Lt. Col. Michael Aquino Admits To "UFO" Technology Cover-Up [Whistleblower Testimony]

OneManArmy
I know Im talking about UK affairs, but it doesnt really matter what country we talk about.

The "satanic ritual abuse" scam-epidemic of the 1980s, which originated with the later-discredited Michelle Remembers, was conclusively exposed for what it was. "SRA":

• - does not exist in the United States, as reported by the FBI’s National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime in 1992, after an 11-year study. “There are many children in the United States who, starting early in their lives, are severely psychologically, physically, and sexually traumatized by angry, sadistic parents or other adults. Such abuse, however, is not perpetrated only or primarily by satanists. The statistical odds are that such abusers are members of mainstream religions ... For the last eight years American law enforcement has been aggressively investigating the allegations of victims of ritual abuse. There is little or no evidence for the portion of their allegations that deals with large-scale baby-breeding, human sacrifice, and organized satanic conspiracies.” (Investigator’s Guide to Allegations of “Ritual” Child Abuse, January 1992)

• - does not exist in the United States, as concluded by an exhaustive national study for the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect: “In a survey of more than 11,000 psychiatric and police workers throughout the country, conducted for the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, researchers found more than 12,000 accusations of group cult sexual abuse based on Satanic ritual, but not one that investigators had been able to substantiate. ‘After scouring the country, we found no evidence for large-scale cults that sexually abuse children,’ said Dr. Gail Goodman, a psychologist at the University of California at Davis, who directed the survey. The survey included 6,910 psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers; and 4,655 district attorneys, police departments, and social service agencies. They reported 12,264 accusations of ritual abuse that they had investigated. The survey found that there was not a single case among them where there was clear corroborating evidence for the most common accusation, that there was “a well-organized, intergenerational Satanic cult who sexually molested and tortured children in their homes or schools for years and committed a series of murders,” said Goodman. (Daniel Goleman, New York Times, reprinted San Francisco Chronicle 11/1/94)

• - does not exist in the United Kingdom, as reported by the British Government’s Department of Health in 1994, after a three-year investigation. “There is no evidence that these [“Satanic ritual abuse”] have taken place in any of the 84 cases studied ... The study of cases in detail showed that the Evangelical Christian campaign against new religious movements has been a powerful influence encouraging the identification of satanic abuse. Equally important in spreading the idea of satanic abuse in Britain are the professional ‘specialists’, American and British. Their claims or qualifications are rarely checked. Much of their information, particularly about cases in the United States, is unreliable.” (The Extent and Nature of Organised and Ritual Abuse, HMSO, 1994)

I have seen Paul Bonnacci's video testimony, I think calling it a fantasy is a fantasy itself.

Paul Bonacci was one of the original participants in the Franklin "SRA"-scam. I have never had any contact with him, and know little about him except that he was/is a prisoner serving time in Nebraska for three convictions of sexually assaulting a child. From the Omaha World Herald of 7/25/90: “The third indictment charged Paul A. Bonacci, 22, an inmate at the Lincoln Correctional Center, with three counts of lying to the grand jury [concerning the Franklin scam].”

I have seen one of the parents of the children abused in the McMartin preschool case speaking about she knows that her child WAS abused, and it had nothing to do with satanic cults, regardless of Ted Gundersons claims.

Claims/lawsuit-greedy parents claimed "abuse" routinely during the 1980s accusation-freeforall. They only stopped in the 1990s when [grown] children, opportunistic "therapists", and interested relatives realized that it was much easier, more profitable, and less-defensible to make abuse-accusations against parents than against strangers. McMartin was as much a shameful travesty as any of the other scams.

And as for the claims against yourself, Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You have vigorously defended yourself, and I accept that defense. There is not much worse than being labelled a paedophile, its a claim that sticks, its a disgusting charge to lay against anyone that is innocent.

Neither Lilith nor I need any "benefit of the doubt" whatever. We factually established that Chaplain Adams-Thompson's allegations were just one more disgusting scam; and if the Army had had the guts to court-martial him, he'd be behind bars for it.

But to be fair, when you "play" with satanists and found your own Temple based in theologies of a "prince of darkness", in a very fundamentalist christian country, is it any wonder that all manner of claims will be directed your way?

