepare, get a daily prayer life and so important, review your life, make a heartfelt confession of your mortal sins to God now! We will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins in our life review. And Catholics realize, they must go to Confession.

My prayer life is not just daily, it is constant and unceasing, a running dialog if you will.

My life is under constant review as well, and some times that isn't pleasant at all.

I don't know what a "mortal sin" is - sin is sin, and as near as I can understand, they are ALL "mortal" without the proper remedy.

God bless you neno,

And you as well, colbe.

I was told that if you look for bad you will find it and if you look for good you will find it as well.

I don't do "hate" well as thinking in the negative draws more negativity which is not what God wants us to do.

Philippians 4:8 (ASV) | 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

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colbe

You take time to reply to my response to orangetom but ignore my response to your question. I so wished you would of replied.

I truly do apologize - which response are you looking for a reply to that I missed?

This is perfect example of ignoring the prophets. Don't do it neno and folks reading this thread, there is one end time. God is saying the same thing to non-Catholic Christian prophets as to the Catholic prophets. Time is short.

Which prophets do you think I am ignoring? Isaiah? Zecharaiah? Malachi? Which?

Go back on the previous page and look at three current Protestant messages about the Real Presence. Christ sharing again, His presence in the Eucharist is true.

I responded to that, here. To elaborate, Protestant "prophets" hold no more fascination for me than Catholic "prophets", for I am neither. My interest in asking the original question was, as I said, purely academic. I was curious as to how Catholics were pushing Catholic doctrine through alleged Protestant "prophets".

Now, in the matter of prophets, we are instructed to "test the spirits", and I do so, in order to determine which are from God. If they say anything counter to scripture, then I place no stock in them. I count them as "false prophets". I have not ran across the pronouncements of any genuine prophets for a long, long, time, for all run counter to the faith as presented in the scripture.

We can't just accept someone as a "prophet" simply because they claim to be one - not if it is prophets of God we are seeking. There are all manner of prophets these days, but not so many prophets of God.

colbe
You spend your time at ATS denying the faith, Roman Catholicism

Just as a footnote;
How can that be true, when I spend 99.99 % of my time on this site not even talking about Roman Catholicism?
Nearly all my time is spent in, and ALL my threads in this forum are about, the presentation of general Christian truth over against the unbelievers of the world.
I find it saddening that you and people like you have no interest in supporting this common Christian endeavour, and only want to get engaged in obsessive arguments with Protestantism
You're more interested in presenting the Pope to Protestants than you are in presenting God and his Christ to the world.

Please, for God's sake (and I mean that literally) consider the possibility of working TOGETHER WITH other Christians, instead of against them.

Otherwise, I have to tell you, the attitude which you represent is the answer to the OP's question. This relentless domineering is the reason why the Roman Catholic church is feared and hated and held under suspicion.

reply to post by wildtimes

What, in your opinion, adj, is wrong with "Universal Salvation"? So it was eventually 'rejected' - but...why???

I happen to like it; you already know that.

I like it, too, but it is a dangerous thing to teach, because there is very little scriptural support for it, and the consequences of someone being convinced of it, and it not being the case, are horrendous.

One of Pope John Paul's favourite theologians, Hans Urs von Balthasar, wrote a book called Dare We Hope That All Men Be Saved? and I think that's a good way to look at it -- hope that it is the case, but live life like it is not.

reply to post by adjensen


I agree.

Will wonders never cease?

There is very little scriptural support, and it IS a dangerous thing to teach, as some will take the notion as a "license to kill". If they think there are no repercussions, there is nothing to stay their hand - live any way you like, hurt whomever you choose, and still get a free ticket for the ride to Heaven. This is not to say that all people would behave that way, but there are those who would, and that would be a danger to those around them, as well as possibly themselves.

colbe

nenothtu

colbe

It is a fact, for fifteen years of following prophecy (private revelation), the Catholic, a few Orthodox and the Protestant messages from Heaven, Our Lord states in all three over and over the Remnant IS Roman Catholic. If prophecy said something different, I wouldn't be commenting in this thread. I would be going where God's prophets said to go...

Colbe -

This IS an interesting twist of events! Could you be so kind as to point me to these alleged "prophecies" where God delivered a message to protestants through a Protestant "prophet" that everyone needs to convert Roman Catholic?

It just doesn't work for me to have that message delivered to Protestants through a Catholic "prophet" - I'm sure you can see the conflict of interest and agenda that would be involved there.

Thanks.

neno,

I like that you are interested, God's grace is working on you. For a long, long time Our Lord has been
speaking pretty generally in the Protestant messages from Heaven, speaking "one" Church, of "unity" of
belief, of "new" revelation.

But lately, Jesus is speaking about His presence in the Eucharist to non-Catholic Christian prophets
Wow!!

Three Protestant messengers receiving messages about the Eucharist. There are more, time is short. Our Lord can't say the word "Eucharist" because of disbelief, He is getting you ready to accept His presence in the Eucharist. If you can come to believe in His SUPERNATURAL presence in the Eucharist, everything else you wonder about the faith will be answered, will make sense. This is God's plan, how humble.


GBY,

colbe

p.s. I typed the in-parenthesis in Yolanda Ballard's message.

_ _ _ _ _

message/vision to Amanda Leonard


(check her blog, she reposted a 12-4-11 message) Jesus states in a vision He gave her....

"Then He took me to a huge table and I sat beside of Him and ate. He said, “There will always be enough.” For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Anyone who eats
my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in Him.57 I live because of the living Father who
sent me; in the same way, anyone who FEEDS ON ME will live because of me.” John 6:55-57...

www.timeinhispresence.wordpress.com...

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Yolanda Ballard

November 8, 2013

...For surely this is the day of the great falling away. Do not allow those
things that satisfy your flesh entice you to lose all that I died for
you to have. For I died that you would have an abundant life with peace,
joy and My righteousness flowing freely. Yes, I died that you would
have health and prosperity as your soul prospers.

But what would you give in exchange for your soul? Would it be a piece of
bread (Protestant communion) or would you choose Me, the Bread of Life (Eucharist)?
The choice is yours to make and the time is running out for those to make preparation
for what is coming on the earth. Think wisely on these things for the cost could
cause you your life!...

www.roarnworship.com...

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message to Jeff Kingshott

October 7, 2013

...NOW FEED from My Tree ALL that it bears !
For this shall Sustain you and be your Wares ,
The BREAD of LIFE That shows ME , ( SHEW BREAD)
My Completeness not just a part of My TAPESTRY ,

I AM bearing My ALL open to VIEW !
Come EAT OF ME so that I might give to others to partake of Me to !
For MY FULLNESS FIRST MUST BE UNDERSTOOD
Or it will drift by as if it is deadwood ,
So do not separate
but Come unto Me ,
For I AM Painting in you My COMPLETE TAPESTRY !

www.openheaven.com...

Your question, here is evidence, Jesus wants everyone to convert to Catholicism. He is gently preparing
Protestants in their messages from Heaven. Communion is not a symbol or remembrance of Jesus
death on the Cross (makes no sense). The Eucharist is Jesus, "Come EAT OF ME" He says.

Believe.

Neno, you don't know how happy I am you asked.

Neno's question...



Colbe -

This IS an interesting twist of events! Could you be so kind as to point me to these alleged "prophecies" where God delivered a message to protestants through a Protestant "prophet" that everyone needs to convert Roman Catholic?

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Thank you for the links. I see where you are coming from now. It's a place I will not go unless ordered to by the proper Authority, for it is a dangerous ground. I have been to some dangerous places, but they pale in comparison, because they could only kill my body.

Have a nice life, colbe.