I didn't "play" with Satanism; I was an ordained Priest of the Church of Satan 1970-75. Neither the Church, nor the subsequent Temple of Set, ever had any criminal allegations made against them, nor did Lilith or myself personally, until Adams-Thompson decided to try it to defraud the government of a fast $3 million. Nor has the Temple since. The A-T sensationalism gave the idea to a few similar copycat-scammers, all of whom have been discredited, period.

Doesnt it come with the territory?

Only to the extent that different, unusual, or obscure religious groups may be inaccurately & unfairly targeted by the mainstream. Happened to the early Christians in Rome, later to the Jews, Protestants v. Catholics, Mormons, and currently Muslims.

lostgirl
So, how much of the "Introcaution" to Baron Rachane's book is true?

Every word, of course.

And is there any particular internet source which you feel to contain the most 'legitimate' archaeological information of the type described therein?

You might chase down some of the sources cited/quoted in Secret of the Lost Ark & Grail Mission. They're all real.

I too am a huge fan of fictional stories woven around factual history (esp. ancient history with a supernatural bent), but I prefer authors who definitively outline the true elements around which they've worked their fictions...Do you have any favorite such authors?

No names with that specialty spring foremost to mind. H.P. Lovecraft was a pioneer in mixing horror with actual New England & other locations; his R'lyeh was as takeoff on Nan Madol in Micronesia, for instance; and Abraham Merritt also used it for The Moon Pool.

There was a recent, short-lived UFO series, Dark Skies, that did a delightful job of reinterpreting historical events & personalities through the background of an ongoing alien invasion. Out now on DVD; I highly recommend it. The first season got through the 1960s. In subsequent seasons they planned to do subsequent decades; it's too bad they didn't get the chance.

For example, in one episode Bobby Kennedy, blaming Majestic for killing his brother when its cover had been blown to JFK and he was about to publcly reveal it, ordered a Justice Department raid on the Majestic HQ. Majestic then broke into J.Edgar Hoover's home and photographed him in a babydoll with Clyde Tolson. Said it would trade this file for Hoover's showing RFK's complicity in the death of Marilyn Monroe. Deal. Majestic then said to Bobby you expose us and we expose you. Mexican standoff. Majestic said, "One more thing: You resign as Attorney General. We'll rig New York and you can go be a senator from there." Deal. You gotta love it.

maquino

The "satanic ritual abuse" scam-epidemic of the 1980s, which originated with the later-discredited Michelle Remembers, was conclusively exposed for what it was. "SRA":

Please note, Im NOT talking about satanic ritual abuse, Im talking about paedophilic sexual abuse.
Its existence throughout the whole world including our western nations is no fantasy, its not a scam, yes there are proven networks of paedophile rings. There is a level in society at which people do become UNTOUCHABLE, it's a fact, it will remain a fact for a long time to come. It's a fact that I have come to accept. But that doesnt mean that the tentacles of these paedophile "networks" dont reach into those higher echelons of levels of UNTOUCHABLE.

Please understand I do not equate the rationalism of satanism with paedophilia. One is a faith belief system, the other is sexual behaviour exploiting a minor.

What two(or more )consenting adult satanists/setians get up to in their own time no matter how "fruity" is no concern of mine.

• - does not exist in the United States, as concluded by an exhaustive national study for the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect: “In a survey of more than 11,000 psychiatric and police workers throughout the country, conducted for the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, researchers found more than 12,000 accusations of group cult sexual abuse based on Satanic ritual, but not one that investigators had been able to substantiate.

12,000 accusations, and you think that nothing is going on? Just because investigators couldnt "substantiate" it, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Its like a "pics or it didnt happen" type of thinking. Whats to say the whole investigation wasnt controlled from the start, to hide incriminating evidence, not expose it. It would not be the first time.
But with the recent case of the paedophile cannibal and his "connections", things may be actually becoming a reality.
But still, I wasnt talking about satanic ritual abuse.
And who knows what the people that call themselves satanists for no other reason than a badge of honour get up to in their "interpretation" of what satanism is.
There are a percentage of people in our society that are seriously disturbed individuals, there is a supposedly "satanic" network of organised music execs, they are messing up our kids heads, with what is called modern "pop music", targeted at pre pubescent young girls, sexualizing them and planting carnal thoughts and imagery into their heads along with satanic imagery. Its becoming "cool" to want to be in the "illuminati", our kids are absorbing this "normality" at a very young age, is it any surprise they try to fit into what they see as normal.
Now where is the morality or ethics in that?
Is this the desired result of satanism and setism? Because it seems its being done in its name.

• - does not exist in the United Kingdom, as reported by the British Government’s Department of Health in 1994, after a three-year investigation. “There is no evidence that these [“Satanic ritual abuse”] have taken place in any of the 84 cases studied ... The study of cases in detail showed that the Evangelical Christian campaign against new religious movements has been a powerful influence encouraging the identification of satanic abuse. Equally important in spreading the idea of satanic abuse in Britain are the professional ‘specialists’, American and British. Their claims or qualifications are rarely checked. Much of their information, particularly about cases in the United States, is unreliable.” (The Extent and Nature of Organised and Ritual Abuse, HMSO, 1994)

Yes, its does
Haut De La Garenne
Its very organized here. Like I said I was talking about paedophilic abuse, NOT satanic ritual.

Claims/lawsuit-greedy parents claimed "abuse" routinely during the 1980s accusation-freeforall. They only stopped in the 1990s when [grown] children, opportunistic "therapists", and interested relatives realized that it was much easier, more profitable, and less-defensible to make abuse-accusations against parents than against strangers. McMartin was as much a shameful travesty as any of the other scams.

Sometimes yes, I agree. But not always. There are those that would exploit their own children for monetary gain, and yes its more likely for a child to be abused by a member of their own family than by anyone else. But that still doesnt mean there isnt an organised group of paedophiles.

Only to the extent that different, unusual, or obscure religious groups may be inaccurately & unfairly targeted by the mainstream. Happened to the early Christians in Rome, later to the Jews, Protestants v. Catholics, Mormons, and currently Muslims.

Oh yes I agree 100%. This isnt only the downfall of religious difference, it pervades all differences that are not understood. Sexuality, race, class, gender, we are divided on so many levels.
Half the problem of the world is misunderstanding, and the prejudices we create out of fear of the unknown or misunderstood.
And yes "the enemy is islam" message is being propagated through the west, and "the enemy is anything other than islam, but especially USA/Israel/UK" message is being propagated in the middle east. The problem though is people are believing their message. As long as our leadership plays on our fears at every opportunity, is it any wonder that people get a bit "jumpy", ie more emotional responsive and less logical.

Yeah, I have to re-watch Dark Skies. The J. Edgar Hoover story is intriguing. He invented that fun "dirt file" blackmail game - it seems to work quite successfully. Especially because our society is essentially ultra-conservative, so any kinky sexual things going on behind closed doors make for great fodder if caught on film - the more controversial, the better. Hoover in a dress is pretty embarrassing for him. I am sure there are all kinds of stories that involve Hoover. Like with Martin Luther King Jr. etc etc.

But back to Dark Skies... I do believe the director of that show, Tobe Hooper, who as you mentioned wanted to do a UFO story from the 1960s onward, did get another chance with the script written by Leslie Bohem which turned into 'Taken' [with Steven Spielberg as Executive Producer]. It was essentially the same premise - a mini-series based on historical events and UFO conspiracy theory. From World War II and up through 1947 and the Roswell event and on through 2 generations of different families involved. It focused on the Roswell event, and earlier UFO events like the 'Foo Fighters' in Germany, as an Extraterrestrial intervention into Earth's history, with a focus on genetic manipulation of specific bloodlines. The ultimate purpose of the genetic manipulation was to create a hybrid race capable of enormous ESP abilities. All of the "conspiracy theory" history is thrown into the mix, including MK Ultra and various PSI-related testing and reverse-engineering of the crashed saucer in Roswell. The major discoveries along the way were that the "aliens" used the power of consciousness to fly the craft, and that the energies involved with the craft itself and the ESP-related abilities caused regular humans to get sick. But not the new, evolving human-alien hybrids who were psychic and telekinetic.



It is interesting to note that the late Dr. Fred Bell claims that the episode Jacob and Jessie was based on his early life and involvement with MK Ultra. Of course, Fred Bell claimed all kinds of really far-out stuff and was very enigmatic and mysterious. He had many intelligence connections and worked in a lot of classified projects in various agencies throughout his career, mostly working on metrology and was an instrumentation expert. From NASA to Navy Labs, atomic energy labs, IBM etc. Later on he became an infamous "contactee" - alleging contact with the same Pleaidian ETs as Billy Meier. He has gone on the record as a Disclosure Project witness to testify about his own involvement in UFO/ET-related covert operations, which include stories of Black Ops targeting ET craft and shooting them down to study. This, he said, was the biggest secret involved with Black Ops and the UFO phenomenon and helped be the driving impetus behind The Disclosure Project's strong objections to space-based weapons and the targeting of ET craft. Fred Bell was also the person directly responsible for helping Dr. Greer to network with all of the hundreds of alleged whistleblowers who came to testify on May 9th, 2001 at the National Press Club.

Dr. Steven Greer goes on the record to reveal that Fred Bell was a secret Disclosure Project witness




Excerpt of Dr. F.B. testimony for The Disclosure Project

Rockwell, Lockheed, Douglas, Northrop, Gruman Aircraft, TRW. Hughes Aircraft was
involved big time. I used to work in a Hughes facility in L.A. - the one up here
at Fullerton. I worked both facilities on a lot of hush-hush projects in those days.

Steven Greer: What were they dealing with?

DR. B.: Anti-gravity. As a matter of fact, I used to go out to Hughes in Malibu.
They had a big think tank up there. Big anti-gravity projects; I used to talk to them
out there. I'd give them ideas, because they bought all my equipment.

But the American public will never, never hear about that.

I have buddies of mine that work in aerospace. We have our little get together
every once in a while. And a friend of mine flew a disc. You've probable seen that
disc, you know, from Area 51.

This flying disc has a little plutonium reactor in it, which creates electricity,
which drives these anti-gravity plates. We also have the next level of propulsion, it
is called virtual field, which are called hydrodynamic waves.

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The reason that I got exposed to that was because during my tenure with the Government, I was witnessing
some coc aine drops but didn't know what they were at the time. Later on
I found out what they were and they were down in Arkansas. I came close to it
because the black box money [rogue super secret projects funding] comes from that
[drug money].

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I work with this guy named Jim who used to work with Howard Hughes.
Howard Hughes even knew about it. Howard Hughes had Jim, a scientist I used
to work with who was definitely into anti-gravity stuff. He was way into that stuff.
And they made some real headway in it.

SG: Did Lockheed have any anti-gravity involvement?

DR. B.: Oh yeah, yeah. Magnet, this goes back to Project Magnet, and Bell
Aerospace—they did that project, Magnet. I talked to people who worked on that
over the Great Lakes. Project Magnet was the first joint American, Canadian antigravity
project. And they had an actual disc that flew.

SG: What year was that?

DR. B.: '51.

In his last years, Dr. Bell wrote an extensive book on these subjects titled The Inside Track. It is said to have stirred up a great deal of controversy. He speaks about some of the covert operations and issues raised in his book in this audio clip.

Jesse Ventura did a show called 'Death Ray Conspiracy' with Dr. Fred Bell for 'Conspiracy Theory'.

Death Ray Conspiracy

The show begins with an interview with Dr. Fred Bell, who put Jesse onto this topic. In a parking garage, Ventura asks Bell: "How do you know about this," and Bell responded essentially: "I helped develop it." Dr. Bell ended up dead two days after their interview, while yet in town.

"I was a NASA rocket scientist; and when I left that, I became a consultant in the industry; and during that time, I helped develop that ray."

"The secret beam weapon -- a death ray -- can kill. I think it's going to be used for very destructive purposes."

In-depth coverage of his mysterious death as well as a tribute to Fred Bell is posted on YouTube.

OneManArmy
Please note, Im NOT talking about satanic ritual abuse, Im talking about paedophilic sexual abuse.

I'm sure everyone would acknowledge that child abuse, including sexual abuse, is a worldwide problem. However the examples you gave above - Franklin, McMartin, Bonacci, etc. - were clearly and conspicuously part of the "SRA" scam epidemic of the 1980s. If you want to make some point about the non-scam problem, you might choose appropriate examples. And, for that matter, not in a thread concerning me, thank you.

I want to point out that there are lots of scams and disinformation on many of these subjects, and that just because I research them from time to time does not mean I necessarily believe the conspiracy theories. I just find these subjects rather fascinating, but I apologize for unintentionally derailing this thread.

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My apologies for taking this a little off thread again however, I just wanted to give a reply to your post as I think it's worthy of one and it serves to show a important point that does have relevance to UFOs etc. Whilst the FBI was off on a wild goose chase interviewing thousands of people about "satanic abuse", the actual paedophile rings were carrying on as normal and loving the fact that, the hysteria surrounding the whole episode was actually making their lives easier and the lives of the genuinely abused even harder. Concurrent with this investigation serial pederast was spending every Xmas as a guest of the then British Prime Minister and was a close friend and confidant of the heir to the British throne. When that' pederast's name cropped up in the early 1990s, with regards to the murder of abused children, the investigation was immediately shut down and the police working the case told, that's it we have the main man, they didn't, that's all we need. There are currently in Britain, 75 separate police investigations into accusations of contemporary and historical child abuse and at least one ex cabinet minister from the 1980s, is currently being investigated and charges considered, over an accusation of the rape of an over age female. No names no pack drill, however most are of the opinion that said minister seems to suffer from selective memory loss when it comes to accusations of organised abuse and child trafficking being handed to them.

Given that, it is well worth remembering the following. If object A crashes at place B then often by investigating the object C that never actually existed, crashing in the place D and providing tantalising tit bits and false trails that seem to suggest C was both real and crashed then, everyone forgets about object A and by the time the population of place B , where object A actually did crash, are heard, there's enough time passed for all evidence to have been removed and the whole episode becomes "hearsay".

In the same way, the Evangelists were doing the paedophiles a huge favour, those self same religious organisations are doing the executive a huge favour by dragging Ufology away from the core of what it should be, investigating a phenomenon without prejudice. All this guff about demons, end of times blah blah that is infesting current ufology like some rampant parasite, is doing exactly to Ufology, what the false accusations of satanic child abuse did to the general subject of the abuse of minors that is. Wasting untold time on a dead end that is not about seeking truth and justice rather, about simply pushing a religious agenda.

corsair00
Yeah, I have to re-watch Dark Skies. The J. Edgar Hoover story is intriguing. He invented that fun "dirt file" blackmail game - it seems to work quite successfully. Especially because our society is essentially ultra-conservative, so any kinky sexual things going on behind closed doors make for great fodder if caught on film - the more controversial, the better. Hoover in a dress is pretty embarrassing for him. I am sure there are all kinds of stories that involve Hoover. Like with Martin Luther King Jr. etc etc. ...

What a great post! I am going to print this one out and spend some time munching on all the goodies you included here.

In somewhat the same vein I might mention that a short time ago I bumped into this book concerning the circumstances surrounding MM's death. MM was of course a well-known obsession of Anton LaVey's [and a few other people, I think], and there have been several books and film treatments of her death, from the ordinary "accidental overdose of sleeping pills" to the extreme conspiracy theory. Helping the latter out are MM's FOIA FBI files with their massive blackouts, as Anthony Summers reprinted.

Anyway I took most of these at face value, but this Margolis one really stunned me. He's a data-addict; you know the type. Interviews, interviews, accumulates, accumulates. Stuffed everything into this book, which, not to keep you in suspense, is really damning to RFK. Has a few additional surprises, like Bobby & Jackie getting it on after Jack's assassination, if you can grok that! Anyway a fascinating read if you're inclined in that direction. I remember Sammy Davis saying, "She hangs like a bat in the heads of those who knew her."

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Doesn't the story go that, Purvis personally shot Pretty Boy Floyd in the back in that field as Floyd had seen the photos of him and Hoover in a compromising situation?

Everyone should read MindWar in its entirety and understand how the military operates before criticizing MindWar. I believe that Mr. Aquino was sincerely doing his best within his known limits when he helped research and write MW. Sure, there are better alternatives to MW but you have to understand who you're dealing with here. "The Man" ain't gonna just up and decide to send old ladies with trays of tea and biscuits into the battlefield instead of saturation bombing overnight. Babysteps. That being said, it's totally possible to use these ideas for nefarious purposes. And it would be even more nefarious than physical subjugation because at least then you know you're being forced to behave against your own will. You can't fight back against something you're not aware of.

So I'm assuming the Temple of Set does not believe in Set or any other deity as an independent non-human intelligence?

Also, just for the record, the Franklin child sex ring scandal is totally real and true. Here's the documentary produced by the Discovery Channel back in '93 which was never aired in the US for some strange reason...? I can't say whether Mr. Aquino or "Satanists" were involved, but I'm convinced that there were definitely a child sex ring going on.

maquino

OneManArmy
Please note, Im NOT talking about satanic ritual abuse, Im talking about paedophilic sexual abuse.

I'm sure everyone would acknowledge that child abuse, including sexual abuse, is a worldwide problem. However the examples you gave above - Franklin, McMartin, Bonacci, etc. - were clearly and conspicuously part of the "SRA" scam epidemic of the 1980s. If you want to make some point about the non-scam problem, you might choose appropriate examples. And, for that matter, not in a thread concerning me, thank you.

It is a fair point you make, I dont want to "bang on" about the paedophilia.
But... IMO, the whole SRA scam was an obsfuscation of the truth operation.
The SRA scam was a straw man argument easily disprovable, applied to the real scandal of organised and well connected paedophile rings. By disproving the SRA they could effectively "disprove" the paedophilia.
What I find truly remarkable is that during the whole of the witch hunt into SRA, evidence of the scandal of highly organised paedophilia was not discovered. That small fact in itself to me smells of cover-up.

And what with your expert knowledge of "psyops" I think its pretty relevant to some degree.
And also with you being a disciple of the "prince of darkness" the definitive grandmaster of deception, I hoped you may have shed some of that expert knowledge on the subject.
But that aside, the whole subject leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, I will leave it at that.

But I would much rather discuss your philosophies on MW, I think maybe that is a discussion best left for after I have read your book.
Im having a hard time tallying satanists that claim they believe in mankind as god, with no real "satan", but yet they perform magick rituals and invoke spirits, and in your own words, "the prince of darkness himself".

Im sorry Mr Aquino, you are a very enigmatic person, there are a few subjects I would like to discuss with you, Im sorry if I drift off topic. But I will buy your book, just to try and get a little insight into how your version of perception control/propaganda/public relations/thought policing works.

ultimafule
Also, just for the record, the Franklin child sex ring scandal is totally real and true.

Not in the opinion of the Grand Jury investigating it.

OneManArmy
What I find truly remarkable is that during the whole of the witch hunt into SRA, evidence of the scandal of highly organised paedophilia was not discovered. That small fact in itself to me smells of cover-up. And what with your expert knowledge of "psyops" I think its pretty relevant to some degree.

If you have evidence of "highly organized pedophilia", take it to law enforcement. And this has no "relevance to my knowledge of PSYOP" whatever. U.S. Army PSYOP has nothing whatever to do with pedophilia, period.

And also with you being a disciple of the "prince of darkness" the definitive grandmaster of deception ...

Download Black Magic, the "basic text" of the Temple of Set, and note its insistence upon the highest standard of personal ethics.

Im sorry Mr Aquino, you are a very enigmatic person.

Actually I'm not at all. In my various ebooks I've been very frank and open concerning my interests, actions, and motives. I confess to being a very curious person concerning the mysteries of both myself and the realities and functions of the external universe, and I never stop with canned ideologies, social indoctrination, or any other "curtain". When I learn something interesting, I share it with others to the extent it doesn't endanger me or my family. I hardly need say that there are many people who don't take kindly to their comforting illusions being burst.

corsair00
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John Alexander categorically denies that any alternative energy or antigravity research is being done. He says there is no UFO cover-up, there is no shadow government and there is no hidden agenda. His best friend, Michael Aquino, on the other hand, is saying that there ARE in fact covert operations working on antigravity craft and that they have been successful. That contradiction was the entire reason why I created the thread. The entire "disclosure" meme is that there is a shadow government with advanced technology that is not sharing said energy breakthroughs with a dying planet addicted to oil. That is the whole point, to all the morons on here starring eachother's ignorant posts while consistently overlooking the crucial facts. I can't help it that people are dumb about this subject - we can thank Aquino's PsyOps for that, perhaps...

Aquino was the one who references the Nazi Germany roots to antigravity research.

As for the rest of you - just nevermind. Watch your Ancient Aliens with a stiffy and forget about it...

Nice to see someone else able to clock John Alexander, corsair00 !

Have you followed his Ask Me Anything thread? It amazes me that so few people are able to see right through this guy. Most seem like starry-eyed groupies lapping up everything he says, because of all his credentials. As if credentials make a man honest... LOL

I had never heard of the guy. UFO and secret technology theories are interesting to me, but the vast amount of information one has to go through in order to get any kind of grasp on all of it is just not worth it to me.

But following his AMA thread, it is ridiculously plain as day that this guy has an agenda. I gave him a chance, and had a mini debate with him in his thread, on another subject. His arguments are pathetic, to say the least. In his OP, he mentioned witnessing 2 things while with a shaman that "could not happen", without saying what those were. Later on in the thread, someone asked him to elaborate. The 2 impossible things he witnessed went something like this (I'm not going to bother to search his thread for the exact words, but my memory is pretty keen, so this will be close enough):

1. Marble-sized balls seemed to suddenly fall from the shaman, out of nowhere. Of course J Alexander suspected that he had them hidden in his hands, but from the amazement of the onlookers, who had known him for a long time, he figured that they had never seen the shaman do this before, so it must have been real..

LOL !!!

2. J Alexander and his companions one day found a shiny 50 cent Australian coin in their tent. This was obviously impossible to him because they completely shook out their tents every day......

LOL !!!

So I also understand your frustration here.

maquino

Download Black Magic, the "basic text" of the Temple of Set, and note its insistence upon the highest standard of personal ethics.

I started reading it last week. Both intro chapters speak to me on a level that is quite remarkable.
Only a couple months ago I had an "epiphany" regarding the whole "if god made the universe, who made god?" paradox.


In the beginning there was the void, the void was broken by a thought as the consciousness that was the void became aware of itself. Being alone in the void, the consciousness imagined all that is and all that will be, and thus the material universe exploded into "existence".

I came to the conclusion that the "material(objective) universe" is a product of the "spiritual(subjective) universe", the spiritual universe is the god conscousness(regardless of its name), and the material universe is its creation and is essentially itself, experiencing itself (subjectively) in a tangible and infinitely diverse way, both physically and spiritually. We are each a "subjective" spirit on a material and spiritual journey to undertstand "myself" in a holographic(each smaller piece of a broken holographic image showing the whole image), or maybe along the lines of fractals, type of way.

This of course is simply an imagined scenario I debated in my own head. But it seems that the intro to Black Magic resonates with that "epiphany" very strongly. At least to me, I may not have explained it as well as Id liked.

I hardly need say that there are many people who don't take kindly to their comforting illusions being burst.

I know thats the truth.

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I was more frustrated at that time because after starting this thread about MindWar, the first several people jumped on to say that it was all just an effort to sell books - which bothered me, because that had nothing really to do with the information I was trying to share. I don't want to step on anybody's toes regarding the UFO topic. I have reason to believe that Alexander and Greer are at odds with each other in the worst way, and I am more interested in trying to bring opposites together to meet half way. I really believe in that sort of yin/yang principle. Both Alexander and Greer, for example, are spiritual and know about the larger reality concerning consciousness. I think Alexander has gone further, in that he has actually acknowledged and researched various indigenous peoples and their shamanism. Whereas Dr. Greer is strictly into Puja and meditation and speaks negatively about psychedelic sacraments. That only makes Greer's efforts more cultish, and the world needs unity - not exclusivity.

Of course, there probably are large-scale military agendas at work here, but their business has always been secret and usually devoted to National Security and protecting their country and people. So we could surmise that they are actually up to something that is good and helpful. Or if there is some nefarious deeds in the mix, I would assume they have their reasons - but I honestly have no idea what is really going on at those higher levels.

I personally only have altruistic intentions here, and although I would like to believe that a new science or technology could emerge and be introduced into humanity to help transition all of us off oil and the current geopolitical nightmare we face, there are those who say such alternatives do not exist and that we are "FUBAR". Alexander submits the latter, Greer submits the former. A plan may be in place to eventually lead to implementing real solutions, but many would argue that this will only happen after a sufficient culling of the world's overpopulation occurs.

soulwaxer
Quoting corsair00
John Alexander categorically denies that any alternative energy or antigravity research is being done. He says there is no UFO cover-up, there is no shadow government and there is no hidden agenda. His best friend, Michael Aquino, on the other hand, is saying that there ARE in fact covert operations working on antigravity craft and that they have been successful. That contradiction was the entire reason why I created the thread.

Let's clarify what I said about antigravity research, in the following extract from my review of Alexander's UFO book:

The story begins in Nazi Germany (where else?), wherein first the Luftwaffe and later the SS sponsored a number of capers into experimental technologies. The most [in]famous and successful of these were of course the V1 & V2 guided missiles. Less well-known but quite verified were the breakthrough jet and rocket fighter aircraft, the ME-262 and ME-163. Secret to the point of legend was a program entitled “the Bell”, whose purpose was to develop a new propulsion system based upon reaction to the Earth’s gravitational and magnetic fields by a twin-counterrotating gyroscope spinning at speeds so extreme as to require specially-developed liquid coolant, somewhat similar to that required by Cray supercomputers. Hence the “Bell” was not an antigravity device per se, but rather one which overcame gravity through generation of a powerful gyroscopic field. The intended eventual application of this system was an aircraft engine utilizing this same "plasma torus" principle, which would have required a circular vehicle to house the centrifuge, and of course - since it would be gyroscopically-driven - neither wings nor tail: a “flying saucer” capable of tremendous speeds and instantaneous direction-changes. Just coincidentally the Germans happened to be working on several such saucer designs before V-E Day brought all this to a halt.

Yet another German research project had to do with long-range disruption of enemy aircraft electronics.[Cf. U.S. Arny Air Forces, Luftwaffe Secret Technology, extract in Nick Cook, The Hunt for Zero Point (NY: Broadway, 2001), pages #70-71.] And so we have neatly punched the tickets of all of the elements of John Alexander’s confirmed sightings and instrument detections/disruptions.

Following V-E Day there was a mad scramble by the various Allies to gobble up as much German technology as they could find, even if they didn’t yet know what some of it was. The U.S.A. got the lion’s share through Operation Paperclip, most notably Wernher von Braun and his V2s, but also such gonzo aircraft as the Horton 229 Flying Wing, leading to the American Northrop YB-49 and eventually to the B2 Stealth Bomber.

The German flying saucer technology went first to Canada, where in 1953 the Avro Company was revealed to have been working on a hopefully 1,500-mph saucer driven not by the Bell device but just a large VTOL conventionally-powered fan. After a few frustratingly-comic years of the poor Avrocar floundering around barely off the ground, Canada was only too happy to dump its flying saucer program on the United States in 1954, whereupon it was reenergized as Project Silver Bug. Its proposed Y2 saucer would be driven by a much more powerful radial-flow gas turbine (RFGT) engine, still absent the Bell technology. Project Silver Bug quietly faded from public view in the late 1950s, which is not the same thing as saying the fat lady sang over its grave.

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As I may have mentioned previously here, I have asked some friends in Germany who are experts in the history of the Third Reich to see what they can find out about the "Bell" project, which is still somewhere around the level of the Philadelphia Experiment in terms of verification.

Incidentally the PE is another of my investigatory interests. The U.S. Navy adamantly denies it, but let's just say there's still an awful lot of unexplained smoke. And for those who think that the entire concept of invisibility is a lot of hogwash, don't be too sure.

maquino
And for those who think that the entire concept of invisibility is a lot of hogwash, don't be too sure.

I think the most fascinating example of invisible UFO craft was documented by Mexican military planes equipped with FLIR cameras. Eleven Unidentified Flying Objects showed up on the FLIR system, and 9 were detected on radar - but NONE of them were seen by the naked eye. Invisible. It was so compelling, that the Mexican military approached one of Mexico's most well-known journalists and held a press conference to share the footage with the world.

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I'm sorry Mike however, you've lost me altogether on this post about Nazi technology. Fact, the first aircraft post war to utilise German design was the Avro Vulcan bomber, the designer has said so them self. The Avro "flying saucer" was the sole brain child of a British ex public school genius "Jack" Frost and had absolutely nothing to do with any Nazi project whatsoever, again this information is freely available. The Americans were so far behind the Brits when it came to air-frame design they had to ask for secret tests to see if the English Electric Lightning could intercept the U2, as they had nothing that could fill the role. The Horton sat totally forgotten in museum until 1963 when, because of the failure of the U2 the Americans decided to investigate stealth technology. By pure chance, a bunch of techs were visiting said museum when they saw the Horton and thought... oh wow.. Again this is fully detailed in the public theatre.

As for the "Nazi Bell", there isn't a shred of credible evidence to support its' existence and all the evidence that is offered, just so happened to appear after anyone who could argue from a position of genuine knowledge had died. The so called test site is the remains of a water tower that has an exact replica that still exists today some 80 miles away. The Nazi "UFO" was not only actually a form of helicopter, it was also built in the now Czech republic and was deemed a failure as the simple helicopter is cheaper, safer and more importantly, more efficient.

Oh and to add, Northrop were working on a "flying wing" years before the end of world war 2 again something which is public knowledge, it had nothing to do with Nazi design at all.

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I appreciate your post - but notice how Michael's is replete with links and references and yours is not? You could be right about your argument, but it mostly just sounds like a few random bits of information without any context or frame of reference. Therefore it seems convoluted and confusing to somebody who is not familiar with the subjects.